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Icarus wrote:Stating that sex is wrong because you were exposed to something that could put you off it - like extreme S&M, scat etc - shows that you're not desensitised to things like this, or your world-view is too narrow.
Whoa bro. I never said sex was wrong. In fact
circuitface wrote:I still have sex with my partner on a regular basis
circuitface wrote:All that isn't to say it isn't somewhat necessary for a healthy emotional state.
I'm not sure where all the confusion from my comment is coming from. We share the same argument. People are very defensive about sex.
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And @Ed, I'm just saying there are some pretty great ways to get your kicks without having to be a total creep about it. If you put a scale in front of me with "Have someone shit in your mouth" on one side and "Go parachuting!" on the other I'm gonna jump out of the plane. And maybe shit my pants on the way down, doubling the fun.
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Protip: nothing gives you a better sexual appetite like a near-death experience. Like BASE and bungee jumping.
Snowboarding works quite well for me, lol.
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circuitface wrote:And @Ed, I'm just saying there are some pretty great ways to get your kicks without having to be a total creep about it. If you put a scale in front of me with "Have someone shit in your mouth" on one side and "Go parachuting!" on the other I'm gonna jump out of the plane. And maybe shit my pants on the way down, doubling the fun.
Not trying to pull you down for that, just trying to completely analyze the issue.
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Skykid wrote:Realism is completely besides the point. Bruce Willis, Van Damme and Arnie were unrealistic, but that didn't stop kids from thinking they could take on the world.

It was what Kintaro achieved through perseverance that's important. Fictional characters are perfect for instilling a message of positivity or moral justice, something Anime/manga was loaded with in the era of Ashita no Joe and Space Adventure Cobra amongst others.
The aforementioned One Piece and Naruto (presumably Bleach too, but I neither read nor watch it) are full of shounen manga archetypes who persevere stuff all the time. Then there are "realistic" (i.e. no superpowers) stories like Hajime no Ippo and Kaleido Star where the characters also persevere a lot. This Japanese take on didacticism is alive and kicking.
Tell you what is unrealistic: blaming the "industry entertainment" for the way society shapes up. It's like saying your children are no good because video games and TV shows did stuff to them. Shitty parents tend to do this whenever their dumb offspring does something stupid enough to catch everybody's attention.
If kids refuse to grow up, it's because the adults around them are not compelling examples of adulthood - simple as that. Evangelion's "do not want" note stuck a chord with the audience that was already there.
Skykid wrote:I think Evangelion's character exploration is fine as long as it remains a unique example, but having a version of Shinji in every facet of anime/gaming/manga thereafter is the perfect formula for debilitating the libidos of your young male target audience.
Evangelion's cast of characters (not just archetypes) is pretty unique, though. I disagree about Shinji being all that omnipresent from Evangelion onwards. Analogically, Conan the Barbarian as brought to life by Robert E. Howard is not really a common kind of hero. The only character I found to carry on this very brand of misanthropy would be Cerebus the Aardvark, although Gokudo comes close with a twist (maybe Suzumiya Haruhi and Anton L. by a stretch). As for Shinji, at the moment I can't think of a single manga or anime character a lot like him (except for Gendou Ikari, obviously). Being whiny and adolescent doesn't cut it.
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I think I've already had my fill of YT in this thread...roll the dice again? Y/N
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Obiwanshinobi wrote: Tell you what is unrealistic: blaming the "industry entertainment" for the way society shapes up. It's like saying your children are no good because video games and TV shows did stuff to them. Shitty parents tend to do this whenever their dumb offspring does something stupid enough to catch everybody's attention.
You're smart but you're not that smart.

Are you seriously posturing that media and industry has no influence in shaping society? Entertainment media is absolutely responsible for the projection of lifestyle and the formulation of social trends in the modern world, especially amongst youth. If you don't believe that, you must be living up a tree.

Just because daddy tells his son to stop talking like a twat, dressing like an idiot, cutting his wrists and listening to garbage music, it doesn't necessarily work when the kid feels more of a connection to a morose media influenced lifestyle than his daggy parents. They could always beat the shit out of him, but that would probably lead to a bit of Nine Inch Nails and attempted suicide.
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Skykid wrote:Are you seriously posturing that media and industry has no influence in shaping society? Entertainment media is absolutely responsible for the projection of lifestyle and the formulation of social trends in the modern world, especially amongst youth. If you don't believe that, you must be living up a tree.
I don't really know what "lifestyle" is, but I don't believe the "entertainment industry" has the sort of power that makes anybody give up on sex (although perhaps being exposed to hardcore pornography or a sight of sexual intercourse in one's childhood can damage one's mental health).
Skykid wrote:Just because daddy tells his son to stop talking like a twat, dressing like an idiot, cutting his wrists and listening to garbage music, it doesn't necessarily work when the kid feels more of a connection to a morose media influenced lifestyle than his daggy parents. They could always beat the shit out of him, but that would probably lead to a bit of Nine Inch Nails and attempted suicide.
Do you think bringing up kids is about telling them to do or not to do stuff? Really...
A hint - the connection kids feel to their parents is always strong. That makes it pretty tough to bear when the parents are not quite up to the task.
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Skykid wrote:
circuitface wrote: Anyway, back on topic, doesn't Japan have a horrible overpopulation problem anyway? It could be a natural response.
It's got an ageing population problem, first and foremost. Codgers who are too old to drive productivity and economy.
They need more bonking to ensure there's a decent pool of kids to hit the grindstone and surrender their lives to the worlds strictest corporate rat wheel.

I'm going to assume the rest of your post was sarcasm, cos I really can't tell.
That is the problem, yes -- the causes are many and there are only two solutions. Bitch all you want about people not fucking, which is a huge problem, but the bigger problem is the cost involved with raising a little punk. Rent, school, juku... all this shit to have an on par kid. It's fucking overwhelming. Trust me. Who the fuck would want to sign up for that? Then the father get to deal w/ the pressures of a shit job, and the mother with probably a bunch of a gossipy cunt moms in the neighborhood.

As the population declines and the economy deflates, one would hope there is a rock bottom, and things turn around. In all my days here which is most of my adult life, I can see a HUGE difference in cost of many things: rent and moving is one. However, that's not to say it's not drama free. Some landlords refuse to wake up and smell the economy, and try to charge ridiculous move in fees. Others are smarter. I just got a place with only a month deposit and a month to the agent. A true steal, and I like that place to boot! Some places are still asking 1 agent, 2 deposit, and 2 gift money. Fucktards. One place was asking 1/1/1, and it was on 4F w/ no elevator. I told him I'd take it if they knocked off the gift money. He refused, as did I. With my new place, I do have to pay a months rent to renew the lease after 2 years though. My guess is, when my son is 30, all of these things will be gone, as the young people will eventually be sick of being nickel-and-dimed their whole lives.

I'm no economist in the least, but I know why I wouldn't have another child and I know the hardships of a single one. It's brutal. If I had another, I'd have to move out into the suburbs and now you're talking about adding an extra hour at least of my life each day in commuting. Fuck that.

To paint it very vanilla, Japan has only one way to effectively fix the long term problem now, and that's open the immigration flood gates. The infrastructure and ridiculous costs require people, and Japanese are clearly not going to up their numbers. As the population declines, the economy will deflate, like it has been for the last 20 years. Land prices go down, people quit buying, etc. etc. It ain't pretty folks. It was nice to learn Japanese back in the 90s as a strong "business language". Now it's just for porn cartoons.

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^^^ I wish I had written that.. :oops:

But yeah - that's been exactly my experience as well. There is NO WAY I can have another child here, and I already live in the suburbs. In fact, I'm doing everything in my power to make sure my boy doesn't grow up in Japan.. Lest he end up being another example of exactly what this thread is about. That and I refuse to pay 40,000 yen for those stupid fucking backpacks the elementary kids are required to get..
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rancor wrote: That and I refuse to pay 40,000 yen for those stupid fucking backpacks the elementary kids are required to get..
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rancor wrote:That and I refuse to pay 40,000 yen for those stupid fucking backpacks the elementary kids are required to get..
40,000...

Jesus H Christ. Just give the kid any bag, as long as it holds his books or whatever.
Obiwanshinobi wrote:I don't really know what "lifestyle" is, but I don't believe the "entertainment industry" has the sort of power that makes anybody give up on sex (although perhaps being exposed to hardcore pornography or a sight of sexual intercourse in one's childhood can damage one's mental health).
You don't know what 'lifestyle' is? :idea:
Watch five minutes of adverts and you'll know. It's that fabricated thing they wrap music, products and programmes in to sell things to people. Cars, holidays, sofas, electronics... videogames. Everything, basically.
The entertainment industry has total power of manipulation, and they're masterful with it. It sets people up as consumers, teaches them false values and aspirations, and dangles carrots in their faces they can never reach.

It doesn't have the power to make someone give up on sex, but it can definitely make already insecure kids more comfortable about giving up on trying to have sex, sure.
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Those bags are the biggest fucking racket I've ever heard of. You HAVE to have that kind for public schools. Someone high up at that factory is blowing someone at the Ministry of Education.
Jesus H Christ. Just give the kid any bag, as long as it holds his books or whatever.
But then you might be able to tell the children apart, and we know what that leads to.
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circuitface wrote:Ever since the first time I saw a cartoon girl get split in half by a giant spiked tentacle dick I have been severely less interested in sex. When you see the depths a broken human psyche can take something that was supposed to be beautiful down to such a base and psychotic level the whole idea becomes ruined on you.
People assume that my aversion to teh pr0n is the result of some religious conviction. Well, I've looked at my share, but for the stuff that's been mentioned on this thread (like what they've seen in J-pr0n), my exposure has been completely miniscule in comparison. There are just too many things easily viewable these days, thanks to the Net, that are "things you can't unsee." I've encountered a few things myself that have deeply bothered me. Sex is supposed to be something very beautiful, but it's become so detached from one's soul and has been made a spectacle that undermines both men and women (mostly women though). Call me a Christian moron or a feminist, but that's how I see it.
Blackbird wrote:I think I understand the point he's getting it. Particularly people that think with their junk, then get trapped in a terrible relationship/divorce because they aren't thinking with their best judgment. I've seen it happen many times. Or even just associating with bad people that you wouldn't otherwise. Attraction can make you less discriminating about the people you become involved with.
This is wisdom. Women particularly fall into the trap of getting into bad relationships because of their fear of being alone. Then again, women are far more susceptible to codependency issues then men are. My wife has a friend who is so afraid of being alone that she's gone from one bad relationship to another. Her father was abusive, so she ends up in abusive relationships. Odd how that happens.
Skykid wrote:It's not about sex controlling you, it's about you struggling to suppress your natural sex drive. It wouldn't be a problem if we didn't live under outdated Christian moral/social codes, as we'd all be able to have six wives and bang them in rotation.
You obviously aren't married. I have a difficult enough time keeping one woman happy. I'd be crazy to try to manage more than one. The only way this could work is in a society where women's roles are drastically marginalized and they are more of a commodity (Islam, Mormon fundamentalists, etc).

Going back to the topic at hand, there are plenty of women in Japan who are fed up with twerpy male stereotypes. There's the traditional Japanese man with a "mother complex" who will do anything his mom says and ignores his wife, and has never done anything nice for his wife's birthday or anything like that, much less telling her "I love her" and just expects her to cook and clean. Then there are these prettyboys in the picture shown earlier who basically look like women, and these metrosexual doorknobs pay more attention to themselves than any woman. I think there are plenty of Japanese women who get sick of this crap and would rather have a guy who treats them well and might have a little hair on his chest. These are the women who typically marry foreign men, heh. Actually, I've read that Chinese men are viewed as more romantic than Japanese men.
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Jesus H Christ. Just give the kid any bag, as long as it holds his books or whatever.
But then you might be able to tell the children apart, and we know what that leads to.
Guilt?

@greg I'm only dicking around (no pun intended).
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Gaijinpunch wrote: But then you might be able to tell the children apart, and we know what that leads to.
Guilt?
No, discrimination. In Japan, everybody has to be the same. Ten years ago, when I was teaching junior high in Himeji, I would give stickers and erasers from 100 yen shops as prizes for bingo games and such, to motivate the students. I began doing the same thing for this elementary school job too. Today I got a fax from my boss telling me that I cannot do this anymore. I spoke with one of the J-teachers, and he said that the underachievers will feel bad and resentful if they don't win. :roll: This is pathetic, but everyone must be treated equally, for better or worse.
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I was actually going to say "free thinking" but if shoe fits...
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rancor wrote:In fact, I'm doing everything in my power to make sure my boy doesn't grow up in Japan.. Lest he end up being another example of exactly what this thread is about.
I think that the reason why Japanese guys are retards is because their fathers are retards. We can blame Shinji from Evangelion and the lack of strong role models in Japanese entertainment all day, and I will completely agree with Skykid on that one. However, a boy's #1 role model needs to be his father. If his father is never around because he overworks himself (which is mostly just a facade anyway) and stays out late drinking and such, romance won't seem very appealing to him. One of the problems with Japanese culture is that parents just don't talk about "the birds and the bees" with their children. Dumbass conservatives in America and such are guilty of this too. If a boy's knowledge of sex does not come from a positive example in the home, then you can bet that it'll be coming from that tentacle crap. Maybe this is TMI, but I had to spell things out for my wife about the subject after we got engaged. Plenty of J-girls grow up thinking that sex is something "ecchi" and they just don't have any knowledge about it. Maybe they figure out how to flick the switch, but their parents aren't telling them what they need to know.

People who grow up in abusive households tend to involve their own families in abuse somehow. I have seen this plenty of times with acquaintances and in my extended family. Heck, divorce itself is enough to ruin a person's outlook on marriage. I am an abnormality since my parents never were divorced. Heck, I recently found out a few years ago that my dad had cheated on my mom way back before my older sister was born. I'd say that's plenty grounds for divorce, but Dad apparently did a 180 turn on that road and set himself straight (for the most part, but I won't get into that). Kids who grow up with parents who have a loveless marriage will have a difficult time with the concept of marriage and commitment themselves. This problem exists in Western culture as well as in Japan and such. We're just seeing different symptoms emanating from the same problem. In other words, the same problem will have different manifestations in different cultures.

As with GP, I am hoping for the pendulum to swing in Japanese society to the direction in which people will just get sick of putting up with crap, and also to embrace immigration and such. Maybe they need new leadership from a new PM (Koizumi wasn't so bad), but apparently the PMs are selected after fierce contests of paper/rock/scissors. As it is, there is more of a tendency for Japanese fathers to refrain from going out drinking. Perhaps the economy is the motivation behind that, though.

I didn't know about those expensive backpacks, though. Yikes. They look rather sturdy, so hopefully they'll last for several years. This is also why I'm wanting to stay in the more rural towns and such. I can rent a 3 bedroom apartment for half the price of a studio in Tokyo.
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GaijinPunch wrote:Those bags are the biggest fucking racket I've ever heard of. You HAVE to have that kind for public schools. Someone high up at that factory is blowing someone at the Ministry of Education.
Jesus H Christ. Just give the kid any bag, as long as it holds his books or whatever.
But then you might be able to tell the children apart, and we know what that leads to.
sorry for offtopic: would it be possible to just give your second child the backpack your first child had? OR IMPOSSIBRU?
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greg wrote:No, discrimination. In Japan, everybody has to be the same. Ten years ago, when I was teaching junior high in Himeji, I would give stickers and erasers from 100 yen shops as prizes for bingo games and such, to motivate the students. I began doing the same thing for this elementary school job too. Today I got a fax from my boss telling me that I cannot do this anymore. I spoke with one of the J-teachers, and he said that the underachievers will feel bad and resentful if they don't win. :roll: This is pathetic, but everyone must be treated equally, for better or worse.
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As it is, there is more of a tendency for Japanese fathers to refrain from going out drinking. Perhaps the economy is the motivation behind that, though.
Well, once you have a kid it's basically illegal to be male in Japan. The fathers are quite often put in the back seat.
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rancor wrote:In fact, I'm doing everything in my power to make sure my boy doesn't grow up in Japan.. Lest he end up being another example of exactly what this thread is about.
I think that the reason why Japanese guys are retards is because their fathers are retards. We can blame Shinji from Evangelion and the lack of strong role models in Japanese entertainment all day, and I will completely agree with Skykid on that one. However, a boy's #1 role model needs to be his father. If his father is never around because he overworks himself (which is mostly just a facade anyway) and stays out late drinking and such, romance won't seem very appealing to him.
I completely agree with this, although it's no absolute. A lot of kids these days are born into single parent families (it's practically the norm in East London) and in many cases they're well grounded and have enormous respect for women because a mother is all they had. That's where positive male role models outside of the home is most important.

I agree growing up in a loveless partnership however, is never going to be a good basis for learning how to be in a relationship. Isn't this Japan's fundamental problem in the first place? It's not an openly emotional society anyway; I expect there are very few kids who ever learn how to be close to the opposite sex from living with their parents. :idea:
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Skykid wrote:… as we'd all be able to have six wives and bang them in rotation.
I think most people here would have difficulty managing six wives, given how hard people find managing a smallish backlog of games.
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Skykid wrote:Naw, I get what you're saying (and Blackbird's clarification), I just think a lot of the frustration comes from a natural carnal instinct that's impossible to sate unless you're a muslim, a mormon or a published rap artist.

If divorce could be sorted in a day for a nominal fee, life would probably be better. Unfortunately offspring tend to fuck all that up.

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Seeing the DHM logo in the corner of picture of a molested female Sinji makes me weep

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Im starting to wonder with all this gender swapping if Japan is getting its own version of a 3rd gender like the Fa'afafine & Mahu
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TrevHead (TVR) wrote:Seeing the DHM logo in the corner makes me weep
I've hated Dark Horse Comics from the times they were censoring Ghost In The Shell and Gunsmith Cats, as well as their Manga Erotica translations for Eros Comix. It doesn't surprise me they'd publish a suckass title such as that one 8)
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Some of it reminds me of Steve Carrell's apartment in The 40-Year Old Virgin. I figure, you could still remain interested in sex, but you just couldn't bring anyone back to your place :twisted:
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Dark Horse are actually the ones currently reprinting the Cardcaptor Sakura manga here.
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I havnt really followed them closely but I do know they have an awesome back catalog so its a shame seeing them go downhill.
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I'm always circumspect of anything Dark Horse prints. I try to avoid censored junk like the plague - and Dark Horse are one of the worst examples of it :evil:
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Whoa, Dark Horse censors stuff? Thought the last US manga publisher to do that was the late Tokyopop.

They haven't messed with Berserk, have they?
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