New Scanline generator SLG3000 - available now!
Re: New Scanline generator SLG3000 - available now!
With three individual trimpots it`s hardly possible to get good white level. Your scanlines will always have an unwanted color effect. We exclude three trimpots from the beginning of the project. Sure, with three trimpots its much more cheaper to produce, perhaps this is the reason why all the slg3000 clones go with this solution.
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Very cool.
I've been talking to a rep from the company that sells the RetroVGA2 and he told me they had a few on hand he could sell.
Thanks for the FYI Fudoh, I should brush up on more literature before I speak lol - SLG3000 is pretty much the same.
The problem is that there's only one source for the SLG3000 and price is about 50.00 Euros and they charge you another 18 Euro for a cheap casing that should be included (and cost no more than 5 Euros) that's not including shipping to USA..
That's a slap in the face to consumers like me, charging people half the price of the actual unit for a plastic casing that should be sold with the unit.
If that's the case then why not sell the naked board for cheaper?
Clone or not - consumers will buy what works the same for less.
You guys made me feel much more confident with my decision and appreciate all the help!
Sal
I've been talking to a rep from the company that sells the RetroVGA2 and he told me they had a few on hand he could sell.
Thanks for the FYI Fudoh, I should brush up on more literature before I speak lol - SLG3000 is pretty much the same.
The problem is that there's only one source for the SLG3000 and price is about 50.00 Euros and they charge you another 18 Euro for a cheap casing that should be included (and cost no more than 5 Euros) that's not including shipping to USA..
That's a slap in the face to consumers like me, charging people half the price of the actual unit for a plastic casing that should be sold with the unit.
If that's the case then why not sell the naked board for cheaper?
Clone or not - consumers will buy what works the same for less.
You guys made me feel much more confident with my decision and appreciate all the help!
Sal
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Naaa, that`s not true. My price for the SLG3000 is 48.95€ and currently I`ve a price cut of 10%
Shipping to US is only 7€ and about 1 week shipping time. I ship with express and tracking. So I think there should be no complaints about shipping prices.
Shipping to US is only 7€ and about 1 week shipping time. I ship with express and tracking. So I think there should be no complaints about shipping prices.
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My enclosure is three layered and has engravings and is laser cut. So all the edges are clean. So the design is much more elaborated and superior to simple cnc cut plexi. Please take a closer look at the enclosure and the differences.The problem is that there's only one source for the SLG3000 and price is about 50.00 Euros and they charge you another 18 Euro for a cheap casing that should be included (and cost no more than 5 Euros) that's not including shipping to USA..
Second Bruno charges 20USD for shipping without tracking. And sure it`s more cheaper to rebuild stuff than to develop a complete product.
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here`re some pics. I still like how it turns out.
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Bencao, thanks for the shipping info.bencao74 wrote:Naaa, that`s not true. My price for the SLG3000 is 48.95€ and currently I`ve a price cut of 10%
Shipping to US is only 7€ and about 1 week shipping time. I ship with express and tracking. So I think there should be no complaints about shipping prices.
Sal
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Welcome, I'm working on a us reseller currently. Bryan from paradise arcade shop will offer the slg3000 soon.
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Ah nice, Ive ordered from him before
Ben, I'm willing to ditch Bruno and go for the real deal.
If I buy from you today, could you help me get it ASAP?
I'm desperately trying to get my mame cabinet complete before my guests arrive from Italy and would like the SLG300 in my hands before the holiday.
Any way you can expidite the process for me pal? I'm Located in New Jersey, USA 08837
Let me know if you can help me out.
I'll be building two more cabs this year and will need a few more when my clients are ready
- Sal
Ben, I'm willing to ditch Bruno and go for the real deal.
If I buy from you today, could you help me get it ASAP?
I'm desperately trying to get my mame cabinet complete before my guests arrive from Italy and would like the SLG300 in my hands before the holiday.
Any way you can expidite the process for me pal? I'm Located in New Jersey, USA 08837
Let me know if you can help me out.
I'll be building two more cabs this year and will need a few more when my clients are ready
- Sal
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Oh, really? Dude, by talking like that you really sound like a car salesman (like the NOT honest type)!bencao74 wrote:My enclosure is three layered and has engravings and is laser cut. So all the edges are clean. So the design is much more elaborated and superior to simple cnc cut plexi. Please take a closer look at the enclosure and the differences.
Second Bruno charges 20USD for shipping without tracking. And sure it`s more cheaper to rebuild stuff than to develop a complete product.
Anyways, shipping from Brazil to any place in the globe is around US$17.00 and it DOES INCLUDE tracking code.
Oh, and the plexy we use is laser cut.
Not sufficient? Grab the schematics and make (or ask a friend) your own board without paying me a dime! Yes, that's correct! RetroVGA is Open Hardware!
Good luck with your business!
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Oh, and bencao74, you forgot to add to your car salesman speech that your SLG works ONLY for the following resolutions:
640x480@60Hz
1024x768@60Hz
That makes your SLG the weakest (and the most expensive) in the market. All the other alternatives are cheaper and supports EVERY VGA resolution.
Oh, but you've got 3 pieces of plexi and an expensive trimpot, right?
640x480@60Hz
1024x768@60Hz
That makes your SLG the weakest (and the most expensive) in the market. All the other alternatives are cheaper and supports EVERY VGA resolution.
Oh, but you've got 3 pieces of plexi and an expensive trimpot, right?
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SLG3000 definitely works at more than those two resolutions, or are you referring to the double width switch on yours which would make the scanlines more authentic on, say, 720p resolution? I'm still not sure they'd line up properly then but sometimes a pseudo scanline effect can be fun anyway.
Why would you need three? That sounds needlessly fiddly, especially for someone like me that's always messing with that setting.This device includes 3 individual trimpots so you can adjust scanlines intensity
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No. I'm saying that SLG3000 doesn't work over any VGA signal different than the ones I mentioned. That hasn't anything to do with another feature SLG3K lacks, that is scanlines thickness.BuckoA51 wrote:SLG3000 definitely works at more than those two resolutions, or are you referring to the double width switch on yours which would make the scanlines more authentic on, say, 720p resolution? I'm still not sure they'd line up properly then but sometimes a pseudo scanline effect can be fun anyway.
Why would you need three? That sounds needlessly fiddly, especially for someone like me that's always messing with that setting.This device includes 3 individual trimpots so you can adjust scanlines intensity
Technically the circuit needs three. bencao74 fancy trimpot is actually 3 trimpots "glued together" as one.
And I'm not here to discuss which one is best or worse, anyone buy whatever they want. I don't actually run a virtual shop anymore (I have a friend making the products and selling the stuff now, I don't get any participation on this), so I don't care.
But I just think that lying in order to lure customers is a very low move.
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The double width scanlines only line up "perfect" with a 960p resolution. On a 720p output you only get 180 scanlines (while you should get 240).
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There's a guy over at BYOAC looking to develop a simple cheap slg..
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.p ... 970.0.html
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.p ... 970.0.html
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I can assure you that it does, because I own one and I've tried it, there are screenshots of me running Scott Pilgrim at 720p with SLG3000 in this very thread, though the scanlines of course do not align properly as they should (nor would they with your version), but the effect can still be pleasing in some games.No. I'm saying that SLG3000 doesn't work over any VGA signal different than the ones I mentioned.
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Lucky you for getting negative polarity on VSYNC on that resolution. It's the only reason why it worked on SLG3K. The majority of VGA resolutions has positive VSYNC polarity, making SLG3K useless for them.BuckoA51 wrote:I can assure you that it does, because I own one and I've tried it, there are screenshots of me running Scott Pilgrim at 720p with SLG3000 in this very thread, though the scanlines of course do not align properly as they should (nor would they with your version), but the effect can still be pleasing in some games.No. I'm saying that SLG3000 doesn't work over any VGA signal different than the ones I mentioned.
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here is the list of supported resolutions
Resolution DIP4 DIP5 Effect
640 x480 OFF ON 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
ON OFF 2,4,6 usw ausgetastet
600 x 800 OFF OFF 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
1024 x768 OFF ON 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
ON OFF 2,4,6 usw ausgetastet
1280 x 800 OFF ON 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
ON OFF 2,4,6 usw ausgetastet
1280 x 1024 OFF OFF 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
1600 x 1200 OFF OFF 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
We stopped then. SailorSat made test with 2K something. bootsector : nice work - I`m glad that the SLG3000 concept is still strong enough for similar ideas or projects. Perhaps it`s time to make something new like emulation for shadow mask. For SLG3000 performance just go through this thread and take a look at the pics. I`m sure that your project deserves it`s own thread.
Resolution DIP4 DIP5 Effect
640 x480 OFF ON 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
ON OFF 2,4,6 usw ausgetastet
600 x 800 OFF OFF 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
1024 x768 OFF ON 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
ON OFF 2,4,6 usw ausgetastet
1280 x 800 OFF ON 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
ON OFF 2,4,6 usw ausgetastet
1280 x 1024 OFF OFF 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
1600 x 1200 OFF OFF 1,3,5 usw ausgetastet
We stopped then. SailorSat made test with 2K something. bootsector : nice work - I`m glad that the SLG3000 concept is still strong enough for similar ideas or projects. Perhaps it`s time to make something new like emulation for shadow mask. For SLG3000 performance just go through this thread and take a look at the pics. I`m sure that your project deserves it`s own thread.
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I don't quite understand what I need to do to make the SLG3000 work with those higher resolutions. For example, could you tell me what I need to do to get my SLG3000 to work with 1280x1024 resolution? Thank you.
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I keep asking myself the question...... why on earth would anyone want to overlay scanlines to anything higher than 480 lines. I'll probably get the same reply as before.
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I just want to see what it looks like. Is that wrong?
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honestly, the above table was only a stress test that was made during the development. For me the most important is a good scanline emulation, thus I always recommend to use 480 lines. I`ve go through my development mails with winni and fudoh from 2010. Anyone interested in pics of the first breadboard designs?
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Yes... you should be burned at the stake for thinking such!NWrain wrote:Is that wrong?
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What i have to change/edit on this for a 1600x1200 4:3 crt vga monitor? it says its ok for 1920x1080, but can't be diferent for my resolution,cools wrote:I wasn't calling you a numpty (I actually thought it didn't need HLSL, but then I remembered that method requires each game to be set up individually - so I've been messing around with HLSL all afternoon)
The settings below work wonderfully with everything I've tried (on a 1920x1080p screen). Pixel perfect scanlines. Although the curvature won't be to everyone's taste - I was seeing if I could get an image that looked like a VGA CRT with 15khz scanlines, and I think I've succeeded:
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brightness 1.01 hlsl_enable 1 hlsl_prescale_x 0 hlsl_prescale_y 0 hlsl_preset -1 hlsl_snap_width 2048 hlsl_snap_height 1536 shadow_mask_alpha 0.100000 shadow_mask_texture aperture.png shadow_mask_x_count 480 shadow_mask_y_count 288 shadow_mask_usize 0.093750 shadow_mask_vsize 0.109375 curvature 0.000000 pincushion 0.020000 scanline_alpha 1.000000 scanline_size 1.000000 scanline_height 1.000000 scanline_bright_scale 1.000000 scanline_bright_offset 0.000000 scanline_jitter 0.050000 defocus 0.500000,0.500000 converge_x 0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 converge_y 0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 radial_converge_x 0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 radial_converge_y 0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 red_ratio 1.000000,0.000000,0.000000 grn_ratio 0.000000,1.000000,0.000000 blu_ratio 0.000000,0.000000,1.000000 saturation 1.000000 offset 0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 scale 1.000000,1.000000,1.000000 power 1.000000,1.000000,1.000000 floor 0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 phosphor_life 0.050000,0.050000,0.050000 yiq_enable 0 yiq_cc 3.597545 yiq_a 0.500000 yiq_b 0.500000 yiq_o 0.000000 yiq_p 1.000000 yiq_n 1.000000 yiq_y 6.000000 yiq_i 1.200000 yiq_q 0.600000 yiq_scan_time 52.599998 yiq_phase_count 2
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pm about some problems
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got it. 800x600 ressolution is possible. Thanks for the headsup-
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UIh_qYY ... e=youtu.be
here some problems and tested more and now the led is off so no more picture...
you can see sometime the signal is missing by turned on the pc.
here some problems and tested more and now the led is off so no more picture...
you can see sometime the signal is missing by turned on the pc.
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Just like to share that I got in an HDFury gamer today and managed to get both my PS3 and Xbox 360 set to 480P to run through the slg3000 with no issues. I got a mixed message from reading from this thread: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 53#p744653 that specified that the slg3000 would not work with the HDFury gamer without the use of an rgb interface to get a negative sync from the HDFury gamer.
My setup as follows:
PS3 Slim & Xbox 360 --> HDMI Manual Switch --> HDFury Gamer --> Vga Switch --> slg3000 (dipswitch 4 on, dipswitch 5 off) --> Dell u2211h Monitor
HDMI Switch: http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ ... 1&format=2
Vga Switch: http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ ... 1&format=2
Examples
PS3 Menu: http://i48.tinypic.com/2krfuo.jpg
PS3 3S Online: http://i49.tinypic.com/205cx9i.jpg
HDFury Gamer: http://i50.tinypic.com/2hphyer.jpg
My setup as follows:
PS3 Slim & Xbox 360 --> HDMI Manual Switch --> HDFury Gamer --> Vga Switch --> slg3000 (dipswitch 4 on, dipswitch 5 off) --> Dell u2211h Monitor
HDMI Switch: http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ ... 1&format=2
Vga Switch: http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ ... 1&format=2
Examples
PS3 Menu: http://i48.tinypic.com/2krfuo.jpg
PS3 3S Online: http://i49.tinypic.com/205cx9i.jpg
HDFury Gamer: http://i50.tinypic.com/2hphyer.jpg
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nice update, thanks !
Could you try the HDF directly connected to a console ? Your VGA switch wouldn't change the polarity, but in theory the HDMI switch could if the HDF just converts the existing polarity...
Could you try the HDF directly connected to a console ? Your VGA switch wouldn't change the polarity, but in theory the HDMI switch could if the HDF just converts the existing polarity...