Ketsui X and Daioujou Black Label X - Ports for Xbox 360

RuffNEC · Post by **RuffNEC** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:36 pm

I've paid ca. 83$ for the DDP X360 import. (incl. shipping) do you think it's too much?

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:17 pm

So I wake up and see my Japanese friend's streaming DOJBLEX. It connected and I noticed he's browsing the leaderboards. I saw adversity in the list, along with my Japanese friend at rank #1 with 500 mill. Hahaha.

The kicker? He was using an Xbox 360 controller.

Talon · Post by **Talon** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:21 pm

I should get mine in the mail shortly. Just thinking about it makes me very excited

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:21 pm

Elixir wrote:The kicker? He was using an Xbox 360 controller.

Truly superior >_>

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:19 am

Elixir wrote:So I wake up and see my Japanese friend's streaming DOJBLEX. It connected and I noticed he's browsing the leaderboards. I saw adversity in the list, along with my Japanese friend at rank #1 with 500 mill. Hahaha.

The kicker? He was using an Xbox 360 controller.

Sweet, my 103 mil score got saved. Could've sworn I did that in 1p mode too...

Funny thing about that list, Mihara is currently #3 (mimimi san) with 153 million points.

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:33 am

Leaderboards are working now? Gotta give it a try today, been practicing a lot yesterday. Still an excellent game if you leave out the shitty loading times and menu controls.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:57 am

the online rankings for the ps2 white label version were up to over 2 billion (higher than even the bonus dvd

). i wonder what we'll see on the blex tables...

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:14 am

adversity1 wrote:
Elixir wrote:So I wake up and see my Japanese friend's streaming DOJBLEX. It connected and I noticed he's browsing the leaderboards. I saw adversity in the list, along with my Japanese friend at rank #1 with 500 mill. Hahaha.

The kicker? He was using an Xbox 360 controller.
Sweet, my 103 mil score got saved. Could've sworn I did that in 1p mode too...

Funny thing about that list, Mihara is currently #3 (mimimi san) with 153 million points.

Sweet, maybe I'll be able to beat your score eventually. What input are you using, by the way? The HRAP EX? I was thinking of getting one although I'm more dexterous with pads. Unless you're using a 360 pad in which case stop beasting.

Of course the DOJ DVD was relatively fresh (within a year or a few) of the game, so it's no surprise the PS2 rankings are higher now that people have had.. 6 years to work with it.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:04 am

Yeah I'm using an HRAP EX 2. Really wanted an SE but the damn thing sold out so quick...

HRAP has been ok on DOJ so far...but I find myself accidentally tap dodging into the second boss' tight patterns a bit. Frustrating. I get better accuracy at the arcade.

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:29 am

I am using the Otomedius stick for this one, which is more or less the same like those real arcade ones apart from the missing buttons and button layout.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:39 am

Otomedius stick is full Sanwa. The HRAP EX2 has Hori buttons; gotta get dem mods, adversity. The price of the Otomedius stick is ludicrous though. It's what, $300+?

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:23 am

Elixir wrote:Otomedius stick is full Sanwa. The HRAP EX2 has Hori buttons; gotta get dem mods, adversity. The price of the Otomedius stick is ludicrous though. It's what, $300+?

Oh see, even I didn't know what. Nice stick then apart from the rather limited button layout. Good enough for shmups, but useless for games like SFIV.

The stick bundled with the game was roughly 300$ or so yes. But I simply couldn't resist. :-/

moms dude · Post by **moms dude** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:10 am

@RuffNEC: Why haven´t you ordered it at Yesasia. There it´s 71.99$ with free shipping. And additionally at least for orders shipping to the UK and Germany it´s also tax-free.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:44 am

Elixir wrote:
adversity1 wrote:
Elixir wrote:So I wake up and see my Japanese friend's streaming DOJBLEX. It connected and I noticed he's browsing the leaderboards. I saw adversity in the list, along with my Japanese friend at rank #1 with 500 mill. Hahaha.

The kicker? He was using an Xbox 360 controller.
Sweet, my 103 mil score got saved. Could've sworn I did that in 1p mode too...

Funny thing about that list, Mihara is currently #3 (mimimi san) with 153 million points.
Sweet, maybe I'll be able to beat your score eventually. What input are you using, by the way? The HRAP EX? I was thinking of getting one although I'm more dexterous with pads. Unless you're using a 360 pad in which case stop beasting.

Of course the DOJ DVD was relatively fresh (within a year or a few) of the game, so it's no surprise the PS2 rankings are higher now that people have had.. 6 years to work with it.

the ps2 ranking page hasn't accepted new scores for years

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:40 pm

i watched a vid on nicovideo where someone fiddles around with this game and it looks like it runns really choppy?
the menus and everything is smooth but during the actual gameplay it almost looks like it skips frames every now and then ??

aside from that i think it looked allright actually, tons of options and stuff aswell.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:48 pm

I saw the video EOJ posted over at cave-stg.com and I think the menus look pretty slick actually. One of the most important things I noticed is that there's an option to turn the filter off.

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:15 pm

bcass wrote:I saw the video EOJ posted over at cave-stg.com and I think the menus look pretty slick actually. One of the most important things I noticed is that there's an option to turn the filter off.

Controls of the menu are just damn weird (which a video can't show). Nothing to worry about all too much, it's just confusing why you sometimes exit a menu with 'Start', sometimes with 'Select' and why for instance your config gets lost every time you play again.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:04 am

You know... I figured that Sakari would have already thousanded this game (you know... being his own release and all), but it would appear that he hasn't even gotten past the second stage.

originalz · Post by **originalz** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:53 am

I guess I'll pick up my copy today, I did a preorder at a store which comes with some bonus library cards, wild stuff. Should get Shooting Love tomorrow so this weekend will be all sorts of exciting.

It seems stupid as hell to have to unlock X mode, especially after 6 hours of playing. The whole idea is for it to be friendly to new players, but they can't access it until they spend a lot of time playing, likely frustrating time since you start with 0 extra credits. What a terrible idea...

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:36 am

For 'X mode' is it six hours of play time, or six hours of elapse time?

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:00 am

If it bothers you that much, use a turbo controller and leave it on overnight. (similar to what Sonic R is getting at I think, only it works for play time too)

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:04 am

What's the X Mode about?

I also hated the idea to start with just 1 single credit, but they fill up relatively fast. I played a couple of rounds and am already up to 3 or 4 credits now.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:37 am

originalz wrote:It seems stupid as hell to have to unlock X mode, especially after 6 hours of playing. The whole idea is for it to be friendly to new players, but they can't access it until they spend a lot of time playing, likely frustrating time since you start with 0 extra credits. What a terrible idea...

Actually you aren't constantly hypered, it's just that the hypers you get from bullet canceling are almost always allowing you to extend it. There's still room to die, patterns to dodge and chaining (until the next hyper) to do. It doesn't look like a complete walk in the park. At least, that's the impression I'm getting from this video.

ex.machina wrote:What's the X Mode about?

I also hated the idea to start with just 1 single credit, but they fill up relatively fast. I played a couple of rounds and am already up to 3 or 4 credits now.

X Mode basically has a more frequent number of hypers on the screen, a higher chain, and using two hypers lets you "bullet cancel" like Daifukkatsu. While doing this, bullets that you absorb end up adding to your chain's total, along with any ships you destroy. This gives me the feeling of extreme boss and ship milking, like in Galuda.

third_strike · Post by **third_strike** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:44 am

jpj wrote:the online rankings for the ps2 white label version were up to over 2 billion (higher than even the bonus dvd ). i wonder what we'll see on the blex tables...

Any link for table?
Cool!

originalz · Post by **originalz** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:02 am

Enhasa wrote:If it bothers you that much, use a turbo controller and leave it on overnight. (similar to what Sonic R is getting at I think, only it works for play time too)

I don't care about this at all, I see it more as a bonus mode that'll be fun to mess around with. If it was advertised as that, then I wouldn't have any problems. The thing is that they hyped it as some n00b-friendly mode, and the videos seem to support this by making the game easy and more fun for a new person, easing them into the insanity of the main game. This is a great idea since many people might be turned off by the difficulty of the main game, and an easier mode to mess around in and actually make progress in will help expand the audience.

This whole vision is pointless if you need to spend that much time to even access the mode, most casual players will get frustrated at being destroyed and might not even last 6 hours to unlock the mode. Besides, by then you're probably good enough at the game that an easier gametype won't give you as much benefit.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:59 am

X Mode is fanservice because Daifukkatsu isn't ported. It isn't meant for newbies.

Daioujou in general isn't meant for newbies. Maybe that's why Shooting Love 200X came out on the same day (and of course both are going to be overshadowed by Star Ocean 4).

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:16 am

Elixir wrote:and of course both are going to be overshadowed by Star Ocean 4.

Games like DDP or Shooting Love are so extreme fanware only, it doesn't matter much what other game is coming out on the same day.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:43 am

X-mode is advertised as 'flashier and easier' on the back of the case. I agree with originalz, the whole point was to have some stuff friendlier for beginners. Fact is that the game is massively unfriendly to beginners as it stands. Start, die on stage 2. No continue. Start again, ok a little later you get some continues. But are most beginners going to make it past 6 hours? Sketchy proposition IMO.

There's just no defending the ludicrous design choices made with this game. They got everything wrong except for the game itself.

Speaking of the game, just came back from the arcade to compare the two. First off, why are the arcade's graphics better than what I'm seeing at home?? Am I crazy? It's much smoother. Maybe it's my LCD? shrug...

Also confirmed that a Hori EX 2 is inferior to arcade Seimitsu. Scored 30 mil higher this time at the arcade. Sigh...time to mod my stick.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:47 am

adversity1 wrote:First off, why are the arcade's graphics better than what I'm seeing at home?? Am I crazy? It's much smoother. Maybe it's my LCD?

Probably lack of native resolution and the LCD.

adversity1 wrote:Also confirmed that a Hori EX 2 is inferior to arcade Seimitsu.

Of course.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:52 am

adversity1 wrote:Also confirmed that a Hori EX 2 is inferior to arcade Seimitsu. Scored 30 mil higher this time at the arcade. Sigh...time to mod my stick.

HRAP EX2's use common ground, so have fun with that.