FEZ is Boring, Buggy, Badly Designed Bullshit

[ptoing]

...but there's everything wrong with a game which derives so much from current-generation Japanese games and then has an author who dumps on them, behaving in such a rude way to a poor guy who saved up to travel to GDC...

Still nothing wrong with the game. It's just the creator you can have a problem with in this case. Hate the artist, not the art.

Re: voxels: I don't see why those aren't extremely optimizable. Off the top of my head, I guess I'd suggest making the core of each 3d tile a solid cube-like shape, and reducing 3d tiles in the distance to 2d textures.

It is not really voxels at all. They call it triles and it basically is 3D blocks which look like voxels, and the engine figures out the best way in which it can cut up the final levels into the least amount of quads.

[Friendly]

2nd hand opinion drivel that makes the haters look like idiots.

Seems to me like there is only one person in this thread who looks like an idiot...
You know, that one rude guy who is resorting to personal attacks and is calling everyone who dares to criticise a game he enjoys "haters" who only have 2d hand opinions.

[bcass]

2nd hand opinion drivel that makes the haters look like idiots.

Seems to me like there is only one person in this thread who looks like an idiot...
You know, that one rude guy who is resorting to personal attacks and is calling everyone who dares to criticise a game he enjoys "haters" who only have 2d hand opinions.

Hahaha. Irony levels approaching critical. Your posts in this thread have been amongst the most arrogant and ignorant, which in my book makes you no better than what you accuse Fish of. If you want to be a massive hypocrite then by all means feel free to be one, but don't cry wolf when people call you out on it.

[O. Van Bruce]

Isn't it already time to calm down? This isn't the best way to have a debate.

[louisg]

...but there's everything wrong with a game which derives so much from current-generation Japanese games and then has an author who dumps on them, behaving in such a rude way to a poor guy who saved up to travel to GDC...

Still nothing wrong with the game. It's just the creator you can have a problem with in this case. Hate the artist, not the art.

I do mostly agree with that sentiment. I like Guns n' Roses as a band quite a lot, but seriously disagree with Axl's offensive behavior (and, on occasion, his lyrics).

But also, I need to say I'm not a huge believer in auteur theory. When I follow movie directors, it seems like the group of people they surround themselves with is at least as important as the director him/herself. Sure, every now and then you get a genius, but for every actual genius are a bunch of people who are merely very lucky.

And I actually don't have much of a problem Fez's creative group as a whole-- Rich seems like a cool guy (and, speaking of atmosphere, was a HUGE contributor to Fez's overall feel), and I have no particular beef with the coder, aside from the game running a bit jittery. I also do think that artists can change the meaning or intent of a product with their behavior, or at least call attention to its shortcomings. Yes, the art stays the same, but the overall picture is clearer.

This is waaaaaay off topic, but let's take something like Passion of the Christ. There were a lot of claims made that the movie was antisemitic. I haven't seen the movie, but my impression was that it was somewhat arguable. Now, after Mel's crazed rants, what does it look like? Does it look the same? This is an extreme case, but I chose it to make a point about art and artists not being completely separate.

It is not really voxels at all. They call it triles and it basically is 3D blocks which look like voxels, and the engine figures out the best way in which it can cut up the final levels into the least amount of quads.

Right, I was going to mention that, but didn't. This is why my suggestions centered more around polygonal techniques and not around voxel/raycast techniques.

[Friendly]

Still nothing wrong with the game.

Actually, there are many things wrong with it. Start reading here: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 32#p787432
(The circle is now complete)

[Ed Oscuro]

If there is going to be some healing process, it looks like somebody other than Fish is going to be behind it, at least the way things stand now.

Oh my LOL. You need to go out for walk or something and get some perspective. You're taking this shit way too seriously. Get over yourself and move on. There are far bigger fish to fry in this world.

After flailing around with edits you still can't help but admit I'm right

p.s. I've spent a hell of a lot less time in this thread than you. Get outside and get a better savior.

[ptoing]

This is waaaaaay off topic, but let's take something like Passion of the Christ. There were a lot of claims made that the movie was antisemitic. I haven't seen the movie, but my impression was that it was somewhat arguable. Now, after Mel's crazed rants, what does it look like? Does it look the same? This is an extreme case, but I chose it to make a point about art and artists not being completely separate.

More offtopicness because I don't care:
If you look at early Christianity and how it developed, it got more and more antisemitic pretty fast, shifting the blame from the Romans to the Jews. And yeah, I seen the movie and it is very much on the side that the evil Jews were responsible more than anyone else for Jesus' death. I guess Mel is just a more hardcore Christian than most.

[bcass]

After flailing around with edits you still can't help but admit I'm right

LOL. I edited it to correct a couple of spelling errors.

[Ed Oscuro]

However you left in the error where you failed to make a point

[louisg]

Oh I just realized reading Friendly's post that I never finished Cave Story! That one was kinda decent. I really have no excuse

[ptoing]

Yeah, it is pretty good fun. And if you try to get to Hell and get the best ending it is pretty hard too near the end.

[bcass]

However you left in the error where you failed to make a point

I'll let that one go seeing as you put a smiley on the end.

[BIL]

[Casey120]

I'm starting to like him



Oh and ,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJXGHiWCAAA3sop.jpg

[O. Van Bruce]

I'm starting to like him



Oh and ,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJXGHiWCAAA3sop.jpg

Viral, viral EVERYWHERE! An staged tweet, an staged answer designed to get precisely THIS: people posting it on forums and other places to draw as much atention as possible.

[Specineff]

The Ed Wood of videogames.

[Casey120]

Viral, viral EVERYWHERE! An staged tweet, an staged answer designed to get precisely THIS: people posting it on forums and other places to draw as much atention as possible.

My God , he wants to rule the World !

[O. Van Bruce]

Viral, viral EVERYWHERE! An staged tweet, an staged answer designed to get precisely THIS: people posting it on forums and other places to draw as much atention as possible.

My God , he wants to rule the World !

It's not me, it's the power of DEL that manifest through me. I'm just his humble messenger.

[nasty_wolverine]

why the hell is this thread still open, someone shut it down already.
Fez is like a pretentious pop song, thats maybe popular now unmemorable in a few years, i want my classic rock back...
Bring back the old school linear castlevania back, now thats a platformer, or maybe megaman x series (with the hardcore Zero-melee action)
no fancy gimmick, no confusing shitty puzzles, straightup action platforming.
hell bring back old school run n guns like contra, metal slug...

[Friendly]

Well said. If you find Metroidvania acceptable, too, then I've got something for you: Guacamelee!
Now that game deserves some more attention; unfortunately its creators aren't attention whores who enjoy insulting people, and the game isn't laced with pseudo-artsy bullshit puzzles, which leaves little room for controversy.

[Moniker]

This is waaaaaay off topic, but let's take something like Passion of the Christ. There were a lot of claims made that the movie was antisemitic. I haven't seen the movie, but my impression was that it was somewhat arguable. Now, after Mel's crazed rants, what does it look like? Does it look the same? This is an extreme case, but I chose it to make a point about art and artists not being completely separate.

More offtopicness because I don't care:
If you look at early Christianity and how it developed, it got more and more antisemitic pretty fast, shifting the blame from the Romans to the Jews. And yeah, I seen the movie and it is very much on the side that the evil Jews were responsible more than anyone else for Jesus' death. I guess Mel is just a more hardcore Christian than most.

I don't remember The Passion all that well (and have no desire whatever to rewatch it.. I'd rather watch the Saw movies for that kind of thing), but as far as I recall, it's pretty much in line w/ the Gospels. A Jewish crowd, led by the high priests and Pharisees, condemn Jesus, whereupon the Romans execute him in horrorshow fashion. See, eg., John 18 & 19.

I personally find it harder to watch old Mel Gibson movies in light of his.. worldview. Although same goes for the Scientology crowd. (Beck and Giovanni Ribisi... really???) If Phil Fish is a Scientologist, that's a deal breaker right there.

[bcass]

How do you know most of the "artists" who made all your favourite albums aren't total cock ends? Chances are that most of them are. There's a saying along the lines of "never meet your idols", precisely because they almost always turn out to be complete dicks. I've certainly had first hand experience of this in my time. Fact is, fame or popularity of any sort usually taints an individuals persona.

[z0mbie90]

The Ed Wood of videogames.

Don't compare him to Ed Wood. Ed Wood was great

[louisg]

How do you know most of the "artists" who made all your favourite albums aren't total cock ends? Chances are that most of them are. There's a saying along the lines of "never meet your idols", precisely because they almost always turn out to be complete dicks. I've certainly had first hand experience of this in my time. Fact is, fame or popularity of any sort usually taints an individuals persona.

Can you really envision someone of Shigeru Miyamoto's stature telling people on Twitter to suck his dick? Did even John Romero do that? Look, there's no doubt that a lot of mainstream rock and rap stars that I like are complete jerks. But videogame devs? I dunno, man. That doesn't jibe with my experience. And this guy was acting like this before his first game even came out. There's a lot I want to say on the topic but I'll STFU before I make enemies.

BTW, many popular music stars often are fairly talentless compared to relative unknowns or local musicians... FYI The mainstream music industry just sells attitude most of the time.

[bcass]

I work in software development and I've met a lot of developers in my time and I can tell you for certain that there's no shortage of massive egos out there.

[Ed Oscuro]

People with egos? Well I never

I bet some are office rapists, even.

[bcass]

We're talking Super Egos here.

[ptoing]

I don't remember The Passion all that well (and have no desire whatever to rewatch it.. I'd rather watch the Saw movies for that kind of thing), but as far as I recall, it's pretty much in line w/ the Gospels. A Jewish crowd, led by the high priests and Pharisees, condemn Jesus, whereupon the Romans execute him in horrorshow fashion. See, eg., John 18 & 19.

There is somewhat of a development and things get generally more anti-jewish in the newer gospels. And there are also some non-canonical gospels and writings from the formative years of early Christianity that are way worse than anything that actually made it into the bible as far as this topic goes. "Jesus, Interrupted" by Bart Ehrman is a good read which touches on this as well. Gogo OFFTOPIC!

Also, Fish is not a scientologist

[louisg]

I work in software development and I've met a lot of developers in my time and I can tell you for certain that there's no shortage of massive egos out there.

Sure, there's definitely no shortage of egos, but this is a bit more extreme than just having a large ego and needing to be taken down a few pegs. IMO, at least. At the very least it's an unusually visible and repeatedly mean display of insecurities. I also guess I've been fairly lucky as far as dealing with fellow software engineers, and also probably lucky in terms of the musicians I meet as well. Not that I haven't dealt with some jerks in my lifetime!