That fucking 2hu list

[Bananamatic]

This thread is like an Agatha Christie's novel, first-class mystery.

Ten Little Niggers

[shmuppyLove]

LLS has a focus mode to slow things down?? lol I didn't even know that and I cleared it on easy. When shit got too intense i just bombed or cast a spell or whatever it is you do in to-ho-ho-ho

[BareKnuckleRoo]

LLS and MS both have a slowdown mode via the shift key, although unlike later Touhous there's no visible graphic/shot change to show when you're using it. It also seems to be wonky/sticky in T98-Next (which is awesome) if you use the numpad to control, although really the other arrows are closer together and thus better for shmupping anyways.

[Bananamatic]

LLS has a focus mode to slow things down?? lol I didn't even know that and I cleared it on easy. When shit got too intense i just bombed or cast a spell or whatever it is you do in to-ho-ho-ho

I forgot about focus once when I cleared extra

[O. Van Bruce]

I cleared all of the PC-98 games on normal without using slowdown... that shit never worked for me even if I pressed Shif (I was using a controller)

BTW... best PC-98 2hoo is Mystic Square: difficulty is just right and the music is awesome... heck, the fight against Shinki and Ex-Alice was epic.

[shmuppyLove]

I cleared all of the PC-98 games on normal without using slowdown... that shit never worked for me even if I pressed Shif (I was using a controller)

BTW... best PC-98 2hoo is Mystic Square: difficulty is just right and the music is awesome... heck, the fight against Shinki and Ex-Alice was epic.

Ok I'm gonna play a bit more LLS, cuz it's pretty decent, and go for the normal clear. Then I'll jump into Mystic Square. The music can't be worse than LLS, that's for sure ...

http://youtu.be/Uz7JXAxj2ZU

Bonus slightly pervy pic

[O. Van Bruce]

When you get to fight 2 demons at the same time on a boss fight, try to destroy first the black one, because when you defeat one, the other gets a power up and the black one is a lot harder than the white one. I believe they are the 4th stage boss.

[null1024]

I cleared all of the PC-98 games on normal without using slowdown... that shit never worked for me even if I pressed Shif (I was using a controller)

BTW... best PC-98 2hoo is Mystic Square: difficulty is just right and the music is awesome... heck, the fight against Shinki and Ex-Alice was epic.

Ok I'm gonna play a bit more LLS, cuz it's pretty decent, and go for the normal clear. Then I'll jump into Mystic Square. The music can't be worse than LLS, that's for sure ...

http://youtu.be/Uz7JXAxj2ZU

Bonus slightly pervy pic

MS actually has nice music, and it's probably my favorite PC-98 Touhou [blagh, typing 2hu looks silly]. Still a bit bothered by the blue bullets on blue background crap in one of the levels, but it doesn't really affect things, so it doesn't matter.
Haven't actually gotten the clear [on normal -- Touhou games on Easy are silly easy, can you say IN Easy clear at 5AM while sleep-dep kicks in?] yet, but I haven't been steadily playing it, which would be a factor.

And yeah, I never knew the PC-98 games had focus on shift. I should bind a focus button in Xpadder for my pad.
I can't play with the keyboard because it is stupid and doesn't let you hold Z, X, or C and press down+right at the same time.

[Seppo Hovi]

When I started playing Touhou back in the day, my main goal was to clear PCB (Touhou 7) on Normal. It was pretty good for a beginner, you got a lot of extends and the border abuse helped me to survive. From there on I cleared the rest of the games, but sadly the order has been leaving me. I know EoSD was second and IN third. Both are quite easy. Actually, none of the games are too hard to clear if you get a grasp of the rescource management.

For lunatic modes, I started with EoSD and finished with UFO, which are both considered the more harder games to clear. The easier lunatics would probably be TD, PCB and MoF. And why not SA, once you understand it.

For scoring, I started with IN easy, and slowly learned the cancel timings. For lower goals IN scoring is pretty easy, but if the aim is high, your timing must be really, really exact. PCB is generally considered the hardest game to score well in, given how much you need to learn and how complex the system is. It also is very enjoyable, so feel free to set some low-effort 1b goals and start having fun with those. UFO is the third game in which I have scored more seriously, and it gets really hard if you want to play optimally. Then again, so does every game.

The gem of Touhou gameplay is the scoring. The world of optimisation is so complex and thrillingly large, that your adventure into becoming a better Touhou scorerunner will take quite a while. It is one enjoyable journey, I suggest hopping on it.

[O. Van Bruce]

The gem of Touhou gameplay is the scoring. The world of optimisation is so complex and thrillingly large, that your adventure into becoming a better Touhou scorerunner will take quite a while. It is one enjoyable journey, I suggest hopping on it.

I left the world of Touhou Scoring simply because it felt like a job and most of the scoring in Touhou feels boring:

EoSD: Graze like a maniac... don't let the items drop.
PCB: Ok, this can be fun, but the fact that you have to get everything perfect in every stage makes the game prone to restartitis.
IN: The only Touhou in which the game somewhat tells you to have fun scoring... lots of options and a learning steep (which every other Touhou lacks)
PoFV: Meh... score on a Vs Shmup...
StB and DB: This are fun to score just because every escene is short so it doesn't take too much to learn how to score well on one escene.
MoF: No death, no miss bitch... besides losing some items would fuck your score so restartitis again.
SA: Lmao... Graze, safespot abussing to its finest... I just laugh watching superplays on lunatic.
UFO: Almost the same as in PCB, now with safespot abusing included.
FW: LoL, this is the most original scoring System ZUN has come out with... this is the only "completely fun to score" Touhou for me.
TD: Marisa... Master Spark, Master Spark, Spirit World, die, Master Spark... rinse and repeat.

[chum]

The gem of Touhou gameplay is the scoring. The world of optimisation is so complex and thrillingly large, that your adventure into becoming a better Touhou scorerunner will take quite a while. It is one enjoyable journey, I suggest hopping on it.

You realize that the OP is currently just going for a normal 1cc in what is pretty much the easiest game, right? I would say getting a "low-effort" 1b score on, say, normal is harder than just clearing the game on lunatic with little or no regards to score. The fact of the matter is that few people (non-fans) have any interest in learning how to score because they think their opinions are informed anyway and will happily dismiss these games because everyone else does.

Also the OP seems like he's joking around for attention anyway.

I left the world of Touhou Scoring simply because it felt like a job and most of the scoring in Touhou feels boring

There may not be shit all over the screen like in a cave game, but the scoring in these games sure has comparable depth. Boring how, exactly, and what are your scores? Grazing is really the only thing that tie most of the games together and some people won't like that, which I can respect. MoF still has a good simple (and graze-free) system.

I must also comment on the "job" part, getting high scores is supposed to take time and dedication... It's basically work in any respectable game.

EoSD: Graze like a maniac... don't let the items drop.

You graze like a maniac in order for star items to be worth more. Items can be disregarded completely as long as there are more important things to do (grazing)
You also forgot the part about spending all lives and bombs in the most profitable areas. Outside of those intentional misses, you should be no-missing and no-bombing the game. Max power = star item conversion, post-death invulnerability can be abused to graze more, bombs can be used for star items and also give you a small grazing period. Letting items drop is totally okay and actually sometimes necessary. As someone who loves spending my lives and my bombs, I feel this game is often misunderstood.

[shadowbringer]

EoSD: graze and bullet-cancelling (either from bombing or clearing nonspells) is really relevant (despite how grazing score isn't obvious or shown as visually as point items collected over PoC), randomly missed point items aren't. There's more extreme things such as using invulnerability (from planned bombs/deaths) or optimal grazing, too.

PCB: my main concerns with this game are that it's more difficult to make a gameplan (besides my inability to memorize optimal graze routes) and it's more difficult to execute them as well (I don't know how to try to readjust to a gameplan in PCB if I die, which means I mess the cherry counters up and thus the supernatural borders)

IN: you must remember to not let the human/youkai gauge (unless you're Youmu solo) get below 80%/-80%, and so you must remember to not kill familiars too fast (they make the gauge go towards 0% when they die), and also to stay correctly focused/non-focused when the clouds of tiny time orbs are drawn to you (else you shift from human to youkai and vice-versa, instantly), and also you have to time kills to kill familiar masters (in order for them to release all of their familiars to convert them into time orbs, or to cancel bullets through their familiars), and, of course, to graze a lot too (for more time orbs, 3 per graze during Youkai 80% mode, during boss fights).

StB/DS: imho difficult to memorize and execute things save for few easy scenes (I remember Koishi's spinning stream pattern), also you need timing (for the Nice Shot bonus), enough risk (Risk Bonus and the bonus from being in the same photo as your target), proper alignment (is a bonus in itself). I've stopped DS when I got to 9-3 (Brain Fingerprint), because it was too difficult for me to try to get all 8 fingerprints per shot (my best attempt before I gave up, shortly after). I got stressed out at that time (from trying to score in the previous stages until that point), but may return to the game, later.

MoF: agree about the unforgiving-ness.. though I've been watching some normal runs by Nereid (using ReimuC) and seen that I've (as I told him in the stream) playing MoF wrong (by not using counterbombs and not turning bullets into faith points by bombing in important places). MoF feels to me like a different LLS now (where bombs as a resource are good), and I like LLS. Still, as I told him too.. I'm not good enough to no-miss.

SA: no comment as I don't play it (grazing dna-pattern fairies mess me up in stage 1 already, so does Yamame T__T)

UFO: my main concern is trying to know a ufo route, and trying to be good enough to execute it. Optimally grazing is far out of my reach, and have been for a long time.

FW: Progearwing but I agree it's a fun gameplay

TD: make it not have Mima, see what happens. :V

IaMP: is a good game (tm).

[O. Van Bruce]

Chum

My scores:

EoSD: Haven't bothered to make a proper scoring route
PCB: Same thing as EoSD
^My main reason for not scoring in this games is that I've never been able to make the Vsync patch work
IN: 2.600.000.000 Reimu & Yukari... haven't tried a solo score.
MoF: 1.100.000.000
SA: asdasdasd... It's just too much abuse of the graze system. Don't like it.
UFO: Shitty score -> 850.000.000 but it took me 2 1/2 months of grinding
FW: 38.000.000
TD: lulz... did scoring once and it was so broken that I left it. 900.000.000

[shmuppyLove]

Also the OP seems like he's joking around for attention anyway.

But actually, I have really enjoyed LLS so far, got the Easy clear out of the way quickly and probably tonight I'm gonna start playing Normal and get that focus button mapped that I didn't know about before.

And hey if some people got a laugh then great, we're all here to have a good time, right?

[chum]

Chum
^My main reason for not scoring in this games is that I've never been able to make the Vsync patch work

That sucks... Can't blame you there. I don't have much experience with PCB (it's very anal and the room for planning and optimization is quite ridiculous) but I can tell you that getting just a decent score in EoSD - on normal - has proven more difficult for me than clearing the hardest touhou games on Lunatic (UFO, PoDD)
I didn't even go for anything close to the WR and It's still hard. Getting a "perfect" (survival-wise) Extra clear is easier than getting just an adequate stage 3 score - on normal. Crazy game.

TD: lulz... did scoring once and it was so broken that I left it. 900.000.000

Yeah that game is crap.

I'm assuming you're playing on normal, maybe that's why they're boring? I know personally that I can't enjoy GFW on normal at all, I need to play it on lunatic and It's fun to go for high scores there.

Also the OP seems like he's joking around for attention anyway.

But actually, I have really enjoyed LLS so far, got the Easy clear out of the way quickly and probably tonight I'm gonna start playing Normal and get that focus button mapped that I didn't know about before.

And hey if some people got a laugh then great, we're all here to have a good time, right?

Right, I just wasn't sure if you were actually, you know, playing the game or just messing around

LLS is a bit easy for my tastes but I guess pointing out easy games was the original point of the thread after all, may I suggest Lethal Thunder then? You might beat that one on your first try.

[Hagane]

Kinda offtopic, but is there a way to run Touhou games fullscreen at 4:3 in a widescreen monitor? Because playing them all stretched is awful and I'd avoid playing them windowed if I could.

[shmuppyLove]

Kinda offtopic, but is there a way to run Touhou games fullscreen at 4:3 in a widescreen monitor? Because playing them all stretched is awful and I'd avoid playing them windowed if I could.

Might depends on which games you're talking about ... for the PC-98 ones, I think there is a way to enforce aspect ratio in fullscreen mode, but that would be emulator-dependent. I've been using Anex68 and I don't think it's been stretching the picture ... I could be wrong though.

For the newer Windows ones, you will probably have to pick a 4:3 resolution and then tell your monitor not to stretch it; not all monitors will have this options, unfortunately. If you poke around in the monitor's settings, you should be able to find something about how to display 4:3 signals.

[O. Van Bruce]

Kinda offtopic, but is there a way to run Touhou games fullscreen at 4:3 in a widescreen monitor? Because playing them all stretched is awful and I'd avoid playing them windowed if I could.

you could try using Sizer

TD: lulz... did scoring once and it was so broken that I left it. 900.000.000

Yeah that game is crap.

I'm assuming you're playing on normal, maybe that's why they're boring? I know personally that I can't enjoy GFW on normal at all, I need to play it on lunatic and It's fun to go for high scores there.

It's not that the games are easy... it's that the scoring mechanics are dull and boring... I played then until I realized that there are more fun shmups out there to score.

[Thanuris]

MoF scoring is the best scoring, how is it boring if you only have to no miss. (no stupid milking shit unless you are aiming for a WR)

EDIT: why did i say no bomb, i'm retarded

[Zengeku3]

Seconding that. MoF's patterns are challenging and awesome and the scoring is very closely tied to survival so it's very cool. It's something that you can approach and get some relatively decent scores in without planning at all. To get some good scores you'll of course have to optimize but it's by no means a boring scoring system unless you mean to say that the game itself is boring.

To mister O. Van Bruce: What difficulty is that 1.1 bil set it? Normal? If so try, taking it up a few notches. Might make scoring considerably more rewarding for you.

[Seppo Hovi]

Chum

My scores:

EoSD: Haven't bothered to make a proper scoring route
PCB: Same thing as EoSD
^My main reason for not scoring in this games is that I've never been able to make the Vsync patch work
IN: 2.600.000.000 Reimu & Yukari... haven't tried a solo score.
MoF: 1.100.000.000
SA: asdasdasd... It's just too much abuse of the graze system. Don't like it.
UFO: Shitty score -> 850.000.000 but it took me 2 1/2 months of grinding
FW: 38.000.000
TD: lulz... did scoring once and it was so broken that I left it. 900.000.000

Difficulties and shots?

Going for optimal score-routes always is harder than clearing the game. I've spent much more time on IN easy, which is considered really easy, than I spent clearing rest of the series on lunatic. Well, maybe not that much. And I still am not within 100M of the WR. Depressing.

May I suggest you to try Windows Touhou, OP?

[Chaos Phoenixma]

1 billion in MoF isn't too bad regardless of difficulty. Not great though. Unless it's Extra, then damn you're good.

[K.B.]

The fact of the matter is that few people (non-fans) have any interest in learning how to score because they think their opinions are informed anyway and will happily dismiss these games because everyone else does.

Come on man. Antagonism doesn't help.

And you can just as easily have a good challenge playing these games for survival (ex: UFO, ultra patches, NMNB runs). Sure, if you like scoring then go for it, but it isn't a requirement. Scoring sent this thread on one hell of a tangent.

[Zengeku3]

1 billion in MoF isn't too bad regardless of difficulty. Not great though. Unless it's Extra, then damn you're good.

If it's Lunatic then it's pretty bad actually, if you're a decent survival player in Touhou but if you're not then a score like 1.1 bil on Lunatic is pretty okay. I'd say.
And it's totally not to defend my own position of having 1.05 bil on Lunatic in what indeed was a pretty crappy run.

[Chaos Phoenixma]

Better than how I got 1.06 billion with MarisaBugged. I planned to beat that score with a legit character, then I never got around to doing it.

I do have over a billion on Easy though.

[Zengeku3]

Better than mine. I'm at 900M at both Easy and Normal iirc but I never really wanted to improve them. Lower difficulties being not that interesting and all.

[O. Van Bruce]

hey guys... i didn't post those scores to brag.

Chun asked me if i has tried to score so i just made clear that i did.

you can check most of my scores on genkyo.org though most of then are old and the new ones are post-competitive.

anyway i'm amused by how the "lunatic" players jumped with murderous intent...

PD: i mostly score on normal with the simplest scoring shot.

PD: damm it's slow to write ona PSP

[Zengeku3]

It's cool man. I was just curious as to what difficulty you were scoring on.

[shmuppyLove]

omg you guys

you're ruining my thread



ahahah j/k

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[K.B.]

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