Super Mario 3D World

[Obiwanshinobi]

Galaxy also got 9s and 10s all around. I have not been hoping to learn something of relevance from those reviews.

[Skykid]

Galaxy also got 9s and 10s all around. I have not been hoping to learn something of relevance from those reviews.

Are you suggesting it doesn't deserve the praise? What would you recommend, a high six?

[replayme]

2nd hand, buy for the game, resell after.

You know... I didn't even think of this. Thanks for the advice...

[Obiwanshinobi]

What would you recommend, a high six?

I haven't finished Galaxy, but would rate what I found 7 out of 10 at best. The stage where I was supposed to use Wiimote as a pretend analogue joystick, B facing he screen, A (that I was supposed to press) facing me at that, for the sake of ball-rolling - on the same console where I play Super Monkey Ball 1&2, Kororinpa and Metroid Prime - gets 1 out of 10.
All bossfights so far blew, speedrunning blew (we're talking Mario for crying out loud; noblesse oblige I say) and the most interesting stage yet (something-Beach-something) would be more playable if I could control the camera in TPP view with either analogue stick or Wiimote.

[cools]

2nd hand, buy for the game, resell after.

You know... I didn't even think of this. Thanks for the advice...

It's what I'll be doing at some point in future when I've exhausted the stuff on Wii I've got to play at the moment.

What would you recommend, a high six?

I haven't finished Galaxy, but would rate what I found 7 out of 10 at best. The stage where I was supposed to use Wiimote as a pretend analogue joystick, B facing he screen, A (that I was supposed to press) facing me at that, for the sake of ball-rolling - on the same console where I play Super Monkey Ball 1&2, Kororinpa and Metroid Prime - gets 1 out of 10.
All bossfights so far blew, speedrunning blew (we're talking Mario for crying out loud; noblesse oblige I say) and the most interesting stage yet (something-Beach-something) would be more playable if I could control the camera in TPP view with either analogue stick or Wiimote.

The stage(s) with the former control method gave me no issues whatsoever. They could've been done with the nunchuk but it was in no way detrimental to the game, and I'd argue the method chosen gave far finer control than the alternatives might have - no dead zone.

Bosses vary, there are some I found outrageously frustrating due to the camera, but none are a meh. A good percent of the speedrunnning levels are hit and miss - they're definitely a downside to the game.

I'd give it a 9. Yet to play SMG2 though.

[replayme]

2nd hand, buy for the game, resell after.

You know... I didn't even think of this. Thanks for the advice...

It's what I'll be doing at some point in future when I've exhausted the stuff on Wii I've got to play at the moment.

What would you recommend, a high six?

I haven't finished Galaxy, but would rate what I found 7 out of 10 at best. The stage where I was supposed to use Wiimote as a pretend analogue joystick, B facing he screen, A (that I was supposed to press) facing me at that, for the sake of ball-rolling - on the same console where I play Super Monkey Ball 1&2, Kororinpa and Metroid Prime - gets 1 out of 10.
All bossfights so far blew, speedrunning blew (we're talking Mario for crying out loud; noblesse oblige I say) and the most interesting stage yet (something-Beach-something) would be more playable if I could control the camera in TPP view with either analogue stick or Wiimote.

The stage(s) with the former control method gave me no issues whatsoever. They could've been done with the nunchuk but it was in no way detrimental to the game, and I'd argue the method chosen gave far finer control than the alternatives might have - no dead zone.

Bosses vary, there are some I found outrageously frustrating due to the camera, but none are a meh. A good percent of the speedrunnning levels are hit and miss - they're definitely a downside to the game.

I'd give it a 9. Yet to play SMG2 though.

The second one is meant to be the "Galaxy" concept perfected.

[andykara2003]

What would you recommend, a high six?

I haven't finished Galaxy, but would rate what I found 7 out of 10 at best. The stage where I was supposed to use Wiimote as a pretend analogue joystick, B facing he screen, A (that I was supposed to press) facing me at that, for the sake of ball-rolling - on the same console where I play Super Monkey Ball 1&2, Kororinpa and Metroid Prime - gets 1 out of 10.
All bossfights so far blew, speedrunning blew (we're talking Mario for crying out loud; noblesse oblige I say) and the most interesting stage yet (something-Beach-something) would be more playable if I could control the camera in TPP view with either analogue stick or Wiimote.

I was blown away by both galaxies - they're amongst the very few highest ranked games of all time - of any genre. Wildly inventive.

[Obiwanshinobi]

The stage(s) with the former control method gave me no issues whatsoever. They could've been done with the nunchuk but it was in no way detrimental to the game, and I'd argue the method chosen gave far finer control than the alternatives might have - no dead zone.

Then you need to play the original Super Monkey Ball with a well-maintained GameCube controller, then play Kororinpa*), then just about any game where analogue joystick is the "native" controller (such as flight sims) with said joystick (a hint - your hand will be positioned differently than Galaxy demands of you and the foundation will be steady).

*) Preferably on split-screen with someone.

I was blown away by both galaxies - they're amongst the very few highest ranked games of all time - of any genre. Wildly inventive.

What other 3D platformers have you played?

[andykara2003]

What other 3D platformers have you played?

Too many to list. It's my absolute favourite genre and I've played a heck of a lot on various platforms. I started playing platformers in general in 1981 and haven't stopped since The galaxies are in my top 3 or 4.

[Obiwanshinobi]

Too many to list.

I don't believe you.

I started playing platformers in general in 1981 and haven't stopped since

Isn't saying much is it? The first 3D platformer I know of would be I, Robot and that came out in 1983.

[andykara2003]

Too many to list.

I don't believe you.

I guess I've been playing games a little longer than you

[cools]

Then you need to play the original Super Monkey Ball with a well-maintained GameCube controller, then play Kororinpa*), then just about any game where analogue joystick is the "native" controller (such as flight sims) with said joystick (a hint - your hand will be positioned differently than Galaxy demands of you and the foundation will be steady).

I cleared SMB back on the GC and would argue that it was over-sensitive.

My dislike of motion control is fairly general, yet I found nothing to complain about with the sections you've highlighted. They were perfectly comfortable and steady to play with - though I did have to sit up straight rather than slouch on the sofa to play them.

[Obiwanshinobi]

I cleared SMB back on the GC and would argue that it was over-sensitive.

What modes and difficulty levels did you clear?

My dislike of motion control is fairly general, yet I found nothing to complain about with the sections you've highlighted. They were perfectly comfortable and steady to play with - though I did have to sit up straight rather than slouch on the sofa to play them.

Did you like it any better than Kororinpa?

I guess I've been playing games a little longer than you

I think you are not being very specific.

[andykara2003]

My dislike of motion control is fairly general, yet I found nothing to complain about with the sections you've highlighted. They were perfectly comfortable and steady to play with - though I did have to sit up straight rather than slouch on the sofa to play them.

I'm not keen on motion control in general - but the Galaxies were amongst the few games that really got it right. As you say, super monkey ball's controls were fantastic - a real showcase for the Gamecube analogue stick's precision & accuracy.

[cools]

I cleared SMB back on the GC and would argue that it was over-sensitive.

What modes and difficulty levels did you clear?

My dislike of motion control is fairly general, yet I found nothing to complain about with the sections you've highlighted. They were perfectly comfortable and steady to play with - though I did have to sit up straight rather than slouch on the sofa to play them.

Did you like it any better than Kororinpa?

Everything except for the Master levels.

I've not played Kororinpa. It looks like you're controlling the level rather than a character?

EDIT: Now I remember it - Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz's controls were dreadful, I didn't put much time into that one at all.

[Obiwanshinobi]

I've not played Kororinpa.

Then you should.

It looks like you're controlling the level rather than a character?

Yes and it's true about Super Monkey Ball as well. You tilt the platforms in both. Camera makes the difference and you collect items to open gate to the next stage rather than for points. Falling only sends you back to the stage's beginning so the game is more forgiving (unlike Super Monkey Ball it doesn't have coin-op origins). Plays more like a racer than Super Monkey Ball, but the controls are equally solid. (There are some other substantial differences, but those deserve to be discovered personally.)

[Skykid]

What would you recommend, a high six?

I haven't finished Galaxy, but would rate what I found 7 out of 10 at best.

Don't go changing.

[Drum]

I really liked the SMG games, but I think some of his criticisms are legit. It's not as interesting to speedrun as something like 64 or the 2d games. But there are some really great tricks you can do that they just don't have which I think are only just beginning to be taken advantage of.

EDIT: I liked the ball levels, hated the manta ray levels - ew.

[louisg]

Why are we talking about Galaxy like it's a ball rolling game? That's like 5 minutes of the entire thing. You guys know it's mostly a platformer, right?

[Obiwanshinobi]

What's "inventive" about Galaxy's platforming?

[andykara2003]

What's "inventive" about Galaxy's platforming?

Read just about any well respected review site - it'll all be in there. The sentiment is pretty well universal.

[alastair jack]

Why are we talking about Galaxy

[Obiwanshinobi]

Read just about any well respected review site - it'll all be in there.

What do you consider a "well respected review site"?

[andykara2003]

Read just about any well respected review site - it'll all be in there.

What do you consider a "well respected review site"?

There are many - this is something you'd have to look into yourself. If you're at all into videogames then you'll know. Edge magazine might be a good place to go first - one of the most respected publications in the industry. They gave Galaxy a 10, a very rare occurrence.

Either way this game is amongst the highest rated in general. Go to an aggregate website like metacritic or Gamerankings and you will see it near the top of the list of highest rated games of all time (on any platform). Actually it's number 1 on Gamerankings.

So you are obviously entitled to your opinion that Galaxy isn't a particularly great game and that it's not inventive, but know that you're in the minority on this one.

[Obiwanshinobi]

So you respect Edge. Any more?

[Skykid]

So you respect Edge. Any more?

No, not particularly, but based on your track record for bigging up the meidocre and failing to recognise the exceptional, I'd still take their opinion over yours.

[CMoon]

Personally hoping they make a galaxy 3 for the 3DS instead of dooming another high quality mario on a home console nobody is gonna buy.

[Obiwanshinobi]

It would certainly be interesting to see at least the Galaxy engine put to a further use, as well as Metroid: Other M engine.

[BulletMagnet]

Personally hoping they make a galaxy 3 for the 3DS instead of dooming another high quality mario on a home console nobody is gonna buy.

I dunno, plenty of people bought the Wii, and I can't imagine that very many Mario fans never got around to Sunshine (which is one of the very few Mario titles I have little to no affinity for, but that's another topic) or 64. I've got no data to support myself with, but I suspect that most people who would go out of their way to play a Mario game in the first place will at some point (legally, mostly) do so.

[Obiwanshinobi]

Brand loyallists buy the lot by definition. It would be, however, a shame if game that is not only Mario, but pretty good for a change (as 3D World looks to me) didn't find its way to broader audience it deserves.