SNES (Super Nintendo) RGB Cable (for North American NTSC)

[c0dehunter]

Hello all,
I have a North American NTSC SNES console, and I would like to get a RGB SCART cable for it to be connected to my Sony PVM 20L5 RGB monitor. I was wondering if you could take a look at the following link, and tell me if it is going to work with my North American console or not, as it states that it is for the Japanese model:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SNES-SUPER-FAMI ... 1183892413

Is this really for a Japanese only SNES console then? Is there any difference between the two systems, as far as the connectors are concerned? If so, can you direct me to a link that has the North American SNES RGB SCART cable then?

Many thanks in advance!

[opt2not]

That's a Japanese SCART connection. There are two standards for SCART, Japan and Euro. You'll want the Euro version, because plugging in the wrong cable will most likely damage your hardware.

I ordered mine from retrogamingcables : http://www.retrogamingcables.com/super- ... -sale.html

[beharius]

I have the original Gamecube Euro Scart cable, $40 including shipping... It's compatible with the US SNES.

[c0dehunter]

OK, many thanks for letting me know.

One more quick question: do you know if the SNES game cartridges would work on Japanese SNES consoles and vise versa? Or do I have to buy a separate Japanese SNES system in order to play import games?

Thanks!

[beharius]

You need a converter(cartridge adapter) or widen the slot(dremel?)

[Richtr8]

On NTSC systems (USA, Canada & Japan) the games are all the same in terms of software region-locking, it's just that the USA/Canada SNES has two little tabs inside the cartridge slot that physically prevent Japanese games from being inserted due to a difference in cartridge shape. These tabs can be easily snapped out of an American/Canadian system to accommodate Japanese games & they'll run fine, but playing PAL (Europe, Australia, parts of mainland Asia) games requires you to fool the system's on-board lockout chip in some way.

Just do a quick google search for 'super famicom' & compare that to your SNES, I'm sure there's plenty of other places on the internet to learn the differences.

[Ed Oscuro]

A straight PCB connecting all the pins should work for all games. Game Genies work for some (not all) games, too, if you take them out of their housing.

[c0dehunter]

If I get a Japanese Super Famicom and the correct RGB SCART cable for it (the very first link that I posted), can it be hooked to my NTSC PVM monitor? I mean it is not PAL or anything, so it should work with N.A. NTSC PVM monitir, right? The NTSC Super Nintendo (SNES) systems are so ugly, and the other day I got a Super Wild Card Cartridge (16Mbit) which allows me to play imports and vise. versa (or so I think). Please correct me if I am wrong here.

[fagin]

AFAIK anything that ended up in the US (SCART wise), is wired for EU SCART config. The JAP config us for JAP only and has nothing to do with NTSC.

[CkRtech]

Nothing really "ended up" in the US that was SCART. Also - Japanese systems are NTSC. Also - There is no such thing as Japanese "SCART." SCART is European.

You should be good to go with Japanese NTSC SFC cables to an NTSC monitor.

[opt2not]

Ah, yeah, I guess using NTSC to describe what we have here regarding SCART is a misnomer.
And SCART is the connector, we know that, but the pinout is NOT the same.

Here's the pinout for both EU and JAP SCART:

[c0dehunter]

My systems:

PVM: NTSC
Super Famicon: JAPAN
SCART: ? --> Which SCART? The US version or the Japanese version? I am confused?

[Fudoh]

Let's be clear on one thing: the ebay link posted above is the most misleading offer ever. It's been posted a number of times before and I think even today nobody can tell, wether he's selling a EU-Scart or a JP21 cable.

@c0dehunter: Your SFC/SNES is fine and so is your monitor. If your PVM has a Scart socket then you need a EU-Scart cable. If you got BNCs it depends on your adapter cable. It's likely female EU-Scart to BNC and not JP21 to BNC.

[c0dehunter]

Let's be clear on one thing: the ebay link posted above is the most misleading offer ever. It's been posted a number of times before and I think even today nobody can tell, wether he's selling a EU-Scart or a JP21 cable.

@c0dehunter: Your SFC/SNES is fine and so is your monitor. If your PVM has a Scart socket then you need a EU-Scart cable. If you got BNCs it depends on your adapter cable. It's likely female EU-Scart to BNC and not JP21 to BNC.

Thanks, my PVM is already connected to BNC to FEMALE SCART lead, which accepts a variety of consoles: my PS1, SATURN, GENESIS. The only concern that I have is to get which MALE Super Famicom to be connected to the FEMALE lead dangling from my Sony PVM.

Originally I posted this for a NTSC SNES, but since they are ugly as hell, and since that I have my Super Wild Card Cartridge adaptor that allows me to play US games on Japanese Super Famicom, I am thinking about buying a Super Famicom instead.

[darcagn]

Ah, yeah, I guess using NTSC to describe what we have here regarding SCART is a misnomer.
And SCART is the connector, we know that, but the pinout is NOT the same.

Here's the pinout for both EU and JAP SCART:

What he is trying to say is there is only one SCART pinout, which is the one you are referring to as "EU SCART." The Japanese standard is RGB21. It is incorrect to refer to the Japanese standard as "SCART."

[opt2not]

Ah, yeah, I guess using NTSC to describe what we have here regarding SCART is a misnomer.
And SCART is the connector, we know that, but the pinout is NOT the same.

Here's the pinout for both EU and JAP SCART:

What he is trying to say is there is only one SCART pinout, which is the one you are referring to as "EU SCART." The Japanese standard is RGB21. It is incorrect to refer to the Japanese standard as "SCART."

Ooooooh...I didn't know that. I've only heard it referred to as Japan SCART, because of the same connector. But I guess whoever put that in my head originally was also wrong. My bad! I will now try to refer it to RGB21 from now on...
Leave it to a North American to make that mix-up.

[evil_ash_xero]

I recommend not getting it from Retro Gaming Cables.

[TheDrifter363]

If you're looking for a scart or jp21/rgb21 cable how about getting it from retro console accessories on ebay. They're really good and the cables appear to be high quality. Here's the link:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/retro_console_a ... pg=&_from=

I got a playstation/2/3 rgb21 cable with sync on luma and a snes sync on composite video cable. Though I sent it back to her and she said that she would change it to csync since snes contains a dedicated sync pin on the multi out. Tough if you want sync on csync make sure to request it or at least ask what type of sync is the cable using.

[c0dehunter]

I have purchased cables from her in the past (I am waiting for my SEGA Genesis RGB SCART to arrive), but she does NOT have any SNES cables in her store, as far as I can see.

I am still not sure what cable to get for my PVM, and Super Famicom system:

My adapter cable, connected to my PVM, is a FEMALE EU-Scart to BNC (and not JP21 to BNC), so which cable do I need to order please? (please provide the link)

Thanks!

[Fudoh]

but she does NOT have any SNES cables in her store, as far as I can see.

she usually does. Probably just sold out for the moment. I would prefer to wait a week or two for restock before buying somewhere else (especially since you're in the US).

[beharius]

This is the one you need, official Nintendo scart cable for GC, it works with your NTSC system too.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48137857@N06/12968163965/

One on the right... The other is a VGA cable for the GC....

$40 including shipping to anywhere on the planet.

This cable provides far better picture and sound quality than those $3 ones...

[fagin]

Nothing really "ended up" in the US that was SCART. Also - Japanese systems are NTSC. Also - There is no such thing as Japanese "SCART." SCART is European.

You should be good to go with Japanese NTSC SFC cables to an NTSC monitor.

Most people I know or seen conversation about, have referred to TV's imported from the EU. That's not to say that JAP21 TV's haven't been imported, but most conversation appears to be around importation of EU versions - hence my comment. I'm aware that neither input types were officially available in the US, normally using component in it's place.

I know that JAP systems are NTSC, but that has nothing to do with JP21 or the ability for nearly all EU SCART enabled devices to accept a NTSC 60hz RGB signal (that was what I was alluding to, although perhaps not clearly stated).

When you come from the EU you'll end up referring to the "connector" as being SCART, rightly or wrongly. Differentiated by the way it's wired. Be that for EU or JAP. If you want to be 100% exact with the terminology of course you're correct.

[evil_ash_xero]

but she does NOT have any SNES cables in her store, as far as I can see.

she usually does. Probably just sold out for the moment. I would prefer to wait a week or two for restock before buying somewhere else (especially since you're in the US).

She's been out of stock for a while. Having problems with her supplier.

I was able to get her to make one for me, from some spares she had. But overall, she's kind of out.

[TheDrifter363]

Damn that sucks. Especially considering I just bought a cable from her roughly two months ago. I sent her a cable to get it modded for csync since I didn't want sync on composite video. I hope she'll have it back in stock since I may eventually get more for n64 and maybe nes if I could source an av multi out. I'd feel bad taking one from a snes.

[evil_ash_xero]

Damn that sucks. Especially considering I just bought a cable from her roughly two months ago. I sent her a cable to get it modded for csync since I didn't want sync on composite video. I hope she'll have it back in stock since I may eventually get more for n64 and maybe nes if I could source an av multi out. I'd feel bad taking one from a snes.

She mods cables?

[c0dehunter]

I just realized that I happen to have an official Nintendo component GameCube cable! Would that work as an RGB too?

(I will order a normal RGB SCART anyways, since although I don't have a SCART source selector, it is much easier to plug into the female end of my RGB cable dangling from my Sony PVM, rather than connecting and disconnecting the BNC connectors)

[Ed Oscuro]

The GameCube Component cable plugs into the digital port of a GameCube, and has a digital-to-analog converter inside. So basically, no.

I've tried using a PS2 component cable (SCPH-10490), which is much simplified (purely analog as far as I know over the GameCube cable, to send RGB to a PVM 20L5. No dice.

[TheDrifter363]

Damn that sucks. Especially considering I just bought a cable from her roughly two months ago. I sent her a cable to get it modded for csync since I didn't want sync on composite video. I hope she'll have it back in stock since I may eventually get more for n64 and maybe nes if I could source an av multi out. I'd feel bad taking one from a snes.

She mods cables?

I bought a cable from her and found out it had composite video as sync. I asked her if she could change it to csync since I wasn't satisfied and she said sure. I mailed her the cable and she took care of it. Just tried it out today and it works great. Wired for csync and everything.

[c0dehunter]

Wired for csync and everything.

Is this something that I need to specify when I order my cable for my Super Famicom? Or will she automatically implement this?

[ApolloBoy]

Wired for csync and everything.

Is this something that I need to specify when I order my cable for my Super Famicom? Or will she automatically implement this?

She offers both types of cables on eBay so that's not necessary.