CAVE Shooting Collection X360

[Rupert H]

They'd have to be really petty to go to those lengths to ensure the disc wasn't shared. And it sounds like more effort than it's worth.

If anything I would've thought the disc was a bit of fan reassurance that if XBL ever disappeared, owners of this package would forever have all the Black Labels they would ever need.

[Skykid]

Considering just how limited this collection is I can't see that many ppl willing to pass them around friends even if it's possible to do so.

Wat? Then they aren't friends then, are they. If I were buying this (which I'm not) I'd happily pass on anything, I don't care. Not going to be such an asshole as to tell a mate, "sorry, I paid for it, so I don't feel good about sharing. "

Rupert even tried to give me his entire Game & Watch collection once, free of charge, just for the hell of it. I had to politely decline, of course.

Also, the real trick to all of this is how 'limited' you really think the content is. I'd comfortably wager that this stuff will be fully accessible to anyone in years to come, one way or another.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Considering just how limited this collection is I can't see that many ppl willing to pass them around friends even if it's possible to do so.

Wat? Then they aren't friends then, are they. If I were buying this (which I'm not) I'd happily pass on anything, I don't care. Not going to be such an asshole as to tell a mate, "sorry, I paid for it, so I don't feel good about sharing. "

Rupert even tried to give me his entire Game & Watch collection once, free of charge, just for the hell of it. I had to politely decline, of course.

Also, the real trick to all of this is how 'limited' you really think the content is. I'd comfortably wager that this stuff will be fully accessible to anyone in years to come, one way or another.

I get your point and I'm sure some disks will get shared between friends but I doubt ppl will be loaning them to friends as much as say Mass Effect or Fallout 3. Probably not in big enough numbers to concern CAVE.

EDIT But then most ppl probably have friends who know to take care of other ppls games, not like the gamer friends I have, the games I've lent out always come back with tobacco and weed particles under the sleeve and in the case. (which makes me a skeptical bastard in the matter)

[hvx]

damn i can't wait til the 28th.

[Last_Dancer]

If I were buying this (which I'm not) I'd happily pass on anything, I don't care.

I bet many of those Collections will be sitting sealed in some sort of vitrine

[DrTrouserPlank]

I'm not sure where all this special "DLC disk" talk is coming from but unless there has been a solid announcement of this and that is what is causing all the hullabaloo, there isn't a chance in hell that the previously code-based DLC hosted on the MS servers will be released on a DVD in this boxset.

CAVE aren't going to go to the effort of compiling a disk and getting it certified when all the content they are offering in this bundle is already distributable to them by simply printing a couple of sheets of codes and stuffing them in the package.

Sorry to burst people's bubbles but I think it needs to be said (once again) unless I have missed something there is no way in hell there will be a DLC disk. It's the same reason they are not providing Goo-wang in disk form but rather via a code.

Pre-release bonuses were nice, and as the owner of several unused limited edition codes etc I can say that whilst it is nice to have them, I wish they had been timed and that people who bought the standard edition were able to access these other versions of the game they bought for free... maybe (say) 6-9 months after the game's release.

As much as some people are evidently wankers here and really don't deserve any goodwill from me or anyone else; I don't come from the mindset of hoarding this content and locking it away from other enthusiasts of the genre so that it can be resold at obscene prices later down the line.

[Thjodbjorn]

I'm not sure where all this special "DLC disk" talk is coming from but unless there has been a solid announcement of this and that is what is causing all the hullabaloo, there isn't a chance in hell that the previously code-based DLC hosted on the MS servers will be released on a DVD in this boxset.

CAVE aren't going to go to the effort of compiling a disk and getting it certified when all the content they are offering in this bundle is already distributable to them by simply printing a couple of sheets of codes and stuffing them in the package.

Sorry to burst people's bubbles but I think it needs to be said (once again) unless I have missed something there is no way in hell there will be a DLC disk. It's the same reason they are not providing Goo-wang in disk form but rather via a code.

Pre-release bonuses were nice, and as the owner of several unused limited edition codes etc I can say that whilst it is nice to have them, I wish they had been timed and that people who bought the standard edition were able to access these other versions of the game they bought for free... maybe (say) 6-9 months after the game's release.

As much as some people are evidently wankers here and really don't deserve any goodwill from me or anyone else; I don't come from the mindset of hoarding this content and locking it away from other enthusiasts of the genre so that it can be resold at obscene prices later down the line.

You have missed something.

http://tinyurl.com/c2bdtf5

It's right there in the product description, "DLC install disc", which is right after the Guwange code bit.

[Phellan Wolf]

There is something that I still don't get it. Why putting all dlc on a stand alone DVD but Guwange is left out of it.

[DrTrouserPlank]

Right the link means nothing to me of course (because I don't speak JP) and everything else is yaayaa.... I assume it somewhat promises DLC-on_Disk???

long-and-short... I hope everyone who wants this and who likes CAVE shmups finds their way to access through this release....

[Kollision]

There is something that I still don't get it. Why putting all dlc on a stand alone DVD but Guwange is left out of it.

I have always wondered about this myself since day one. Makes no sense, especially when you see so many collections being put out for games that were all originally DLC (such as the Capcom Digital Collection, for example).

[Thjodbjorn]

Right the link means nothing to me of course (because I don't speak JP) and everything else is yaayaa.... I assume it somewhat promises DLC-on_Disk???

It explicitly says "DLC Install Disc", yes. It is not something hinted at. If it means nothing to you, that would explain why it is something "you have missed".

[DrTrouserPlank]

Right the link means nothing to me of course (because I don't speak JP) and everything else is yaayaa.... I assume it somewhat promises DLC-on_Disk???

It explicitly says "DLC Install Disc", yes. It is not something hinted at. If it means nothing to you, that would explain why it is something "you have missed".

yeah yeah... fuckin' chill.

If this latest CAVE rehash of all the old titles is absolutely authoritative with respect of all the DLC , then I am happy for you.

No need to get snarky about it... I'm still surprised... but that's for another night.

[Thjodbjorn]

I apologize if you mistake my tone. You said "if I missed something", so I provided you with a source that people are using to get the idea that there was a DLC install disc. I got only a little snarky at the idea that not personally knowing a language is a huge barrier to finding out what that information is.

My skill is such that I couldn't tell you off hand what each of those DVDs were, but I'm aware of the tools to use to figure them out. ;p

[Aleksei]

I look forward to reading what you haphazardly and clumsily regurgitate.

What an asshole, why do you assume it will be poorly written? If I wrote it now it would be both clumsy and haphazardly but I'm going to do research first to verify my hypothesis; this is how university level papers are approached most of the time, in case you were curious. Go back to reading your 4th grade newspaper which I'm sure is always original, thorough, and reliable.

[HydrogLox]

Right the link means nothing to me of course (because I don't speak JP) and everything else is yaayaa.... I assume it somewhat promises DLC-on_Disk???

It explicitly says "DLC Install Disc", yes. It is not something hinted at. If it means nothing to you, that would explain why it is something "you have missed".

There is something that I still don't get it. Why putting all dlc on a stand alone DVD but Guwange is left out of it.

I have always wondered about this myself since day one. Makes no sense, especially when you see so many collections being put out for games that were all originally DLC (such as the Capcom Digital Collection, for example).

I hope for those who have spent their cash on this that they get what they are expecting. However that interpretation of "DLC install disc" is the "best case" scenario. However - what is the (admittedly unprecedented) "worst case" scenario that could be be called a "DLC install disk"?

1. A DVD-R or DVD+R could be called a "disk".
2. It could contain a program that is digitally signed by CAVE to enable it to run on a 360 that does the installing - "install disk".
3. The program contains all the DLC codes for that box. It downloads all the DLC tying it to the current user's XBL account and main console.
4. They had a volunteer intern burning these disks for each individual set.

More likely nightmare scenario:

1. A regular Xbox 360 print run DVD.
2. The CAVE digitally signed program contains the encrypted data for ALL the DLC code sets that were allocated for all the boxed sets.
3. You get one single code that you key in when you run the install (this could be your Guwange code!). Your entire DLC code set is now tied to your XBL account and main console.

Now a new complete DLC package with a single code would have been simpler (cheaper?) but could not be called a "DLC install disk".

[Battlesmurf]

I might have missed it, but as of right now, where is the best place to pre-order this?

[Phellan Wolf]

I might have missed it, but as of right now, where is the best place to pre-order this?

I gess it is an amazon.jp exclusive for now. However NCSX takes preorders too but not sure about it.

[DrTrouserPlank]

I apologize if you mistake my tone. You said "if I missed something", so I provided you with a source that people are using to get the idea that there was a DLC install disc. I got only a little snarky at the idea that not personally knowing a language is a huge barrier to finding out what that information is.

My skill is such that I couldn't tell you off hand what each of those DVDs were, but I'm aware of the tools to use to figure them out. ;p

Sorry about that. My response was over the top.

Not your fault. Just a combination of too much to drink last night and me being a dickhead.

[Stevas]

I agree, I'm not sure how ppl can be angry at CAVE for this, You get just about everything but SOJ and the kitchen sink for a price cheaper than the individual parts it's hardly gouging imo.

Um...

Infact I wish it wasn't a limited thing and there was enough copies to keep import stores stocked for years, as I'm still missing Mushi and the rest of the region locked games.

BINGO. Because...

As much as some people are evidently wankers here and really don't deserve any goodwill from me or anyone else; I don't come from the mindset of hoarding this content and locking it away from other enthusiasts of the genre so that it can be resold at obscene prices later down the line.

This.

Also:

I look forward to reading what you haphazardly and clumsily regurgitate.

What an asshole, why do you assume it will be poorly written? If I wrote it now it would be both clumsy and haphazardly but I'm going to do research first to verify my hypothesis; this is how university level papers are approached most of the time, in case you were curious. Go back to reading your 4th grade newspaper which I'm sure is always original, thorough, and reliable.

Well, maybe for the same reason you assumed I have no clue about business? See how that works? It's the internet, dear. None of us have any clue about any of the others, and only have the words in front of us to form any sort of opinion. In other words: I see someone come in after I have a moan about Cave's business practices with a post claiming that they're going to write a thesis on Cave's business practices - while claiming they're "tired of the bitching" - I'm pretty much certain to assume that they're not only having a pop, but they're also attempting to point out just how herpderp I've been.

If you still can't see how that assumption is reached from this... then I can't help you. And please, stop with the insults: you're just not very good at them.

I'm a cunt, ffs.

Get it right.

[ancestral-knowledge]

Considering just how limited this collection is I can't see that many ppl willing to pass them around friends even if it's possible to do so.

Wat? Then they aren't friends then, are they. If I were buying this (which I'm not) I'd happily pass on anything, I don't care. Not going to be such an asshole as to tell a mate, "sorry, I paid for it, so I don't feel good about sharing. "

Rupert even tried to give me his entire Game & Watch collection once, free of charge, just for the hell of it. I had to politely decline, of course.

Also, the real trick to all of this is how 'limited' you really think the content is. I'd comfortably wager that this stuff will be fully accessible to anyone in years to come, one way or another.

If you like i can send you the disk provided you send it back. Are you trustworthy?

[Skykid]

If you like i can send you the disk provided you send it back. Are you trustworthy?

Kind offer, but I'll just grab Rupe's at some point, he's local (well, sort of, I'm abroad at the moment.) No rush anyway, I've had all this shit for years.

[Aleksei]

I agree, I'm not sure how ppl can be angry at CAVE for this, You get just about everything but SOJ and the kitchen sink for a price cheaper than the individual parts it's hardly gouging imo.

Um...

Infact I wish it wasn't a limited thing and there was enough copies to keep import stores stocked for years, as I'm still missing Mushi and the rest of the region locked games.

BINGO. Because...

As much as some people are evidently wankers here and really don't deserve any goodwill from me or anyone else; I don't come from the mindset of hoarding this content and locking it away from other enthusiasts of the genre so that it can be resold at obscene prices later down the line.

This.

Also:

I look forward to reading what you haphazardly and clumsily regurgitate.

What an asshole, why do you assume it will be poorly written? If I wrote it now it would be both clumsy and haphazardly but I'm going to do research first to verify my hypothesis; this is how university level papers are approached most of the time, in case you were curious. Go back to reading your 4th grade newspaper which I'm sure is always original, thorough, and reliable.

Well, maybe for the same reason you assumed I have no clue about business? See how that works? It's the internet, dear. None of us have any clue about any of the others, and only have the words in front of us to form any sort of opinion. In other words: I see someone come in after I have a moan about Cave's business practices with a post claiming that they're going to write a thesis on Cave's business practices - while claiming they're "tired of the bitching" - I'm pretty much certain to assume that they're not only having a pop, but they're also attempting to point out just how herpderp I've been.

If you still can't see how that assumption is reached from this... then I can't help you. And please, stop with the insults: you're just not very good at them.

I'm a cunt, ffs.

Get it right.

I've seen many examples of this complaining, you just happen to be unlucky enough to read my post after I read yours and made my decision. Thanks for the compliment by the way, I'm proud not to be good at insulting people, as if it something to be proud of.

[hvx]

holy moly my order shipped. time to hurry up & wait

[CID]

^ Mine too. I got the shipped confirmation and credit charge about 18 hours ago. From Amazon to a middleman in Japan, then my way.

[Stevas]

I've seen many examples of this complaining, you just happen to be unlucky enough to read my post after I read yours and made my decision. Thanks for the compliment by the way, I'm proud not to be good at insulting people, as if it something to be proud of.

Look. The fact you're sick of people whining about it is actually besides the point. The main problem is that you:
a) rather dismissively implied that these people are not only whining, but also doing so from a point of view that is limited in business knowledge, and;
b) did this the very next post after mine, thereby implicitly including me in that subset of people.

In other words, regardless of how many times you've seen this sort of whining, you might as well have come in immediately after my post and said: "shut it retard, you know precisely right next to sweet fuck all about it".

Do you see now?

Anyway, even if you don't, I'm done trying to explain how these things work.

And no, it's not a compliment. I won't go into why; the fact you thought it was speaks volumes, though.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

I agree, I'm not sure how ppl can be angry at CAVE for this, You get just about everything but SOJ and the kitchen sink for a price cheaper than the individual parts it's hardly gouging imo.

Um...

Infact I wish it wasn't a limited thing and there was enough copies to keep import stores stocked for years, as I'm still missing Mushi and the rest of the region locked games.

BINGO. Because...

I don't hold it against CAVE for rereleasing their games, imo it's a tad hypocritical for someone to be mad over the resale value whilst begrudging CAVE from making money with their own IPs. All I expect them to do is to slap a yellow label on the rerelease to differentiate it from the original print run so not to completely crash the resale value and to keep them collectable.

[Stevas]

Okay, where exactly in that did I a) say I hold it against Cave for rereleasing their games, or b) begrudge them making money from their own IP? By all means, Cave, re-release like hell! (As long as it's region free.) Go fucking INSANE re-releasing shit! (Hey, Cave - babes - did I mention I want them too? As in: region free, please.) In fact, if anything, I'd be more than happy to see them flood the absolute shit out of the market with re-releases! (Regionfreecommentgoeshere).

(Joking aside - and just in case the exclamation marks above didn't give that away - I'm aware of the concept of supply and demand, thanks.)

For the record my gripes were that their stuff is region locked (usually without telling us whether they will or not), and that they seem to be proceeding down the road of re-releasing stuff in extremely limited runs (therefore encouraging the ebay hoardcunt scum to get involved even more than usual, while increasing the usual panic-buying that comes with this sort of shit).

That I'm not fully convinced that it wouldn't be quite straightforward to get some of their stuff on GOD isn't helping matters none - but then, I'll freely admit I'm not really too aware of what would be involved in this.

(Also for the record, I haven't yet pirated the "very fuck" out of any of their games; my earlier comment along those lines was more a sighed "when the day comes when it's easy and cheap for me to do so, I'm certainly not going to feel too bad about doing it")

Collectibility is a whole new argument, and one that pisses me off equally. If you're in this because you see the games as collectible (or, even worse - GNNNN - an "investment") - rather than, you know, just wanting to play the damn fucking games - then:
OPINION INVALIDATED

Sorry, I don't make the rules.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Ah my bad, I miss read you totally wrong.

Carry on then good sir!

[Trevor spencer]

This forum really has become a snore fest

[Jeneki]

A DVD-R or DVD+R could be called a "disk".

That would be a disc. Unless is comes on a floppy or something.