Game Cube sales down....

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:09 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4319364.stm

Just for anyone who's interested in reading this. I'm not posting this to slam on Nintendo, just for information's sake.

Too bad about DS sales; I will definately be getting one! At any rate, if sales of the Cube don't pick up enough when the new Legend of Zelda comes out next year, I wonder if Nintendo will release the Revolution earlier then planned? From that article, it certainly sounds as if they're banking their financial future on it.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:32 am

Although profits are coming in below their projections, Nintendo is still well in the black. The issue for me is whether they are going to be making any profit on the Revolution in the years to come. They will clearly continue to make a handsome profit on the GameBoy product line, and this will allow them to try to stay in the console business for a while. But how long? I'm not optimistic, even though I believe their first-party games will continue to beat out the competition in terms of quality.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:59 am

Game Cube sales down!???

The only thing left is Zelda.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:01 am

The fact that you bring these dark news to a board full of Nintendo fanboys is offense by itself, no matter how you try to cover it. It's either good news or your head gets chopped.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:35 am

There's no need to worry about Nintendo's future if they are posting even the slightest profit. Nintendo is pretty much giving up on being the leader in home consoles. Instead, they are concentrating on carving out a market where you don't have to make gobs of money to be profitable.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:09 am

It's such a shame PS2 came out on top gameswise (I don't think anyone would disagree at this point). GC seems to have better loadtimes and graphics capabilities, from what I've played.

Post by **system11** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:19 am

I'm surprised the GC survived in the US so long actually. Here in Europe it flatlined over a year ago. Shops were even selling them for the same price as a PS2 game. having to give them away to shift the stock.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:37 am

UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:The fact that you bring these dark news to a board full of Nintendo fanboys is offense by itself, no matter how you try to cover it. It's either good news or your head gets chopped.

This isn't a board of Nintendo fanboys. Every time a Nintendo discussion starts, someone either bashes Nintendo or claims that everyone that disagrees with them is a Nintendo fanboy (not in those exact words, but that's the impression I get from some of the comments here). BTW, it's usually the so called "nintendo fanboys" getting their heads chopped, not the other way around. Seriously, the Nintendogs discussion was a big bash fest and I get my head chopped off with rude scarastic remarks just becuase I said that the DS isn't full of rehashes (and IMO, a game can not use the stylus and still not be a rehash and vice versa). Lets not even go into how a get my head chopped off just becuase I don't think the N64 is underpowered (at least compared to the other systems that came out at the time it was out). Seriously, many people don't even discuss anything here, they just go to the scarastic comments and insults.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:41 am

GameCube sales down?

I can't remember the last time they were even up.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:47 am

Neon wrote:It's such a shame PS2 came out on top gameswise (I don't think anyone would disagree at this point). GC seems to have better loadtimes and graphics capabilities, from what I've played.

I agree, it's a shame the PS2 won this generation with the weakest hardware and overbearing US QA.

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:47 am

Such a shame. It just seems that Nintendo could *really* do something if they wanted to. I mean, they must have the technology, and knowledge by now. If only they could make something without fucking it up somehow... I have some serious respect for Nintendo, and I hope they get their shit together some day. (like back in the NES / SNES days...except for the NES connector design)

UnscathedFlyingObject · Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:49 am

Full of fanboys might be going too far but there's a handful of 'em over here. I'm saying, to dave4, that he can't bring news like these over here and expect not offending anyone. I don't know where sarcasm and insults come into play in my message.

Edit: BTW, I don't know how people get offended over videogames. The hell I care if someone thinks RE0 is shite. I like it. It isn't an offense to me that other people don't like it.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:57 am

The N64 is responsible for the GameCube's lack of success; if Big N had gone CD and not cart, there would have been a lot more developers willing to work on the N64. I mean, take a look at FFVII, that was supposed to be an N64 game, correct? Sakaguchi said it would have taken the equivalent of roughly 11 N64 carts to do what the PS1 discs did.

But since the PS1 was what the N64 wasn't, you saw a ton of third-party support for that system. By this gen, the PS1's popularity was immense and had such great support -- no reason to jump ship when your audience has bought the PS1's successor, right?

All about the carts. Hell, the PS2's popularity is so great, only one of the Capom 5 stayed on the GC (P.N. 03). Multi-platform games are all the rage these days.

I used to be a staunch supporter of the GameCube, but even now I may find myself liking the Xbox more, if only for the SNK and Sega games. The GameCube, in the end, doesn't really offer me anything I'd like. No matter how much I used to like Nintendo, just because they're Nintendo shouldn't make me like the GC any more than I do.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:01 am

Good point. I don't really see much of a point in posting news that a lot of people already know in the first place. Though, knowing dave4shmups, he probably didn't mean any offense by it.

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:29 am

Well I have to ammit that besides playing those lunching titles, my GameCube actually is acting as the Console Version of GBA (using the GBA Player) most of the time.

I should have hack a GBA to do that, instead of buying a GameCube...

By the way, anyone think of hucking a PSP to connect to a RGB monitor? I have been thinking of hucking the PSP control to use a Sanwa Joystick I removed from my HRAP...

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:33 am

SAM wrote:By the way, anyone think of hucking a PSP to connect to a RGB monitor? I have been thinking of hucking the PSP control to use a Sanwa Joystick I removed from my HRAP...

I know that the official Sony PSP testing units and development units have built-in VGA output, but I don't know if the capability exists on retail units without extensive hardware modding. One hacking team apparently found a way to output video using some kind of hardware modification, although there was some discussion as to whether it was faked.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:43 am

The worst-selling system of the big three this generation is selling less due to the almost complete lack of games to look foward to and the impending next generation?

I have to say, I'm surprised.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:16 am

Europe is also is kind of weird like that. Slow on the take up, first on the decline as well.

You have to understand that alot of people actually buy Nintendo import games in Europe so the PAL market is really slow.

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:34 pm

I used to be a Nintendo fanboy. But then I pulled my head out of my ass and learned to accept the competition.

But screw all of the big three. PC Gaming is the way to go.

Davey · Post by **Davey** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:55 pm

BrianC wrote:Seriously, many people don't even discuss anything here, they just go to the scarastic comments and insults.

And how!

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:35 pm

I'd say, "Nice one Davey!", but I'm officially not getting involved in that 'discussion'. And that's official.

Pa

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:12 pm

Ganelon wrote:I agree, it's a shame the PS2 won this generation with the weakest hardware and overbearing US QA.

Well, as the sig above me says (more or less), "screw systems, I play games." The PS2's hardware might be the weakest of the generation, but it's got the most stuff to play on it, so there you go. Heck, even for we insignificant shmuppers, its library is head and shoulders above anyone else's...as such, it's the only "current" system that I've been persuaded to buy, despite the hardware's many limitations.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:59 pm

LoneSage wrote:The N64 is responsible for the GameCube's lack of success; if Big N had gone CD and not cart, there would have been a lot more developers willing to work on the N64. I mean, take a look at FFVII, that was supposed to be an N64 game, correct? Sakaguchi said it would have taken the equivalent of roughly 11 N64 carts to do what the PS1 discs did.

But since the PS1 was what the N64 wasn't, you saw a ton of third-party support for that system. By this gen, the PS1's popularity was immense and had such great support -- no reason to jump ship when your audience has bought the PS1's successor, right?

All about the carts. Hell, the PS2's popularity is so great, only one of the Capom 5 stayed on the GC (P.N. 03). Multi-platform games are all the rage these days.

I used to be a staunch supporter of the GameCube, but even now I may find myself liking the Xbox more, if only for the SNK and Sega games. The GameCube, in the end, doesn't really offer me anything I'd like. No matter how much I used to like Nintendo, just because they're Nintendo shouldn't make me like the GC any more than I do.

Nintendo went with the cartridge format for the N64 because of piracy issues; and I don't blame them.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:18 pm

Regardless of the format, Nintendo hasn't been the same ever since. Look at the damn controllers. All designed for THEIR games. Imagine playing SF 2 or some arcade conversion... No..

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:24 pm

BulletMagnet wrote: Well, as the sig above me says (more or less), "screw systems, I play games." The PS2's hardware might be the weakest of the generation, but it's got the most stuff to play on it, so there you go.

Well, yeah, that's why it's a shame the PS2 caught on. Systems win because of games. However, when weaker systems catch on for whatever reason, technology evolution is compromised.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:22 pm

Ganelon wrote:However, when weaker systems catch on for whatever reason, technology evolution is compromised.

I'm not exactly a tech expert, but I don't think I'd take it quite that far...would games and systems as a whole have somehow managed to "evolve" further by now if, say, the XBox (IIRC, it's the best of the current systems, purely spec-wise) had somehow risen to the prominence that the PS2 currently has? Would the upcoming generation of systems somehow be different than they are now? Perhaps by some degree, but I wouldn't guess it'd be radically different...in any event, as you say, the system itself doesn't matter as much as the games themselves do, so as a result shouldn't game companies be more focused on making sure they have as many good games as possible for their systems in the first place, rather than on the technical expansion of the systems themselves?

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:36 pm

BulletMagnet wrote:
Ganelon wrote:However, when weaker systems catch on for whatever reason, technology evolution is compromised.
I'm not exactly a tech expert, but I don't think I'd take it quite that far...would games and systems as a whole have somehow managed to "evolve" further by now if, say, the XBox (IIRC, it's the best of the current systems, purely spec-wise) had somehow risen to the prominence that the PS2 currently has? Would the upcoming generation of systems somehow be different than they are now? Perhaps by some degree, but I wouldn't guess it'd be radically different...in any event, as you say, the system itself doesn't matter as much as the games themselves do, so as a result shouldn't game companies be more focused on making sure they have as many good games as possible for their systems in the first place, rather than on the technical expansion of the systems themselves?

Virtuafighter would be on the xbox and then I could dump Sony's weak hella fragile system. That's a good enough reason for me.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:25 pm

Between delaying Zelda and the DS carrying its butt the entire holiday shopping season, Nintendo better get with it and release the Revolution on flippin' time at least at the same time as PS3. Otherwise system sales will fall even farther than the GC, but they're so obsessively caught up in "quality first" to the point of hurting themselves you just know it won't be relased till 07 or 08. Last week I read an interview with Miyamoto hinted that NO 3rd parties had a Rev dev kit yet. But Miyamoto says that's 'OK' because the Revolution kits are 'very similar' to the GC kits. :?Here's hoping Nintendo, Retro, ect. themselves are busy with the dev kits.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:29 pm

dave4shmups wrote:
Nintendo went with the cartridge format for the N64 because of piracy issues; and I don't blame them.

You don't blame them for killing their company with an overly expensive format just to save a minor amount of money on piracy when their market share would have exploded and their profits gone up? That's ludicrous.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:30 pm

Dylan1CC wrote:But Miyamoto says that's 'OK' because the Revolution kits are 'very similar' to the GC kits.

Which should make them foreign to most 3rd parties.