Osama Bin Laden is dead

[exquisite_torture]

Nixon was straight up gangster.

As were his handlers. Hitler's occultist bankers, remember? It really doesn't get more gangster than that.

[Ed Oscuro]

Masonic conspiracies

[exquisite_torture]

LIZARDS

[exquisite_torture]

Attempted fascist coup on Roosevelt white house

"The initial reaction in the press to Butler and French's revelations was one of barely concealed ridicule, with Butler painted as a publicity-hungry glory hound, with the New York Times calling it “a gigantic hoax” and a “bald and unconvincing narrative.” But once the committee concluded that it was “able to verify all the pertinent statements made by General Butler,” many journalists and politicians changed their tune, with Time declaring that “General Butler's story of a Fascist march on Washington was alarmingly true” and then-Speaker of the House John McCormack stating that “General Smedley Butler was one of the outstanding Americans in our history."

"7 Insane Conspiracies That Actually Happened" (#7)

CNN "Prescott Bush Stole Geronimo's Bones" Hallo

[DEL]

Ed Oscuro wrote;

Well, for starters, you've got Nixon's character completely backwards. He's just letting Bush touch him. Nixon was straight up gangster.

But putting all that aside, you've got to be pretty stupid if you think that none of these guys' silly designs on the country (and its Constitution) had been thwarted. We've not had anywhere near perfect success, but things haven't gotten anywhere as bad as Nazi Germany (or the Soviet Union, for that matter).

Yet.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Yes of course, I'm a proud conspiracy researcher. I always try to keep an open mind to everything I look at, all sides. I like to distill things down to basics. This makes things clearer.

"Conspiracy research" is the opposite of distilling things down to basics. You search for simple answers to complex questions and substitute analysis with conspiracy theories. It`s a folly of the highest order to believe that objective laws of history are controlled and altered by some secret societies that transcend time and exist practically in a vacuum irrespective of the changing material conditions around them.

Need a method of historical analysis? This is it. But if you rather be a dimwitted moron, then by all means continue to watch "documentaries" like the one you posted and believe that Hegel was a Freemason and that dialectic was conceived to aid the Illuminati in their goals.

[exquisite_torture]

Was the narcissistic ad-hominem attack necessary?

[adversity1]

Slightly old but relevant to the topic.

Abbottabad raid: Commission to present its report to PM soon
http://dawn.com/2012/12/17/abbottabad-r ... o-pm-soon/

ISLAMABAD: The commission investigating the killing of Osama bin Laden during a raid in Abbottabad last year will present its investigative report to Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf, DawnNews reported on Monday.

The report stated that Dr Shakeel Afridi had been paid $10,000 to provide United States intelligence agencies with information on the Al Qaeda chief’s whereabouts.

The report was compiled by the Abbottabad Commission after reviewing statements of 300 eyewitnesses and 3000 documents.

According to the report, bin Laden was living in the compound in Abbottabad from 2005 to 2011 and never left the compound. The report added that he watched Al-Jazeera TV in order to keep himself updated with Al Qaeda’s activities.

The commission’s report said that the bin Laden told his family to remain calm and recite the ‘Kalma Tayyaba’ during the operation.

The report also states that the American agency CIA had rewarded Dr Shakeel Afridi with $10,000 to help them find Bin Laden. Dr Afridi had attempted to gain access to the compound thrice but remained unsuccessful. But with the help of a colleague, Dr Amna, he managed to get the DNA of the children in bin Laden’s family on the pretext of hepatitis vaccinations. They matched voice samples of Osama’s wife as well.

Following the verification of the DNA tests, American authorities asked Dr Afridi to shift to the US.

The report added that the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) provided the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) with four telephone numbers belonging to Osama and all letters mailed at the address of the compound.

Interesting note about the DNA tests here. Looks this is yet another detail that Zero Dark Thirty either gets wrong or willfully falsifies.

http://dawn.com/2012/12/08/abbottabad-c ... a-killing/

Abbottabad Commission completes probe report on Osama killing
DAWN.COM | 8th December, 2012 6

Osama bin Laden. — File photo

KARACHI: The Abbottabad Commission has completed its report on the covert US military operation that led to the killing of Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad on May 2, 2011, DawnNews reported.

The commission is expected to submit the 700-page report to the government during this month.

Justice (retd) Javed Iqbal has been heading the probe into the circumstances under which Osama was killed. Other members of the commission include: Lt-Gen (retd) Nadeem Ahmed, former inspector general of police Abbas Khan and former ambassador Ashraf Jehangir Qazi, with Cabinet Division Secretary Nargis Sethi as its secretary. The ministry of interior was mandated to provide secretarial support to the commission.

The report includes written statements and statements under oaths from high-ranking civil and military officials as well as statements from the members of Osama’s family.

The statements reportedly affirm that the Al Qaeda chief was present in the compound at the time of the operation.

Moreover, the commission also states some 200 recommendations for the government.

The commission has kept parts of the report as classified and it would be left up to the government’s discretion as to whether or not those sections may be made public.

http://dawn.com/2012/05/25/bin-laden-wa ... errogator/

Bin Laden was Che Guevara fan, wife tells Pakistani interrogator
Reuters | 25th May, 2012 0

File photo from April 26, 2012 shows Pakistani police commandos guarding a house where the family of Osama bin Laden were detained, in Islamabad.—Photo by AP

ISLAMABAD: Osama bin Laden’s three wives were fiercely loyal to him and gave little away when they were interrogated after the al Qaeda chief was killed in a US raid over a year ago, a Pakistani intelligence agent who questioned them said.

The three women were arrested by Pakistani security forces after the Navy SEAL raid on bin Laden’s safe house in the town of Abbottabad, about 35 km from the capital Islamabad.

Slowly puffing on a cigarette in a rundown Islamabad villa as he described months of questioning the women, the agent said he struggled to glean any worthwhile information.

Yemeni-born Amal Al-Sadeh, the youngest of the three, was headstrong and showed fury when asked questions, while the others, Saudi citizens, expressed displeasure by mostly keeping silent behind their veils, the agent said.

All appeared to strongly support bin Laden, despite the militant’s long and bloody record of orchestrating violence across the world.

“They were all nostalgic whenever they talked about him,” said the intelligence agent, a slim man in a dark suit.

“I could sense Amal was always angry whenever I spoke with her,” he added. “She objected to being questioned and rarely gave away anything.”

But at times Amal was somewhat flexible.

“Amal once told me that she and bin Laden liked Che Guevara. She seemed like a rebel so I questioned her about Latin American leftists. I found her very interesting,” said the agent.

It was not possible to independently confirm his account.

Ernesto “Che” Guevara was an Argentine Marxist who was a major figure in the Cuban revolution. He was executed in Bolivia in 1967.

Amal, who was wounded in the raid that killed bin Laden, traveled to Afghanistan to marry bin Laden when she was 18 years old and he was in his early 40s, her father told Reuters in an interview in Yemen in 2011.

“The other wives didn’t say much. They were boring,” said the agent.

Pakistan deported bin Laden’s three widows and 11 children to Saudi Arabia last month. A Pakistani court had sentenced them to prison for entering Pakistan illegally and ordered their deportation after the end of their prison term.

The agent did not say whether other Pakistani or US officials questioned the women. He also did not give details on whether his questioning included anything about the night of the raid.

Based on his conversations, the agent said he concluded the al Qaeda leader lived in the country for about six or seven years, in two towns.

Empty-handed

The intelligence agent, who said he questioned the widows once a week, sometimes twice, recalls seeking information on whereabouts of other senior al Qaeda leaders, and coming up empty handed.

“I wanted to know if any others are in Pakistan,” he said.

“I wanted to know about Zawahri,” he said, adding that he didn’t believe the former Egyptian doctor and current al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri was in the country.

Turning to information he said he had come across on al Qaeda over the years, the agent said he was convinced that Zawahri was running al Qaeda’s show in the region.

“Bin Laden was an inspirational figure for militants. It was Zawahri who was the main man. He was much more violent than bin Laden,” he said. “These are my conclusions”.

The intelligence agent said Pakistani authorities had retrieved some computers and cellphones from bin Laden’s Abbottabad home, but trying to make sense of coded Arabic language proved frustrating – with only a few clues on al Qaeda activities in Pakistan’s northwestern tribal areas.

The agent was non-committal about Pakistani doctor Shakil Afridi, who was sentenced to 33 years imprisonment by a court this week for running a fake vaccination campaign that helped the CIA pinpoint bin Laden’s location in Abbottabad.

“Discovering that Afridi was helping the CIA and arresting him was not a problem,” he said without elaborating.

But the agent, who was once stationed in Abbottabad while bin Laden was said to live there, only shrugged when asked how it was possible that the al Qaeda chief evaded capture in Pakistan for so long despite a global manhunt.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Was the narcissistic ad-hominem attack necessary?

Absolutely. I barely kept myself from using three more of them.

[Skykid]

Slightly old but relevant to the topic.

Abbottabad raid: Commission to present its report to PM soon
http://dawn.com/2012/12/17/abbottabad-r ... o-pm-soon/

ISLAMABAD: The commission investigating the killing of Osama bin Laden during a raid in Abbottabad last year will present its investigative report to Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf, DawnNews reported on Monday.

The report stated that Dr Shakeel Afridi had been paid $10,000 to provide United States intelligence agencies with information on the Al Qaeda chief’s whereabouts.

The report was compiled by the Abbottabad Commission after reviewing statements of 300 eyewitnesses and 3000 documents.

According to the report, bin Laden was living in the compound in Abbottabad from 2005 to 2011 and never left the compound. The report added that he watched Al-Jazeera TV in order to keep himself updated with Al Qaeda’s activities.

The commission’s report said that the bin Laden told his family to remain calm and recite the ‘Kalma Tayyaba’ during the operation.

The report also states that the American agency CIA had rewarded Dr Shakeel Afridi with $10,000 to help them find Bin Laden. Dr Afridi had attempted to gain access to the compound thrice but remained unsuccessful. But with the help of a colleague, Dr Amna, he managed to get the DNA of the children in bin Laden’s family on the pretext of hepatitis vaccinations. They matched voice samples of Osama’s wife as well.

Following the verification of the DNA tests, American authorities asked Dr Afridi to shift to the US.

The report added that the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) provided the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) with four telephone numbers belonging to Osama and all letters mailed at the address of the compound.

Interesting note about the DNA tests here. Looks this is yet another detail that Zero Dark Thirty either gets wrong or willfully falsifies.

http://dawn.com/2012/12/08/abbottabad-c ... a-killing/

Abbottabad Commission completes probe report on Osama killing
DAWN.COM | 8th December, 2012 6

Osama bin Laden. — File photo

KARACHI: The Abbottabad Commission has completed its report on the covert US military operation that led to the killing of Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad on May 2, 2011, DawnNews reported.

The commission is expected to submit the 700-page report to the government during this month.

Justice (retd) Javed Iqbal has been heading the probe into the circumstances under which Osama was killed. Other members of the commission include: Lt-Gen (retd) Nadeem Ahmed, former inspector general of police Abbas Khan and former ambassador Ashraf Jehangir Qazi, with Cabinet Division Secretary Nargis Sethi as its secretary. The ministry of interior was mandated to provide secretarial support to the commission.

The report includes written statements and statements under oaths from high-ranking civil and military officials as well as statements from the members of Osama’s family.

The statements reportedly affirm that the Al Qaeda chief was present in the compound at the time of the operation.

Moreover, the commission also states some 200 recommendations for the government.

The commission has kept parts of the report as classified and it would be left up to the government’s discretion as to whether or not those sections may be made public.

http://dawn.com/2012/05/25/bin-laden-wa ... errogator/

Bin Laden was Che Guevara fan, wife tells Pakistani interrogator
Reuters | 25th May, 2012 0

File photo from April 26, 2012 shows Pakistani police commandos guarding a house where the family of Osama bin Laden were detained, in Islamabad.—Photo by AP

ISLAMABAD: Osama bin Laden’s three wives were fiercely loyal to him and gave little away when they were interrogated after the al Qaeda chief was killed in a US raid over a year ago, a Pakistani intelligence agent who questioned them said.

The three women were arrested by Pakistani security forces after the Navy SEAL raid on bin Laden’s safe house in the town of Abbottabad, about 35 km from the capital Islamabad.

Slowly puffing on a cigarette in a rundown Islamabad villa as he described months of questioning the women, the agent said he struggled to glean any worthwhile information.

Yemeni-born Amal Al-Sadeh, the youngest of the three, was headstrong and showed fury when asked questions, while the others, Saudi citizens, expressed displeasure by mostly keeping silent behind their veils, the agent said.

All appeared to strongly support bin Laden, despite the militant’s long and bloody record of orchestrating violence across the world.

“They were all nostalgic whenever they talked about him,” said the intelligence agent, a slim man in a dark suit.

“I could sense Amal was always angry whenever I spoke with her,” he added. “She objected to being questioned and rarely gave away anything.”

But at times Amal was somewhat flexible.

“Amal once told me that she and bin Laden liked Che Guevara. She seemed like a rebel so I questioned her about Latin American leftists. I found her very interesting,” said the agent.

It was not possible to independently confirm his account.

Ernesto “Che” Guevara was an Argentine Marxist who was a major figure in the Cuban revolution. He was executed in Bolivia in 1967.

Amal, who was wounded in the raid that killed bin Laden, traveled to Afghanistan to marry bin Laden when she was 18 years old and he was in his early 40s, her father told Reuters in an interview in Yemen in 2011.

“The other wives didn’t say much. They were boring,” said the agent.

Pakistan deported bin Laden’s three widows and 11 children to Saudi Arabia last month. A Pakistani court had sentenced them to prison for entering Pakistan illegally and ordered their deportation after the end of their prison term.

The agent did not say whether other Pakistani or US officials questioned the women. He also did not give details on whether his questioning included anything about the night of the raid.

Based on his conversations, the agent said he concluded the al Qaeda leader lived in the country for about six or seven years, in two towns.

Empty-handed

The intelligence agent, who said he questioned the widows once a week, sometimes twice, recalls seeking information on whereabouts of other senior al Qaeda leaders, and coming up empty handed.

“I wanted to know if any others are in Pakistan,” he said.

“I wanted to know about Zawahri,” he said, adding that he didn’t believe the former Egyptian doctor and current al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri was in the country.

Turning to information he said he had come across on al Qaeda over the years, the agent said he was convinced that Zawahri was running al Qaeda’s show in the region.

“Bin Laden was an inspirational figure for militants. It was Zawahri who was the main man. He was much more violent than bin Laden,” he said. “These are my conclusions”.

The intelligence agent said Pakistani authorities had retrieved some computers and cellphones from bin Laden’s Abbottabad home, but trying to make sense of coded Arabic language proved frustrating – with only a few clues on al Qaeda activities in Pakistan’s northwestern tribal areas.

The agent was non-committal about Pakistani doctor Shakil Afridi, who was sentenced to 33 years imprisonment by a court this week for running a fake vaccination campaign that helped the CIA pinpoint bin Laden’s location in Abbottabad.

“Discovering that Afridi was helping the CIA and arresting him was not a problem,” he said without elaborating.

But the agent, who was once stationed in Abbottabad while bin Laden was said to live there, only shrugged when asked how it was possible that the al Qaeda chief evaded capture in Pakistan for so long despite a global manhunt.

Nice words.

[Ed Oscuro]

Yes of course, I'm a proud conspiracy researcher. I always try to keep an open mind to everything I look at, all sides. I like to distill things down to basics. This makes things clearer.

"Conspiracy research" is the opposite of distilling things down to basics. You search for simple answers to complex questions and substitute analysis with conspiracy theories. It`s a folly of the highest order to believe that objective laws of history are controlled and altered by some secret societies that transcend time and exist practically in a vacuum irrespective of the changing material conditions around them.

Need a method of historical analysis? This is it. But if you rather be a dimwitted moron, then by all means continue to watch "documentaries" like the one you posted and believe that Hegel was a Freemason and that dialectic was conceived to aid the Illuminati in their goals.

lol, this time I have to agree with you. I couldn't believe that exquisite_torture and DEL were serious though.

[exquisite_torture]

I said nothing that isn't backed with evidence, I even supplied the fucking evidence.
I couldn't give a fuck about Illuminatis, I'm interested in fascist crooks within our elites.

[Moniker]

Yes of course, I'm a proud conspiracy researcher. I always try to keep an open mind to everything I look at, all sides. I like to distill things down to basics. This makes things clearer.

"Conspiracy research" is the opposite of distilling things down to basics. You search for simple answers to complex questions and substitute analysis with conspiracy theories. It`s a folly of the highest order to believe that objective laws of history are controlled and altered by some secret societies that transcend time and exist practically in a vacuum irrespective of the changing material conditions around them.

Need a method of historical analysis? This is it. But if you rather be a dimwitted moron, then by all means continue to watch "documentaries" like the one you posted and believe that Hegel was a Freemason and that dialectic was conceived to aid the Illuminati in their goals.

lol, this time I have to agree with you. I couldn't believe that exquisite_torture and DEL were serious though.

Indeed. Healthy skepticism is one thing, but conspiracy theories tend to be the result of a hermeneutical failure on the part of the observer to reconcile complex data with rational systems of causes. This is not to claim that conspiracies never take place, but by their very nature such theories assume a level of historical isolation that is unsupportable and unrealistic. At best a guilty pleasure, at worst a dangerously sensational distraction from logical retrospective inquiry. History is too important to treat with such disrespect.

The danger is evident within this very forum just by counting references to "Zionists."

I said nothing that isn't backed with evidence, I even supplied the fucking evidence.
I couldn't give a fuck about Illuminatis, I'm interested in fascist crooks within our elites.

Such a hot reaction doesn't speak well of the quality of your pursuits.

[exquisite_torture]

Ah, a jew.

[Moniker]

Ah, a jew.

A swing and a miss. Ban plz.

[exquisite_torture]

Ban? Why? Suddenly irrational? That's familiar.

[Ed Oscuro]

I said nothing that isn't backed with evidence, I even supplied the fucking evidence.
I couldn't give a fuck about Illuminatis, I'm interested in fascist crooks within our elites.

Me too, but they tend to be more transparent than you give credit for

[mesh control]

Ban? Why? Suddenly irrational? That's familiar.

ban

[mesh control]

also: fuck you.

[exquisite_torture]

Fuck your eye.

[exquisite_torture]

I don't understand how you think that bollocks still washes with people. Am I Hitler too?

[evil_ash_xero]

You're gonna get banned man.

[trap15]

Ban? Why?

I think that's obvious:

Ah, a jew.

I don't even know how you think that's acceptable.

[louisg]

I have trouble believing this is anything but a troll account. Come on, mods, you banned Skykid and Friendly but not *this* guy?

[Skykid]

I have trouble believing this is anything but a troll account. Come on, mods, you banned Skykid and Friendly but not *this* guy?

I don't want to see any more bans. Exquisite, chill man, don't undermine your beliefs with prejudice.

[Ed Oscuro]

Exquisite, chill man, don't undermine your beliefs with prejudice.

or lazy conspiracy theories

[BulletMagnet]

Okay, I'm getting more than a little tired of this, and I hope to hell the admins feel the same way.