Playing for score sucks

[power UP]

Read the article he makes an distincion between wiggling and using your whole body as you do in a real sport.
The former is nothing more than some kind of needling competition with visual feedback.

[100BilWarrior]

I am somehow convinced that I agree with Icycalm's point to a strong extent, but I don't think that "playing for score" stops at videogames. I can't remember ever playing, say, Rugby matches without keeping track of points.

Have you read the essay? He explains that scoring is ESSENTIAL for primitive videogames, and that they CAN'T work without it, but as the immersion increases, it becomes more and more harmful, until finally even the aspies can see that a score in GTA or Deus Ex or Shenmue would fuck the immersion up.

Read the essay, Rando, and then post. Don't be like all the others.

[Obscura]

So, you're saying that the goals of an arcade SHMUP are closer to the goals of Fallout or Planescape: Torment than they are to the goals of, say, Donkey Kong?

WTF.

[moozooh]

Is there a single reason we should read your essay?

1. We enjoy playing our games as we do.
2. We disagree with the notion that playing for score sucks.
3. You're a hateful egomaniac whose only purpose in this community is to be a universal laughing stock.

You can go and brag how you're dropping off 20-foot cliffs on your surfboard and wrestling bears with a toothbrush, but it doesn't make the situation any less laughable; in fact, it's the opposite. It's you who always has something to prove, even when nobody asks, and you do so in the most offensive, arrogant, and clueless way possible, as reflected by your repeated generalizations and other mind-reading magic.

I suggest strong tranquilizers, they may help you.

[100BilWarrior]

So, you're saying that the goals of an arcade SHMUP are closer to the goals of Fallout or Planescape: Torment than they are to the goals of, say, Donkey Kong?

Not Donkey Kong, but Pong and Asteroids.

The turning point is stage progression. Stage progression nullifies the need for a scoring system, and from then on the scoring system is harmful because it leads outside the game (i.e. to your autistic strategizing about stick-wiggling) instead of further inside.

Again: read the essay. Or at least hold your peace until the picture-book is done, if you have trouble with parsing more than 5 lines at a time.

[Teufel_in_Blau]

100BilWarrior you should really calm down a little bit. This is not meant in an offensive way, just don't take it so seriously.

I remember when I first discovered the shmups forum it was via the "Gaming Hacks" Book from O'Reilly in which there was a chapter about shmups and this forum. The author of the chapter also had an own site (shoot-the-core) and I think it was on his site (I'm not sure anymore, though) that he linked to Icys Arcade Article. It was the very first time that somebody actually explained why credit feeding was bad and what made this games actually so good. I was quite impressed at the time and read tons of stuff from him. But I never made an account because I was afraid he would ban me second I post since my English is really in great need of improvement.

Anyway, one day I discovered that he actually posted the arcade link here in this forum and got trolled to hell and back. I'm not sure if the reason was because he had already a bad reputation on this forum or people were just not in a "good mood". It was kinda sad to see thb, because even though today I see the mistakes he made, I have yet to read an article about japanese arcades that is better than his.

He changed at some point in his life very radical. I mean just read this: http://insomnia.ac/japan/

He writes about gigantic cockroaches, his problems with the the garbage, how he meet an old prostitute on his odyssey for food and his passing acquaintance with a gay couple while he was waiting to get a CAVE shirt.

When I would go just after this I would say he is a pretty cool guy that I would like to have a beer or two. But now...?

If he wouldn't insult people left and right, I bet we would get much more intellectual attention. Also I doubt this thread will survive this weekend.

[Obscura]

So, you're saying that the goals of an arcade SHMUP are closer to the goals of Fallout or Planescape: Torment than they are to the goals of, say, Donkey Kong?

Not Donkey Kong, but Pong and Asteroids.

The turning point is stage progression. Stage progression nullifies the need for a scoring system, and from then on the scoring system is harmful because it leads outside the game (i.e. to your autistic strategizing about stick-wiggling) instead of further inside.

Again: read the essay. Or at least hold your peace until the picture-book is done, if you have trouble with parsing more than 5 lines at a time.

So, you're saying that Donkey Kong's looping progression where any player will easily get past the first "loop" after at most 2 or 3 credits is somehow materially different than no stage progression at all?

[100BilWarrior]

Yes, it's a spectrum. Google it.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

You guys should really make an effort to actually read the essay. At any rate I've started the picture-book with a friend, so maybe that will help.

I just can't, sorry, the guy is just too wrapped up in himself that he goes as far as insulting everybody in the first page. I enjoyed some of his essays in the past but now i'm not as jaded about videogames as I were a year or two ago.

Edit: I'ld say that Teufel_in_Blau is correct in his last post.

[100BilWarrior]

And he even mentions TRANSITIONAL titles within the spectrum, like Pac-Man, which "though they did feature distinct stages, these were hardly that distinct, thereby still necessitating some kind of progress-indicating score".

[power UP]

Why bother.

[Skykid]

Why bother.

INDEED.

Is there a single reason we should read your essay?

1. We enjoy playing our games as we do.
2. We disagree with the notion that playing for score sucks.
3. You're a hateful egomaniac whose only purpose in this community is to be a universal laughing stock.

You can go and brag how you're dropping off 20-foot cliffs on your surfboard and wrestling bears with a toothbrush, but it doesn't make the situation any less laughable; in fact, it's the opposite. It's you who always has something to prove, even when nobody asks, and you do so in the most offensive, arrogant, and clueless way possible, as reflected by your repeated generalizations and other mind-reading magic.

I suggest strong tranquilizers, they may help you.

Lmao, ruling post.

[100BilWarrior]

Why bother.

I can't believe that no one else here besides you and zinger can understand this. Surely, there MUST be a few more.

[Gus]

Why bother.

I can't believe that no one else here besides you and zinger can understand this. Surely, there MUST be a few more.

Because most people here can see that it's dumb to let some shitplayer tell them what they can and can't enjoy.

[Drum]

So I guess 100BilWarrior is icycalm? ok

[BareKnuckleRoo]

http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Unwarra ... Importance

[BIL]

Why bother.

I can't believe that no one else here besides you and zinger can understand this. Surely, there MUST be a few more.

A bitter casual player desperately attempts to invert reality so that players who enjoy videogames beyond pretty pictures and scrubby "clears" will be the shallow ones.

So the article reads like Tim Rogers and Recap jacked off into a cup and dashed the result onto an IGN shooter review.

As the ubermensch himself would say: lol

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Why bother.

I just realised im in here when I can be playing Futari

[Ruldra]

It's really funny to see all these 2012 and 2011 accounts calling a bad player the best videogame theorist and critic in the world

Oh wow...still a crazy egomaniac I see. Never change icy.

Please stop referring to yourself in third-person though.

[chum]

this is one of the funniest things i've ever read

i literally do not even

[O. Van Bruce]

Skimmed through the article and it's obvious that this guy has no idea of the people he's talking about... The very concept of saying that people who likes to score have aspergher it's so wrong...

To those that will reply with "read the article" I won't do it. Why? You know... I'm actually quite fond of discussing things with people, almost on a bad way since I tend to chage even my own views to do a twist and see the subject of the debate on a whole new view, but heck, I can't stand someone who is insulting and trying to make the other side on the debate look like aspies... I mean, any debate and argument need to have some kind rules on how you behave.

About the article, I think we may be watching a sever case of Slave Moral as Nietzche explained on his Genealogy of Good and Evil since he wants to make us think that we MUST stop enjoying shmups on a higher level than the mainstream audience just because he doesn't understand why we do.

[zinger]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5169586/aspies.PNG

[Giest118]

Why is anyone giving these fags the time of day, I mean really

[Lance Boyle]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5169586/aspies.PNG

Breathtaking.

[RNGmaster]

Um, whoa, this is amazing on the level of the djinn flyssa thread. Just when you thought a person couldn't be more wrong, he pulls another crippling character flaw out of his ass. I mean, icycalm, in the flesh, using a sockpuppet to defend his half-assed ideas about how videogames work and call everyone who disagrees with him an aspie? I feel like I'm in the presence of a legend here.

Thread ended after naut's post, but it's enjoyable to watch icy's desperate self-fellatio.

[Drum]

Um, whoa, this is amazing on the level of the djinn flyssa thread. Just when you thought a person couldn't be more wrong, he pulls another crippling character flaw out of his ass. I mean, icycalm, in the flesh, using a sockpuppet to defend his half-assed ideas about how videogames work and call everyone who disagrees with him an aspie? I feel like I'm in the presence of a legend here.

Thread ended after naut's post, but it's enjoyable to watch icy's desperate self-fellatio.

He has done this numerous times on several different forums.

[Ghegs]

Yeah, I really don't see a future for the thread beyond this. We have a good deal with Icycalm going - he stays in his own little universe (where he is always right, where his opinion is all that matters and everybody else is just plain wrong in every conceivable way and where he is the Greatest Thing That Ever Has Appeared Or Will Appear In The Entirety Of The Cosmos) and the rest of us stay in the real world, where people enjoy different things for different reasons and that's quite okay.