Easy shooters that give you an unusually hard time

ChainsawGuitarSP · Post by **ChainsawGuitarSP** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:33 pm

And also, laughing freely at one another for sucking at said shooter. A few of you probably already know this embarrassing secret of mine, but I still can't 1cc the MD version of Zero Wing. I can make it through stage 5 effortlessly now thanks to Ruldra's help, but my attention just seems to fade out around that time regardless. Never even seen stage 8 firsthand.

Moniker · Post by **Moniker** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:55 pm

Darius Gaiden with super crazy happy turbofire.

I'm starting to suspect that detractors overstate its power.

I'm also starting to suspect that I suck. Will investigate.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:05 am

Karous, Normal mode.

Beat THAT.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:10 am

Any PC Engine shooter that bores you to sleep, only to get whacked right in the face by something when you aren't paying attention. :P

Blackbird · Post by **Blackbird** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:32 am

Thunder Force V. I think I was better at this when I wasn't actually trying to do well...

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:36 am

Moniker wrote:Darius Gaiden with super crazy happy turbofire.

I'm starting to suspect that detractors overstate its power.

I'm also starting to suspect that I suck. Will investigate.

I can't beat that stinking whale.

Kasbe · Post by **Kasbe** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:54 am

I can't focus on Raiden Fighters Jet. Each time I see a power up on the screen I feel the urge to get it right away before it switches and end up ignoring the wall of bullets that's between it and me.

AntiFritz · Post by **AntiFritz** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:05 am

I can't get further then stage 4 in espgaluda, something about the controls just feel awkward and I cant stand the bombing mechanic (dispite the rest of the game being really good). Ironically I'll probably end up 1ccing ketsui of all games first...

Deca · Post by **Deca** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:33 am

Kasbe wrote:I can't focus on Raiden Fighters Jet. Each time I see a power up on the screen I feel the urge to get it right away before it switches and end up ignoring the wall of bullets that's between it and me.

Is Jet supposed to be easy? I think I've made it to the first real combat mission once...granted I haven't played it extensively, but the difficulty seemed to spike severely at that point. I've been meaning to ask around if most people play it on Normal or Arcade, I've always gone with Arcade.

stryc9 · Post by **stryc9** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:47 am

After all the talk of it being an easy survival 1CC, I have been surprised at Akai Katana.
I mean even Trouserplank thinks this is easy, or easier than Mushi 1.5 anyway

I don't know if its the various patterns overlayed on top of multi-directional scrolling or what, but I have more 'stupid' deaths in this than most other CAVE games. I didn't have any issue at all with either of the DeathSmiles, yet the horizontal style in this just seems to throw me off. No one else has seemed to have had this problem, except maybe Charlie Chong, I remember him saying something to this effect IIRC.

I can still get to the last level on Arcade mode, and I'm sure I could beat it with a bit of grit, but just haven't been playing it (I just TATE'd all my verts thru an 80 cm CRT a couple of weeks ago so as you can imagine I've been rediscovering those bitches of late).

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:30 pm

Mushi and Espgaluda are the first things that come to mind. Just find these frustrating, and I'm not sure why-- I mean apart from how they expose my lack of skills.

Bananamatic · Post by **Bananamatic** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:41 pm

anything horizontal

Aliquantic · Post by **Aliquantic** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:44 pm

Futari 1.5 Original... it even makes my eyes hurt now

Kasbe · Post by **Kasbe** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:17 pm

Deca wrote:
Kasbe wrote:I can't focus on Raiden Fighters Jet. Each time I see a power up on the screen I feel the urge to get it right away before it switches and end up ignoring the wall of bullets that's between it and me.
Is Jet supposed to be easy? I think I've made it to the first real combat mission once...granted I haven't played it extensively, but the difficulty seemed to spike severely at that point. I've been meaning to ask around if most people play it on Normal or Arcade, I've always gone with Arcade.

Maybe I talked too fast on this one. No, I don't think it's an easy game, but it gives me a harder time than I think it should. Even on the first levels.

Jeneki · Post by **Jeneki** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:25 pm

stryc9 wrote:After all the talk of it being an easy survival 1CC, I have been surprised at Akai Katana.

Akai Katana owns the crap out of me. I just ram right into stuff and say "wut", it's kind of hilarious. I think my eyes keep drifting away from my plane, over to the option thing with all the goodies circling it, so half the time I'm dodging from the wrong location.

burgerkingdiamond · Post by **burgerkingdiamond** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:28 pm

Thunderforce III seems to kick my ass.

dunpeal2064 · Post by **dunpeal2064** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:30 pm

Psyvariar 2

Not sure if its supposed to be easy, but its so damn different that I have a hard time dancing around the bullets like a mecha-ballerina.

Still fun as hell, but damn do I suck at it right now.

I also can't get past stage 5 DFK 1.5, even in bomb or strong mode. I have no problem getting there, but those damn pod things always screw me.

blackoak · Post by **blackoak** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:35 am

I also have a really hard time with the pods on DFK stage 5... though everything else does feel very manageable.
I sometimes hear that Mushi 1.5 Original is one of Cave's easier titles, but I find it pretty hard too. I've never really mastered stage 3, and I've only ever gotten about 2/3 through stage 5. I haven't played it with much commitment yet, though (maybe ~15 hours of playtime).

I should probably add that I've only been actively shmupping for 3-4 months now, and the only Cave I've 1CC'd is DDP...

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:37 pm

ChainsawGuitarSP wrote:And also, laughing freely at one another for sucking at said shooter. A few of you probably already know this embarrassing secret of mine, but I still can't 1cc the MD version of Zero Wing. I can make it through stage 5 effortlessly now thanks to Ruldra's help, but my attention just seems to fade out around that time regardless. Never even seen stage 8 firsthand.

Good luck with the rest of the game. The difficulty ramps up considerably in the last two stages.

mesh control · Post by **mesh control** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:36 pm

burgerkingdiamond wrote:Thunderforce III seems to kick my ass.

It seems to bore me more than kick my ass.

Deca · Post by **Deca** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:58 pm

blackoak wrote:I should probably add that I've only been actively shmupping for 3-4 months now, and the only Cave I've 1CC'd is
DDP...

OK yeah I'm convinced something is wrong with me lol. I guess DDP is my easy game that gives me a hard time, I still don't have that damn 1-all

dunpeal2064 · Post by **dunpeal2064** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:09 pm

I have yet to nab that DDP 1-ALL as well. I can make it to stage 5 now though.

Oh, and I have only ever played the Saturn port

hzt · Post by **hzt** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:17 pm

Darius Twin. People say it's laughably easy but I can't even get to the first boss.

I suck at horis in general and have never got far even in ones that are supposed to be easy clears.

burgerkingdiamond · Post by **burgerkingdiamond** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:08 pm

dunpeal2064 wrote:I have yet to nab that DDP 1-ALL as well. I can make it to stage 5 now though.

Oh, and I have only ever played the Saturn port

why in the world haven't you played it in MAME?

dunpeal2064 · Post by **dunpeal2064** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:16 pm

The easy answer would be because I am a weird strange person.

I just don't like using MAME. Its not really a piracy thing, I just love consoles. Odd as it is, I'd rather play a poor port than a perfectly emulated MAME rom.

I actually really like the Saturn port (I'm sure if I played the pcb first I'd feel different). I love the Saturn mode, it gives me a shot at actually fighting the TLB.

Teufel_in_Blau · Post by **Teufel_in_Blau** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:38 pm

I remember reading a review from EOJ about Muchi Muchi Pork and that it was the easiest Cave shooter he ever played.

This game just raped me. I tried it a few times, but whenever I played, Stage 3 always killed me. One day I credit feed throught it and saw the later Stages, it felt like a less hectic Futari Ultra to me. I was so baffled that I haven't touched it since.

I 1cc'd DDP, Galuda and Futari Original so far and I always assumed that Galuda is the easiest one. I can't believe how hard MMP is, maybe I'm doing something wrong, I don't know. I will give the game a chance when Futari starts to bore me.

dunpeal2064 · Post by **dunpeal2064** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:06 pm

I'm in the same boat with MMP. I think the unlimited extends and boss milking are what suppoosedly makes it easy, but I just can't get past stage 4 (when I even make it there)

And I'm playing 1.01, which is easier than arcade.

Deca · Post by **Deca** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:16 pm

Teufel_in_Blau wrote:maybe I'm doing something wrong, I don't know

You're probably trying too play it too much like a cave game. It took me a bit too realize but this game is Raizing style through and through, the patterns make a little more sense when you approach them differently, and make sure you're using those bombs. Get used to scoring and you'll find yourself with more lives than you may expect. I would never call MMP the easiest Cave game, but I don't find it cripplingly difficult (granted I haven't 1CCd yet).

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:12 pm

I can reach Larsa in Futari 1.5 Ultra but DOJ BL still owns me.

Also DDP is not an easy game at all unless you're a freak. I only ever 1-ALLed it 1 time and that was from memorizing and no-missing the first 4 stages then bomb spamming through 1-5 and 1-6.

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:14 pm

Moniker wrote:Darius Gaiden with super crazy happy turbofire.

I'm starting to suspect that detractors overstate its power.

I'm also starting to suspect that I suck. Will investigate.

I think that only makes Darius Gaiden super easy if you've struggled without autofire for a while

I sorta wish DG had an autofire setting between max and the default :/

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