Best Top 5 Old Skool Shoot Em Up's On Recent Systems???

[lettuce]

What are considered to be the best top 5 shoot em ups for the main gaming system of the past say 15 years, im talking about old school type shoot em ups, not these new bullet hell type. I put some out there in no order and see if theres any gems im missing.....

SNES
1. Axelay
2. R-Type 3: Third Lightning
3. Space Megaforce/Super Aleste
4. UN Squadron
5. Gradius 3/Parodius

MegaDrive
1. Thunderforce IV
2. Zero Wing
3. Musha
4. Twin Hawk
5. Darius 2

Playstation
1. R-Type Delta
2. Raiden Project
3. RayStorm
4. Gradius Gaiden
5. Thunder Force V

Sega Saturn
1. Radiant Silvergun
2. Gunbird
3. Metal black
4. Sonic Wings
5. Battle Garegga

DreamCast
1. Ikaruga
2. Under Defeat
3. Bangai-O
4. GigaWing
5. Zero Gunner 2

Playstation 2
1. Gradius 5
2. R-Type Final
3. Raiden 3
4. Thunder Force VI
5. Giga Wings Generations

So what current gen systems have these type of shoot em ups on them, i know the 360 has Raiden 4 and Raiden Fighters Aces but any others?

[dunpeal2064]

How are Battle Garegga and Giga Wing Generations not bullet hell?

[Vamos]

snes , megadrive and playstation are recent systems?

[lettuce]

snes , megadrive and playstation are recent systems?

in the last 15 years....yes. They were still making snes games in 1996

[Aguraki]

How are Battle Garegga and Giga Wing Generations not bullet hell?

and Ikaruga

also I doubt snes and megadrive games were 96 and +.
all good games tho.
I never liked axelay I can't see clear in this game.

isn't radiant ported?

[DEL]

Your SNES list isn't bad.
SNES
1. Axelay
2. R-Type 3: Third Lightning
3. Space Megaforce/Super Aleste
4. UN Squadron
5. Gradius 3/Parodius
I would swap one of them out for Biometal.

DreamCast
1. Ikaruga
2. Under Defeat
3. Bangai-O
4. GigaWing
5. Zero Gunner 2
I would swap out Under Defeat for Border Down .

[lettuce]

Your SNES list isn't bad.
SNES
1. Axelay
2. R-Type 3: Third Lightning
3. Space Megaforce/Super Aleste
4. UN Squadron
5. Gradius 3/Parodius
I would swap one of them out for Biometal.

DreamCast
1. Ikaruga
2. Under Defeat
3. Bangai-O
4. GigaWing
5. Zero Gunner 2
I would swap out Under Defeat for Border Down .

Ill have to look up biometal.

I never really got on with border down

[lettuce]

also I doubt snes and megadrive games were 96 and +.
all good games tho.
I never liked axelay I can't see clear in this game.

isn't radiant ported?

The last SNES model revision to be released in the US was 1997! and one of the last game was Metal Slader Glory apparently in 2000!!!....jesus

[Aguraki]

SNES
1. Axelay September 11, 1992
2. R-Type 3: Third Lightning December 10, 1993
3. Space Megaforce/Super Aleste April 28, 1992
4. UN Squadron 07/26/91
5. Gradius 3/Parodius December 21, 1990/1992

MegaDrive
1. Thunderforce IV July 24, 1992
2. Zero Wing 31 May 1991
3. Musha December 21, 1990
4. Twin Hawk June 23, 1990
5. Darius 2 1990

now what makes a system being part of said period?

[ED-057]

Radiant Silvergun, Ikaruga, Battle Garegga, and Gigawing don`t really strike me as "old skool." You might consider instead the Cotton games, Zanac Neo, Rayforce, and maybe Strikers 1945 etc.

[Marc]

Despite the slow start, I'd say Gynoug woukd have to make a MegaDrive top 5. Some proto-hell patterns on the last two levels, as well as some of the best graphical effects seen on the platform.

[lettuce]

SNES
1. Axelay September 11, 1992
2. R-Type 3: Third Lightning December 10, 1993
3. Space Megaforce/Super Aleste April 28, 1992
4. UN Squadron 07/26/91
5. Gradius 3/Parodius December 21, 1990/1992

MegaDrive
1. Thunderforce IV July 24, 1992
2. Zero Wing 31 May 1991
3. Musha December 21, 1990
4. Twin Hawk June 23, 1990
5. Darius 2 1990

now what makes a system being part of said period?

Errrr cos the system was still in production upto early 2003 that what!!

[mjclark]

As far as PS2 goes, TF VI shouldn't be in best top 5 of anything as it is the very very poorest of the franchise, ditto R-Type Final even if this means only a top 3...
...I spose no one could describe Radilgy and Trizeal as old skool but they're not bullet-hell either and far far superior

[Nasirosuchus]

As far as PS2 goes, TF VI shouldn't be in best top 5 of anything as it is the very very poorest of the franchise, ditto R-Type Final even if this means only a top 3...
...I spose no one could describe Radilgy and Trizeal as old skool but they're not bullet-hell either and far far superior

Radilgy is bullet hell, but not TriZeal.

[Kiken]

What are considered to be the best top 5 shoot em ups for the main gaming system of the past say 15 years, im talking about old school type shoot em ups, not these new bullet hell type. I put some out there in no order and see if theres any gems im missing.....

SNES
1. Axelay
2. R-Type 3: Third Lightning
3. Space Megaforce/Super Aleste
4. UN Squadron
5. Gradius 3/Parodius

Bio-Metal has already been listed. I would definitely drop UN Squadron/Area 88 and Gradius 3 from the list.

MegaDrive
1. Thunderforce IV
2. Zero Wing
3. Musha
4. Twin Hawk
5. Darius 2

Really? Zero Wing? If we're going with a ToaPlan pick, then V V/Grind Stormer makes a hell of lot more sense. I'd definitely drop Twin Hawk and Darius 2/Sagaia in favour of Eliminate Down and Gley Lancer.

Another thing that should be stated is that the term old-skool becomes redundant when talking about shmups released on these consoles... and how do you forget the PC Engine/TurboGrafx?

Playstation
1. R-Type Delta
2. Raiden Project
3. RayStorm
4. Gradius Gaiden
5. Thunder Force V

RayStorm and TFV really don't belong on the list. Alternatives like Zanac Neo and Strikers 1945 Part 2 have already been mentioned (and God I hate to list this, but also Einhander).

Sega Saturn
1. Radiant Silvergun
2. Gunbird
3. Metal black
4. Sonic Wings
5. Battle Garegga

It's already been mentioned, both Radiant Silvergun and Battle Garegga don't belong on the list (and drop Sonic Wings as well). You're better off going with any of the following: Batsugun, Sokyuugurentai, Layer Section/Galactic Attack, Darius Gaiden, Sengoku Blaede or Cotton 2/Cotton Boomerang.

DreamCast
1. Ikaruga
2. Under Defeat
3. Bangai-O
4. GigaWing
5. Zero Gunner 2

Ikaruga and GigaWing definitely class as bullet-hell and don't belong on the list. Bangaio doesn't either, but that's more to do with how we define our genre. As has been mentioned; Trizeal, Twinkle Star Sprites (unconventional, but still worth consideration) and maybe Border Down (I'd consider it closer to bullet hell) or Gunbird 2 (this one probably steps well into bullet hell territory though).

Playstation 2
1. Gradius 5
2. R-Type Final
3. Raiden 3
4. Thunder Force VI
5. Giga Wings Generations

Aside from G5, the whole list is fraudulent. Better possibilities include any of the Psikyo Collections (Dragon Blaze, Strikers 1945 parts 1 & 2, Gunbird 1 & 2, Sengoku Aces & Blaede), Trizeal, The Double Shooting Shienryu or Twinkle Star Sprites La Petite Princess (again, unconvetional but a good choice).

So what current gen systems have these type of shoot em ups on them, i know the 360 has Raiden 4 and Raiden Fighters Aces but any others?

360:
Eschatos
Shooting Love 200X (inlcudes Trizeal and Exzeal)
Seisou Kouki Strania (XBLA)
Raystorm HD (XBLA, also on PSN)
Both Otomedius games (although I'm sure everyone will bitch about how lacklustre they are)

[captpain]

[Casper<3]

I agree completely.

[chempop]

For the most part I agree with Kiken's recommendations, although I haven't played Eliminate Down or Gley Lancer so my Megadrive/Genesis list would look something like this.

1) MUSHA
2) Thunderforce 3 or 4
3) Hellfire
4) Truxton or Raiden Trad
5) Crying/Biohazard Battle or Darius 2

As you can see there are too many I like to choose only 5.

Saturn is also tricky because there are countless worthwhile games, maybe...

1) Layer Section or Batsugun
2) Soukyugurentai
3) Gunbird or Strikers 1945
4) Hyper Duel
5) Darius Gaiden or Thunderforce 5 (many dislike it, but I think it's great)

[BrianC]

No Parodius games listed? Gokujou Parodius Da!! Deluxe Pack for Saturn is good stuff.

[chempop]

Totally spaced Parodius......and Gaiares.

Add those to my picks. While we're at it, don't forget Salamader, Gradius, and Twinbee Deluxe packs.

[Special World]

Gate of Thunder
Twinkle Star Sprites
Eschatos

for all my moneys

[MadScientist]

...I spose no one could describe Radilgy and Trizeal as old skool but they're not bullet-hell either and far far superior

I never really got what people see in Trizeal, as it seemed kinda bland to me. What's the appeal exactly?

[WillHaus]

I never really got what people see in Trizeal, as it seemed kinda bland to me. What's the appeal exactly?

By the way, agree with you. There better things than Trizeal