XRGB-mini Framemeister

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:14 pm

Maybe someone could ask Retro Accessories though for some odd reason she never comes on here any more and seems to ignore most messages that are sent to her.

enf2k5 · Post by **enf2k5** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:52 am

jdubs wrote:Hey guys

http://www.ebay.com/itm/230386583172?_t ... 652wt_1139

Super cheap...hopefully it works ok. I'm planning to run three custom cables into it (with the correct Framemeister pinout) and a STANDARD male-male mini din 8 cable from the output into the Framemeister's input. I figure that if all of the input cables are utilizing the correct pinouts, the output cable can just be a standard.

Hopefully it works as planned!

-Jim

Sounds interesting, let us know how it works out, and if there is any Quality loss.

jdubs · Post by **jdubs** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:04 pm

Hey guys, there are a couple of references to the Framemeister's pin out....can anyone confirm which of these is correct?:

http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id= ... _rgb_input

or

http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id= ... amemeister

I'm thinking its the second one since that's the one that Fudoh linked to in his review.

-Jim

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:48 pm

yes, it's the second one. Somebody with a login for the gamesx wiki should delete the first one.

jdubs · Post by **jdubs** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:36 pm

Fudoh wrote:yes, it's the second one. Somebody with a login for the gamesx wiki should delete the first one.

Thanks Fudoh!

-Jim

RGB32E · Post by **RGB32E** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:47 pm

Fudoh wrote:yes, it's the second one. Somebody with a login for the gamesx wiki should delete the first one.

I contacted Lawrence about this at the beginning of the year and he said he had deleted that image and the page. I went ahead and deleted the old wiki page, but it doesn't stop someone from looking up old revisions for the sake of getting confused!

As mentioned elsewhere, the initial pinout was supplied by Micomsoft Support. Ultimately anyone with one of the JP21 to 8MDIN adapters can figure out the pinout and is what I had to do to create the second one. 9 months later and this is still being brought up!

That first page isn't linked on the Wiki, so not sure how one would have found it.

Also, was it a particular firmware revision post 1.03 that allowed for 31kHz signals on the RGB input? Have 24kHz signals been tested?

Zombisaurus · Post by **Zombisaurus** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:27 am

Zombisaurus wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to just get a Japan Super Famicom RGB Scart cable? That should work great with a us snes and the framemeister, no extra adapters, etc, right?

It has arrived! SNES > official Nintendo RGB cable > framemeister = heaven. Immediate improvement over svideo, which was already remarkable better than composite. I'm new to this, so seeing RGB upscaled is still blowing my mind.

The image is a little noisy still. Might this be helped with a different SNES revision? Or something else?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:31 am

The image is a little noisy still. Might this be helped with a different SNES revision? Or something else?

you can first try to finetune the manual a/d setting in the Mini's menu.

pyrotek85 · Post by **pyrotek85** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:34 am

Maybe a firmware update too? I think they're at 1.07A currently. Don't know if any of the fixes address what you're seeing.

jdubs · Post by **jdubs** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:39 am

Guys

Got my Framemeister today. Gotta love EMS shipping....literally 2 days from Japan.

Anyway, my vintage consoles aren't quite ready, cable-wise, to test out...however, I do have my xbox 360 hooked up to it via HDMI. Ok, the signal from the xbox is 720p and the output from the Framemeister is 720p. I tried the Meister setting and no scanlines. Tried the other settings, too, and they all look pretty much the same.

Am I missing a setting?

Thanks,
Jim

pyrotek85 · Post by **pyrotek85** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:45 am

jdubs wrote:Guys

Got my Framemeister today. Gotta love EMS shipping....literally 2 days from Japan.

Anyway, my vintage consoles aren't quite ready, cable-wise, to test out...however, I do have my xbox 360 hooked up to it via HDMI. Ok, the signal from the xbox is 720p and the output from the Framemeister is 720p. I tried the Meister setting and no scanlines. Tried the other settings, too, and they all look pretty much the same.

Am I missing a setting?

Thanks,
Jim

I think I remember reading that scanlines won't show up if it's not also upscaling the resolution. So you'd need to use 1080p output, though I think scanlines are still bugged at that resolution.

Zombisaurus · Post by **Zombisaurus** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:07 am

Fudoh wrote:
The image is a little noisy still. Might this be helped with a different SNES revision? Or something else?
you can first try to finetune the manual a/d setting in the Mini's menu.

What does this do? Is there an English manual somewhere?

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:06 am

What does this do? Is there an English manual somewhere?

Far as I know it adjusts the sensitivity of the analogue digital conversion, Fudoh could explain better I guess.. There's the wiki where I've been trying to document everything (for my own sake mostly, as I hate wading through these super long threads

) http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB ... AMEMEISTER

Hamburglar · Post by **Hamburglar** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:56 am

Hey all, quick question about the Saturn and the XRGB Mini.

I finally got a SCART cable for my Saturn and the first game I tried was Fighter's Megamix. I noticed my TV flashing a few times (like it does when changing resolutions) and the picture would get razor sharp, but extremely jumpy/interlaced looking. Is Fighter's Megamix for Saturn running at a weird resolution only certain times in the game? It didn't do this in the game's option menu but did it again at the title screen and in game during the fighting. Googling isn't giving me much here.

Thank you!

BuckoA51 wrote:
What does this do? Is there an English manual somewhere?
Far as I know it adjusts the sensitivity of the analogue digital conversion, Fudoh could explain better I guess.. There's the wiki where I've been trying to document everything (for my own sake mostly, as I hate wading through these super long threads ) http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB ... AMEMEISTER

The only thing that annoys me about the A/D conversion adjusting thing is when it gets rid of the noise in one solid color, it then shows up in another color!

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:07 am

Fighters Megamix uses the Virtua Fighter 2 engine doesn't it? That's interlace, and yes the title screens are 240p while the game is 480i, the mini is exceptionally slow switching between the two.

Hamburglar · Post by **Hamburglar** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:41 am

BuckoA51 wrote:Fighters Megamix uses the Virtua Fighter 2 engine doesn't it? That's interlace, and yes the title screens are 240p while the game is 480i, the mini is exceptionally slow switching between the two.

That I can live with but the picture is very and showing weird interlacing artifacts .

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:00 pm

Perhaps you just expecting too much from game mode deinterlacing? You can't have both low input lag and nice deinterlacing you have to choose between one or the other.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:05 pm

Game mode1/2 and Meister mode use single field deinterlacing which decreases detail and causes the vibrating horizontal lines. Just switch to standard mode for proper 480i deinterlacing. I didn't find it to be noticeably slower than the game modes.

Hamburglar · Post by **Hamburglar** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:17 pm

Fudoh wrote:Game mode1/2 and Meister mode use single field deinterlacing which decreases detail and causes the vibrating horizontal lines. Just switch to standard mode for proper 480i deinterlacing. I didn't find it to be noticeably slower than the game modes.

This totally fixed it. Thank you!

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:19 pm

It must be slower in terms of input lag though, surely, there's no possible way it can't be right?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:51 pm

Unless you assume that the game mode is lag free (which I think it is not), then there's no reason why both modes can't have the same processing speed. One field as a buffer for analysis is enough for proper deinterlacing.

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:43 pm

Oh I see what you mean, game mode should be faster but in actual fact they are the same speed.. I thought I'd tried both modes on the Amiga and the pointer lagged much less with game mode, but I could be mistaken.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:46 pm

Man, it will be feast once Leo releases it's standalone lag tester....

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:53 pm

Yes, I have already registered my interest in that device!

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:59 pm

I hope we see it before christmas. Has been awfully silent for the past months.

Overkill · Post by **Overkill** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:57 pm

Are these two devices for Xrgb 3 or for the Mini Framemeister: Xsync-1 21 Pin RGB Multi C-Sync Separator
Selecty 21 Analog RGB Selector? And what really do the Xsync-1 21 Pin RGB Multi C-Sync Separator?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:08 am

neither was designed for exclusive use with a XRGB unit. The XSync was introduced when Micomsoft's HD capture card was released. The XSync is a sync stripped with JP21 input and two outputs (RGBHV and RGBs). The Selecty21 is a JP21 switch. It's quite old with an old-style japanese 15-pin (2-row) RGB output.

RGB32E · Post by **RGB32E** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:20 am

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:20 pm

Those are some crazy good looking cables

I don't have pictures of my wires, but I took a few pictures of my setup after I finished moving a month ago. They can be seen halfway down on the last page here:
http://www.playright.dk/forum/emne/3979 ... -ud#583899

All in Danish, but I'm sure Google translate will do an excellent job as always

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:29 pm

Gratulations on your new setup ! Looks nice and sorted. You shouldn't play Blazing Star in the wrong AR though

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