What [not shmup] game are you playing now?

Anything from run & guns to modern RPGs, what else do you play?
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FinalBaton wrote:What took you so long? hehe
As soon as they show up on GOG I snatch them up.

Please tell me by Ys VIII they realized it's dumb to have block require TWO buttons when one of the buttons serves no other purpose.
7 uses entirely too many buttons to begin with, presenting a bit of a dilemma when trying to accomodate everything on a Saturn pad. As it happens, I assigned both guard buttons to one physical button.

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16:9 screen, doesn't work on Windows 2000, lame ;)
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still playing Commandos behind enemy lines
MISSION 19..1 more to go to beat the shit out of it lol

then i'll play Sonic Mania on pc
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Recore - Definitive Edition

Surprised they got around to adding stuff to this, I thought it completely flopped. Decent enough game originally, but a lot of bugs and the narrative ran out fast, replaced with "hurr durr collect shiny things to get to the final boss". Which is a shame as the exploration was fun, but ultimately lacked purpose.

In the update?
* New corebot, T8NK, used exclusively for unfun "chase the shiny ball" racing-like sequences and is hopeless in combat
* A new map area with story dungeons, disappointingly over in about 2 hours and adds little to the story
* New weapons, desperately shoehorned into weak "puzzles" in the new story dungeons and useless outside of that
* Extra side dungeons you won't know about unless you visit a specific old area for no other reason than "collect things!" (the new story does not direct you there) and thus have no reason to play them unless you want the achievements
* Faster loading within areas and fast travel direct from the map... but between area transition load times are still very very slow
* Moar bugs! Within the first hour I encounted a hard crash, lost the ability to use T8NK until I restarted the game, and ran into a boss that took no damage until I restarted the game

For newcomers, it's a bit more actual game and a bit less grindy. But it's not exactly a sizeable update and all the good story ideas are still tucked away in audio logs. Remains a massive missed opportunity.
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Just finished the Eternal Ring...
A game with...
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The magic-focused version of Kings Field, out on the very first days of the Playstation 2. That said, it is a slow paced first person RPG. Almost a dungeon crawler, although its more focused on exploration and item collecting. All about the atmosphere. Eternal Ring, and Kings Field in general, share many similarities with Shadowgate 64. The music, in special, have exactly the same style and probably the same synth. It was short like people told me, but I didnt mind for I dont have much time anyway. The only problem with the lenght is that you wont need to make many rings and the ring creation system is very fun. So, in the end...
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you fight against a mutant baby summoning bullshit-balls. And the story is a little silly
But it was fun and it is a pity that the main series is less focused on magic, which works really well on the first person. It is a nice choice for a first Kings Field game to beat, before the long ones.
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Final Fantasy III. I played it almost through the end 10 or so years ago but it was time for another playthrough.

What an amazing game, it truly is well thouht-out and a very fun experience. It's a better game than the first too (I personally love the first one, it's the most important game of my gaming life so I am biased towards it, but even I must admit that III is a good step up).

Obviously it's a different type of game with the class changes but I think the game is built around it very well. You always have MAJOR incentives for choosing new classes at precise moments of the story, so the class switching is rewarding. Ton of character/party possibilities to choose from, a very well done menu system for the time and great music. For someone who adores the graphics and playstyle of the FC/NES Final Fantasy games like me, this is a pure treasure
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FinalBaton wrote:Final Fantasy III. I played it almost through the end 10 or so years ago but it was time for another playthrough.

What an amazing game, it truly is well thouht-out and a very fun experience. It's a better game than the first too (I personally love the first one, it's the most important game of my gaming life so I am biased towards it, but even I must admit that III is a good step up).

Obviously it's a different type of game with the class changes but I think the game is built around it very well. You always have MAJOR incentives for choosing new classes at precise moments of the story, so the class switching is rewarding. Ton of character/party possibilities to choose from, a very well done menu system for the time and great music. For someone who adores the graphics and playstyle of the FC/NES Final Fantasy games like me, this is a pure treasure
Which version, FC original or DS remake?
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soprano1 wrote: Which version, FC original or DS remake?
FC original!
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I played the Steam version a couple of years back and wasn't particularly impressed. I prefer I and V really.
Maybe the version was a poor choice.

What's the ps1 anthology release like, anyone?
Hows the translation in this version also.
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Blinge wrote:I played the Steam version a couple of years back and wasn't particularly impressed. I prefer I and V really.
Maybe the version was a poor choice.

What's the ps1 anthology release like, anyone?
Hows the translation in this version also.
He meant the real III, not VI.
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I can't imagine Blinge would prefer FF1 to FF6. How does that even make sense? :3
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Sumez wrote:I can't imagine Blinge would prefer FF1 to FF6. How does that even make sense? :3
Shit, now i'm confused. Whatever.
Blinge, the PSOne Anthology version of IV, V and VI are not very good, too many loading times and slow menus.
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Oh my bad. I mean the proper numeration but for some reason i thought there was a killer disc with FFI through VI on PS1. :?
So there was never a III on ps1 then? Interesting.

Maybe i'd have preferred the FC version to steam though.
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Blinge wrote:Oh my bad. I mean the proper numeration but for some reason i thought there was a killer disc with FFI through VI on PS1. :?
So there was never a III on ps1 then? Interesting.

Maybe i'd have preferred the FC version to steam though.
I and II were remade and released as Origins on PSOne. They are good, imo.
III was remade on the DS. The FC original has a fan translation. AFAIK, the four characters are just Onion Knights there, unlike the three guys and the girl.
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FinalBaton wrote:FC original!
Welcome to the club! It's always a pleasure to see players in the Western hemisphere giving FFIII the recognition it deserves. The praise is especially welcome from a member as noteworthy as you.

I wouldn't recommend the DS remake, by the way. They messed around with some of the mechanics for no good reason. (Naturally, this applies to the Steam version as well.)
soprano1 wrote:Blinge, the PSOne Anthology version of IV, V and VI are not very good, too many loading times and slow menus.
FinalBaton would disagree.

If nothing else, they and Origins are pretty affordable these days.
Blinge wrote:So there was never a III on ps1 then? Interesting.
The Playstation releases are enhanced ports of the WonderSwan Color remakes. There were plans to remake FFIII on the WSC along with I and II, but they never came to fruition.
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Holy shit, that topic! :D
Thanks for reminding me.
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won't discussthe ps1 ports and ps1/psp+gba remakes at lenght, since there's the thread WelshMegalodon linked, but I'll quickly summarize my thoughts and then move along :

PS1
IV is great on ps1. load times are small and no slowdown. You get higher difficulty and some more items than the US retail SNES games too (basically you get the normal SFC jap version)
V : haven't played in a long while so can't comment. don't remember how it stacks up to translated rom and how much slowdown and load times there is.
VI is "okay". it's playable I guess... some slowdown in battles and load times are right on the edge of 'acceptable'. But they're damn close to falling in the 'unnaceptable' category
I : haven't played and probs won't (see PSP version)
II : haven't played and probs won't (see PSP version)
*note : Crono Trigger is unplayable on ps1. Five seconds of load time every time you get in and out of the menu makes this nothing short of hot trash.

GBA
I : haven't played and probs won't (see PSP version)
II : haven't played and probs won't (see PSP version)
III : haven't played

PSP
I is great. it looks better than the PSP and GBA one(and for those reasons I won't bother playing those two versions), and has the extra stuff from the GBA one. I think it looks beautiful apart from the in-combat character sprites, which I don't care much for.
II haven't tried yet, the character sprites are unbelievably atrocious, which turn me off. The game itself is also not my fave. Although in these newer remakes you don't loose attributes like in the FC original(thank god). Again, this one has the extra content of the GBA one with better visuals.
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Blinge wrote: So there was never a III on ps1 then?
This is correct
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V PSX translation is meme tier plus the load times suck balls
V on GBA is pretty solid but the script is full of cultural references and pretty different overall
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Bananamatic wrote:V PSX translation is meme tier plus the load times suck balls
V on GBA is pretty solid but the script is full of cultural references and pretty different overall
V Advance script is fun.
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Bananamatic wrote:V PSX translation is meme tier plus the load times suck balls
V on GBA is pretty solid but the script is full of cultural references and pretty different overall
that's good to know. I won't waste my time with the ps1 V then.
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Breath of the Wild (Wii U version)

I just entered the second dungeon: Divine Beast Vah Rudania. The game is absolutely incredible. Probably one of my favorite Zelda games of all time.
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Blinge wrote: So there was never a III on ps1 then? Interesting.
FF3 never came out in English until the DS version. There's no GBA version either.

I'll add my own thoughts to FinalBaton's on the remakes of FF games, even though I haven't played most:
PS1 ports of the SNES games: Avoid all of them. As people have already pointed out the added loading times makes them unbearable. The "hard mode" bonuses of FF4 are not worth it, considering the game received at least two remakes (for DS and PSP, bundled with After Years) which both did that and more.

Speaking of which, the DS version of FF4 is probably the hardest FF game I have ever played, and in a good way - you need employ a lot more strategy to win even random encounters than normally, and the bosses usually require you to make use of a good arsenal of supporting magic, apart from simply boosting attack, speed and defense. Grinding will only take you so far.
The voice acting also fits surprisingly well, and the graphics are serviceable, though I'm not a fan of DS 3D and would have prefered beautiful 2D sprites.

The DS version of FF3 looks comparable to FF4, but honestly I think primitive super-low polygon graphics like this leaves me with the exact same impression as (bad) NES graphics such as in the original game, and this somehow managed to feel more like a port to me than a remake. Considering it's the only legit English version of the game (I think the Steam version is the same?), I think it's worth playing. At least there are no downsides to this version that I can think of, even though I still would have preferred 2D graphics.

FF5 on GBA is really excellent. It has a post-game dungeon, greatly improved battle graphics (making it look a bit more like FF6), dialogue portraits using Amano artwork, two(?) new jobs, a run button, and a lot of other minor additions that just work well with the original game.

FF6 has similar additions, though it feels like less of an upgrade than FF5, as the original game looked much better in the first place. In fact the graphics look more visibly downgraded due to the lower resolution and bright color palette. Unfortunately I haven't spent much time with this, but my initial impressions are positive, even if I'd still consider the original SNES version the best version of this game.
It lets you run from the beginning of the game rather than waiting for the accessory that does it, also adds some more post-game stuff. But I think the most important addition is that it fixes the famous evade bug, that made that stat do absolutely nothing, and by extend also made the blind status effect completely pointless.
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FinalBaton wrote:won't discussthe ps1 ports and ps1/psp+gba remakes at lenght, since there's the thread WelshMegalodon linked, but I'll quickly summarize my thoughts and then move along :

I (PSX) : haven't played and probs won't (see PSP version)
I (GBA) : haven't played and probs won't (see PSP version)
I (PSP) is great. it looks better than the PSP and GBA one(and for those reasons I won't bother playing those two versions), and has the extra stuff from the GBA one. I think it looks beautiful apart from the in-combat character sprites, which I don't care much for.
PSX FF1 lacks the extra stuff, but has an option to play the game at difficulty closer to the original NES version. GBA version makes magic work like other FF games instead of it having a limited amount of uses. GBA version has no option for the original NES difficulty and is much easier. I also found the extra stuff to be more tedious than fun due to the lack of difficulty. I heard the PSP version also lacks the original NES difficulty.
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If "original difficulty" means constantly risking a random death to a bunch of Mindflayers due to bad luck and losing all progress, then I don't need it. :P
At least Dragon Quest has the decency to just set you back to a church with half your money. High enough stakes to take your battles seriously, but lenient enough to never feel unfair.
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Sumez wrote:The "hard mode" bonuses of FF4 are not worth it, considering the game received at least two remakes (for DS and PSP, bundled with After Years) which both did that and more.
There are two instances where the PS1 FFIV is really interesting :

-if you need the original graphics, and displayed on an SD crt as they should
-if you need a retail copy

This is my case, as I prefer by a wide margin to play that game with the original graphics (I played the game in 1991 and I cherish that version so much that I have barely any interest for the PSP one).

So for me, the PS1 version is very well worth it. It checks all the right boxes, and the hard mode is a very nice bonus, too.



But yes if you're not hell bent on the original graphics then the PSP one is great
It's a matter of preference really, both ports are excellent
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Resident Evil VII: Not overly impressed so far. Too many 'Simon Says' moments, where if you're not hiding in exactly the correct spot it's pretty much game over. Handgun is also astonishingly useless. I know it was like that in the originals, but these enemies are moving a hell of a lot faster. Atmosphere is all there, but gameplay wise it's just not clicking with me yet.

Tembo: Only played the first few levels but pretty good fun. Slightly annoying in that some levels won't let you backtrack to hunt for missing collectables, but seems pretty entertaining other than that.

The pile of shame for the PS4 is now some 40 games strong, but when something like the current sale crops up (games under £4.00), it's difficult to pass them up at just over the cost of a pint.
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Sumez wrote:If "original difficulty" means constantly risking a random death to a bunch of Mindflayers due to bad luck and losing all progress, then I don't need it. :P
FF1 on the PSX had a "memo save" function, which was basically a temp save until you turned off the console for those mindflayer wipe purposes, you still had to do dungeons in one sitting though.
Don't remember how bad the load times were but I thought it was way better than the GBA remakes which make the game way too damn easy (MP instead of spell uses, everything defaults to Easy mode on psx like shop costs, level up requirements, etc.)
Sumez wrote: Speaking of which, the DS version of FF4 is probably the hardest FF game I have ever played, and in a good way - you need employ a lot more strategy to win even random encounters than normally, and the bosses usually require you to make use of a good arsenal of supporting magic, apart from simply boosting attack, speed and defense. Grinding will only take you so far.
The voice acting also fits surprisingly well, and the graphics are serviceable, though I'm not a fan of DS 3D and would have prefered beautiful 2D sprites.
I thought it was pretty shit, the increased difficulty on bosses wasn't that bad and it was mostly just gimmicks that wipe your party in one shot if you don't know what to do and you level up much faster anyways. Plus the augment system was just terrible - you got the better ones by feeding the basic ones to temporary characters, which is something you'd never do on your own if you ever played the original and know the characters are temporary.
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Started Dragon Quest Monsters Caravan Hearts recently...game is okay but not as good as the first 2 DQM games.
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FinalBaton wrote: But yes if you're not hell bent on the original graphics then the PSP one is great
And if you aren't, the SNES version is still great :D
You can play the PS1 one if you want, but I don't think there's much to gain, especially considering how much better the DS version does that.
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Sumez wrote: And if you aren't, the SNES version is still great :D
You can play the PS1 one if you want, but I don't think there's much to gain, especially considering how much better the DS version does that.
ps1 version is a heck of a lot cheaper for a retail version than the SNES original though, which makes it very attractive
and the load times are low enough that I actually prefer it over the US SNES retail version due to the hard mode on PS1
I've played the PS1 version many times and it will continue to be my defacto retail version. If I come across a dirt cheap SNES copy I might pick it up, as it's of course a great choice, but I'm in no rush to pick one up. I doubt it'd see much more playtime than my PS1 copy, probably even play time

I don't like the character sprites on the PSP version at all

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