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CMoon wrote:OK, I went and saw this despite what everyone here (and elsewhere) has said. I went in with lowered expectations and it allowed me to enjoy what worked in this film.

First off, if Carpenter's The Thing did not exist, I don't know if we'd be trashing The Thing (11) so heavily. It is a flawed (at times deeply) enjoyable monster/horror/sci fi film that doesn't cover any new ground. Outside of context, I'd give it a C- (good for one viewing.)

Now on to problems with the film:

a. Lack of characters you can relate to (or even care about.) Truth is, I don't even remember the characters' names now. The Thing (82) took special care to ensure that each character was memorable with their little quirks--and these too made you more likely to suspect certain characters over others. I felt no attachment anyone in The Thing (11), and it is a glaring mistake on the part of scripting. I can't even blame the actors here as I don't think the film ever allowed screen time for character development.

b. Following directly from (a), lack of charm. Regardless of its serious subject matter, The Thing (82) rarely felt deadly serious, and when the going got tough, the characters' seriousness really hit you. There is an attempt early on at a sex joke, but by the end of the first minute, all humor is gone from The Thing (11). This might sound absurd, but Macready's sombrero is sorely missed here.

a & b corollary. Impossible to disentangle bad scripting, bad direction, bad acting, but all come together to emphasize points a & b. Basically it is a charmless film where no one on staff has made any real attempt to connect with the audience. Bleargh!

c. Too much monster, too fast. The thing is on the screen a lot, and it doesn't look particularly good. Every shot of it diminishes the sense of terror and dread. There were some girls screaming in the theatre at the beginning of the film, but by the end they weren't screaming. Why? Because the film had exhausted everything it could muster an hour before the end.

d. Too long. 2/3rds of all the monster screen time probably should have been cut and replaced with (good) characterization, and then the whole thing should have had another 20 minutes edited off of it. Go back and look at The Thing (82) and it works because it is brief, shocking, and leaves you wanting more.

e. Crappy CGI. LOTS OF IT. Very little real effects. Bleargh again.

f. Too normal. Surprisingly in a world with Resident Evil and Silent Hill, big fleshy things with tentacles has been done a million times. The Thing (82) still works because its vision of horror is surreal and sometimes borderline absurd. The weirdness is so much, sometimes characters just stare in disbelief ('you gotta be fuckin' kidding me!'). This is not to say the monster designs weren't at times worthy, but I never felt that first experience of the dog splitting in half and having the plant/flower thing come out of it. This may have been diminished by the CGI. Perhaps these designs would have been incredible if done with practical effects (though I think most would have been impossible.)

g. Too much jump-scare-tactics, not enough dark revelations. Where The Thing (11) ultimately fails to emulate The Thing (82) is its deviation from Carpenter's creeping horror (Lovecraft overtones intended). Instead, this is about things jumping out at you: build, fake jump, relief, real jump. Again and again. Seriously, fuck that. I'm not a teenage girl. The Thing (82) is horror in the sense that it slowly, piece by piece, strips away all humanity, blurs the line between what is human, etc. Perhaps because there are no secrets to be unveiled in this film, the directors might have thought there is no room for hideous revelations, but I think they've made a terrible oversight--being how the disintegration of those characters they never invested in is where we work our way back to 'who goes there?'

Those were my big complaints with the film. All that said, you might think I hated it, but it really wasn't that bad; just so many wasted opportunities. I still don't get why the end got high-jacked by Alien, but honestly, there's nothing in this film that really justifies it being made to begin with. It does feel entirely like a labor of love/fan-fiction project. A film where you care because you already love the source material, not because of the story/characters. If this was meant to build up to some sort of sequel (The Thing gets into the cities), it isn't something I'm terribly interested in seeing if it just means more lame special effects and mediocre acting.

Your review reads like an F-
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CMoon wrote:Crappy CGI. LOTS OF IT. Very little real effects. Bleargh again.
Well, this is interesting, because the first time I heard of this prequel, the director was saying that he was intentionally not going to use much CGI in order to blend in more with the original movie. Perhaps the studio demanded it?
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CMoon wrote:Crappy CGI. LOTS OF IT. Very little real effects. Bleargh again.
Well, this is interesting, because the first time I heard of this prequel, the director was saying that he was intentionally not going to use much CGI in order to blend in more with the original movie. Perhaps the studio demanded it?
There's talk that the director's hands were tied by the studio, which is too bad. CGI looks so generic now.

skykid wrote:Your review reads like an F-
You apparently never saw Patch Adams. No way I could sum up what was wrong with that film even given the whole alphabet. I'm just being thorough here because I love The Thing and I think this new film had potential. I also don't hate cinema like you do. :wink:
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CMoon wrote: You apparently never saw Patch Adams. No way I could sum up what was wrong with that film even given the whole alphabet. I'm just being thorough here because I love The Thing and I think this new film had potential. I also don't hate cinema like you do. :wink:
On the contrary, I adore cinema. That's why I get so vocal every time it's butchered.
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On the contrary, I adore hating cinema. That's why I get so vocal every time it's butchered.
That's what I thought you said...
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CMoon wrote:Crappy CGI. LOTS OF IT. Very little real effects. Bleargh again.
Well, this is interesting, because the first time I heard of this prequel, the director was saying that he was intentionally not going to use much CGI in order to blend in more with the original movie. Perhaps the studio demanded it?
There's talk that the director's hands were tied by the studio, which is too bad. CGI looks so generic now.
I wouldn't be surprised if a studio push for more CG is why the film was delayed from its original April release slot. It would be interesting to see what state the film was in at its original deadline.
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I heard that a lot of the practical effects werent working and had to be touched up with CG. Tom Woodruff actually played all the monsters himself, including the girl ones (??)
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I enjoyed the movie. It's decent fan-service without ruining the original. It's not good, and I don't like the ending (before the credit ending), but I enjoyed it. The animatronic monsters (the few that there were) looked GREAT too, but I was irritated that the forms it took didn't vary much from the original. As the Thing can emulate ANY combination of lifeforms it has come in contact with, there definitely should have been more variety and less whipping tentacles over and over. And the CGI was crap when it was there. Once you see the good animatronics, it's depressing to see em switch to CGI.

As for the script, it's so so. There were a few "did this tech exist then?" moments that were obviously not in the original. The cast was good for what they had....but they were lifelessly written. I can live with that as they're all sacrifices anyway ;)

I was disappointed that the movie wasn't entirely in Norwegian....

Oh yeah....why are there so many flamethrowers on a science station in Antarctica btw? That was kind of weird. They sure jumped to the "burn it!" conclusion awfully fast too....
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Sure, some of the CG EFX, if they were all done with traditional real-time puppetry, animatronics, and green-screen effects, it could've worked out well. But when you see the the autopsy scene with the first victim and his translucent skin effect, it would've taken lots of time to do it with traditional props (hence the studio's decision to go with CG for that particular scene).

I was wondering when some of the infected victims did actually get infected and how (the prequel really doesn't show or explain why some victims harbor the alien cells).

The two hands creatures that seperate and re-join again surely would've taken some imaginative real-time EFX to pull off convincingly if the CG route wasn't taken.

When you stop and watch the original '82 version of TT, any part of the infected human body can and does become the alien creature (which the prequel does show in some novel ways via CG).

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PC Engine Fan X! wrote:But when you see the the autopsy scene with the first victim and his translucent skin effect, it would've taken lots of time to do it with traditional props (hence the studio's decision to go with CG for that particular scene).
Weird. That looked like a prop to me.
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The outside is a prop, the inside is CG. I agree that some effects would have been hard to do without CG, but I also feel that many of the effects they did were really unnecessary. I'd have happily had more dissection with real gore versus CG monster time. Honestly I wish the limits of practical effects would have guided them. The first monster scene when it is hiding under the building munching on a guy and they flame it is quite good. Unfortunately, this is one of the very few scenes using practical effects.

Also, I agree that the monster designs, while interesting, weren't creative enough. Or rather, they just weren't weird enough (as I said above.)

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Yep, that's one of two different action figures that McFarlane Toys made of the classic '82 TT flick. I've got them both still new and unopened.

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Spoony ripped this movie to shreds. I still haven't seen the movie yet, and now I don't think I can.

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I actually really enjoyed the prequel. Although it's not a great movie, it's definitely not a bad movie either. My two biggest problems with it were that it didn't do anything to really surprise me, and the characters were pretty forgettable. That being said, I still really enjoyed the monster effects. The CG wasn't triple A, but the animations were still pretty awesome. Also, the acting was pretty good, unlike in many horror movies.

Basically, if you enjoy the original, you're not too cynical, and you you're ok with the fact that this is basically a remake, you'll probably enjoy the prequel. Again, it's not a bad movie, it's just that it doesn't do anything you haven't seen before. Personally I didn't realize it was a prequel until I saw the ending, which it that much more exciting for me.
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So I watched the new “The Thing 2011” prequel.
Even though it was not as scary or thrilling as the 1982 film with Kurt Rusell, I must say that it was quite good and it had the old-school sci-fi thriller feel into it!
It was very nicely linked to the sequel as it finishes directly at the point where the 1982 film picks up! The scene with the chopper chasing the dog in the Alaskan wilderness is identical. Also many things are explained, even the axe Kurt Russel finds at the Norwegian base stuck in the wooden door is shown in the prequel, the guy with the severed wrists and throat frozen on the chair, as well as the half burned monster with the 2 linked faces that is taken back to the US camp in the 1982 film, is shown how it was created!

But there were a few mistakes:
In the 1982 film, there is a video shown with the Norwegian guys blowing up the ice revealing the buried space-ship and them being photographed circling around the round hole, however in the prequel there was only a tunnel they had dug up and the entire ship was revealed only after its engines were activated thus melting the ice on top and around it.

There were also 2 things left open (Or plot holes depending on the definition) for another sequel or even a prequel before the 1982 film! Half way through the movie, when the chopper leaves to transport the sick guy to the military hospital, they decide to land again when the girl calls them back. At that point the other guy turns into a monster attacking the poor sick guy and the chopper is seen crashing some miles away behind the mountain. Later the 2 pilots return on foot to the base, however it is not made clear what happened to the monster and the sick guy who was attacked on board the chopper?!
For all we know, it could have survived roaming around Antarctica like the dog, or frozen into the ice until another team finds it and then this whole thing could have happened all over again, this time in a populated area which it would have been transported to.

Also, what happened to the girl at the end after she burned the guy who was missing the earring in his left ear? Did she freeze to death in that tracked snow vehicle?! Did she drive to the other Russian camp/base the guy told her about before she burned him? Or did she turn into a monster too as the alien dig grab her leg and drag her out violently at some point in the end?!

The guy she burned at the end, was he really possessed by the alien or did she make a mistake, as her facial expression in the end seems to portray some guilt & doubt?!

Either way, when Kurt Russel’s team arrive with the chopper at the space-ship dig sight, we see none of the 2 tracked snow vehicles which were left there at the end of the prequel and she could not have driven away using both of them!
So what happened to them?!

Also at the end of the 1982 film Kurt Russel and the black guy are left at the destroyed base waiting to see what happens. So we never know if any of the 2 or both of them had been possessed by the monster.

I’m pretty sure there will be another film based on this story, as there is plenty of room left & elements to be used.

So what do you guys think about all this and what other plot holes and interesting details did you spot on these 2 films?
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The problem with The Thing 2011 is that it is a remake and although they have a new scene here and there, the other scenes are just so damn close to the original. Shame on them. What a waste of money. I´ve you´re gonna spend millions at least do womething with it.
A big dissappointment. Really annoying to know everything that´s gonna happen. Remakes should be forbidden.
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A prequel, nah! just putting a few different scenes in it do not make it a prequel. It IS a damn remake, period.
The originals special effects weren´t that bad at all ..... for the time ......Go see the 1982 version. it´s more sweaty and grimmy. This version is too clean.
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Remake with worse actors, directors, special effects, music, dialogue. I've already said too much in previous posts, but this sums it up nicely.
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CMoon wrote:Crappy CGI. LOTS OF IT. Very little real effects. Bleargh again.
Well, this is interesting, because the first time I heard of this prequel, the director was saying that he was intentionally not going to use much CGI in order to blend in more with the original movie. Perhaps the studio demanded it?
Indeed there were practical effects all set and ready to go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2bsXC-uhXQ

If you can't make that work, you need a new director of photography.
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Mischief Maker wrote: Indeed there were practical effects all set and ready to go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2bsXC-uhXQ

If you can't make that work, you need a new director of photography.
I think part of the issue here may be the CG they laid on top of those effects. Ironically, a lot of the props shown in this video are far more unnerving than their appearance in the film.
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^My thoughts exactly. Edvard-thing's face is almost comically benign in the movie's rec room freakout. I was surprised by how much ghastlier it looks in that production clip. The retching mouth, bulging eyes and convulsive straining all look fantastically horrid.

edit: and holy shit, one of the lamest effects in the movie (spaghetti-man in the chopper) looks absolutely nightmarish in practical. Look at those fucking eyes! Again the innate horror of the creature is vastly stronger in the production footage. Sad the finished product was "BWAHH MILLIONS OF CG TENTACLES"

Oh, the movie. Comprehensively dumber than 82, totally unnecessary and yet still somewhat fun in spite of that.
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BIL wrote:^My thoughts exactly. Edvard-thing's face is almost comically benign in the movie's rec room freakout. I was surprised by how much ghastlier it looks in that production clip. The retching mouth, bulging eyes and convulsive straining all look fantastically horrid.

edit: and holy shit, one of the lamest effects in the movie (spaghetti-man in the chopper) looks absolutely nightmarish in practical. Look at those fucking eyes! Again the innate horror of the creature is vastly stronger in the production footage. Sad the finished product was "BWAHH MILLIONS OF CG TENTACLES"

Oh, the movie. Comprehensively dumber than 82, totally unnecessary and yet still somewhat fun in spite of that.
I've decided that a movie monster with a slight advantage over its opponents is infinitely scarier than an unstoppable superbeast unrestrained by the laws of physics. Watching the recroom freakout, here is a creature spontaneously taking on mass, achieving powerful kinetic momentum with its stabby tentacle without any clear muscular behind it, it looks like something out of the matrix.

Contrast this with spider head from the first film, it's no doubt dangerous to touch, but it doesn't suddenly get bigger and certainly isn't overpowering grown men like the disembodied hand beasts in the prequel. Practical effects restrained by the laws of physics create a creature restrained by the laws of physics that is a zillion times more believable.

Carpenter's "The Thing" was a horror film of escalating dread with state of the art special effects added for additional punch. Take away the special effects, you'd still have an effective horror movie. In fact you'd have Carpenter's "Prince of Darkness."

The Thing 2011 is a "How F'ed up is that?" exotic snuff film ala. "Saw" or "Final Destination." Practical or not, strip away the special effects and you have nothing left.
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Yeah, I think if the 2011 The Thing prequel went with just practical EFX (just like with the '82 version), then it would've been better along with a better script/storyline. Sure, the prequel does explain how some scenes in the '82 version occured or the aftermath of them at the other wrecked research base. If the idea of superimposing some slick CGI over the practical EFX would be better, that's a grave mistake to make (after watching that YT vid of the prequel's real-time puppetry/animatronic EFX). You can see the labor of love and hyper-detailed realism that went into making the practical EFX easily...I sure can. But since the head honchos at Universal Studios thought that CGI would be better for the prequel, that's what they wanted & they got it.

I've been saying that if a practical EFX "dream team" were assembled, they could easily outdo the EFX shown in the '82 The Thing film with no CGI added. That, surely, wouldn't be that hard to pull off, right? Just make sure that such an EFX team has an ample budget to pull it off successfully.

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Mischief Maker wrote:Practical or not, strip away the special effects and you have nothing left.
Absolutely. The movie itself would still be a silly diversion either way. It's "The Thing" for those who thought the original was wanting for scenes of aliens chasing people down and eating them. The brilliance of the 82 movie is in subterfuge and paranoia - actually seeing the creature responsible when it's occasionally caught out is just the icing. 2011 got it backwards and is a forgettable monster flick with a couple of neat scenes for it.

Still...
PC Engine Fan X! wrote:(after watching that YT vid of the prequel's real-time puppetry/animatronic EFX). You can see the labor of love and hyper-detailed realism that went into making the practical EFX easily...
Normally I'm not fazed by Hollywood films and their wacky issues, but in this case, I have to say it's a shame the craftmanship in that video got obscured by a layer of charmless CG muck. As to the official line that CG was needed to make the creature "look believable:"
Mischief Maker wrote:Practical effects restrained by the laws of physics create a creature restrained by the laws of physics that is a zillion times more believable.
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Bil & MM> Totally in agreement with both of you. Things I said above (sure, I'm repeating myself, but they're still bothering me)--1) this is a long movie with no character development and lots of shitty looking monster scenes. The lack of character development kills this film IMO. 2) The Carpenter film was about paranoia and lovecraftian creeping horror shit, not Resident Evil. The monster here is way too aggressive, instead of hiding and assimilating in the dark. 3) And now that I've seen those production clips, I'm really pissed at the use of CG. Some of those practical effects are ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! If the film had looked like that I'd have had a lot more positive things to say about it.
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BIL wrote:Normally I'm not fazed by Hollywood films and their wacky issues, but in this case, I have to say it's a shame the craftmanship in that video got obscured by a layer of charmless CG muck. As to the official line that CG was needed to make the creature "look believable:"
I'm not certain that the studio is to blame. I remember hearing on the commentary track for Carpenter's Thing that some of the cast didn't think the creature effects were going to be believable the way they looked on the set. A lot of the magic behind effects that work are proper lighting and camerawork.

The Thing is Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr's first real movie and Director of Photography David Franco is best known, according to imdb, for 3000 miles to Graceland. My guess is they screwed the pooch filming the practical effects so they looked fakey and plastic before getting set on fire. Then the studio came in and CGI'ed over everything to fix their mistake. Just my guess.

Studios are so risk averse these days I think they only take a gamble on a promising new director by giving them a sure-thing IP with an established fanbase so even if they crash and burn, the established fanbase will make their money back for them. Ironically that means that for us geeky fans, we're more likely to be pissed off by the final product than not.

That's why Prometheus is the unnecessary prequel I'm dreading the least because at least the director isn't incompetent.
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Re: Checked out the 2011 prequel of "The Thing" flick?

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I'm sure that this upcoming Prometheus prequel will be quite good with Ridley Scott at the helm. With it's June 2012 release date, the wait won't be too far off. I'll definitely be seeing it on day one of release (or if a special advance sneak preview is offered, that'd be even better). Expect the Prometheus merchandise goodies as usual as a tie-in to the film like with the past Alien films.

The McFarlane Toys released Alien action figures weren't too shabby, especially the Alien Queen variant with her bendy & super-posable tail. An ugly bitch indeed.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~
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