Trizeal coming to dreamcast (not very long now :D))

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After reading that I've about decided I'll definitely pre-order that. Like I said when Border Down was announced for the DC, I'll support anybody who supports the DC.
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I was really going to wait and see with this one, but what the hey...

*preorders*
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It's great to see the support here! :D

Ganelon, I'll make a soundtrack for you if you preorder the game. :lol:

I'm scrounging up the funds to preorder it myself, and then, I'm sending an E-mail with a copy of my receipt to Triangle Service. As an aside; It's crazy that with shipping, the game costs as much as a GBA or a used GCN. I wish that I could find an import games dealer in my area... Not that they'd have this on their shelves, though, as stated in that S.O.S.

All I know is that I'm absolutely answering their call!
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Damnit, they've guilted me into preordering, too. I have a soft spot for anybody who still supports the Dreamcast. But if Trizeal sucks, I'm going to be super pissed. Not only will I have blown 60 bucks on a game that sucks, I'll have helped save a company that makes shitty shmups. That's one thing the world doesn't need more of.

Did anybody check out the movie for Project Lambda? There's a link to it at the bottom of that "SOS from Triangle Service" page. It sort of looks like a mix of Afterburner and Sin and Punishment. Not a shmup, but pretty neat.
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Buying Trizeal just might help bring Senko no Ronde to the DC as well. At least, thats how I see it.
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Damnit, they've guilted me into preordering, too. I have a soft spot for anybody who still supports the Dreamcast. But if Trizeal sucks, I'm going to be super pissed. Not only will I have blown 60 bucks on a game that sucks, I'll have helped save a company that makes shitty shmups. That's one thing the world doesn't need more of.
Same for me. Except the guilting me into preordering part. Fuck em, it's bad for the genre to have crap developers around.

My next $60 goes to purchasing Espgaluda.
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Post by Gozer »

I think XII Stag is good, though it could have been better. I'm going to give Trizeal a shot.
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Maybe they should have made something a bit different. All these modern 3D shmups look the same and have merged into one for me. Glancing at screenshots I hardly know which is which.


I'm not pity buying some game which will probably be mediocre.
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Neon wrote:meh. another mediocre game that will sell simply because it's on dc. Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?
No, you're not. As great a system as the DC is, people need to just let it go. It almost seems like now they're releasing games for it for the sake of trying to be the last DC game released.

Hey, we put out the last DC game!
Not so fast! We're making one too!
Nope, you both lose, we're putting out the last DC game. Eat it!

And so on. The last thing a system needs is to go out on a note of a string of bad games. I've not played Trizeal, but my thoughts on how generic and boring the game apparently is (based on the opinions of a lot of peopel who happen to have similar tastes to mine) tell me that it's not good to see a mediocre/bad game as one of the last games for a system for the sake of being last.
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Neon wrote: Same for me. Except the guilting me into preordering part. Fuck em, it's bad for the genre to have crap developers around.
So how many developers are soley in the genre of shmups today!? I'd rather see a larger selection of games with possibility for more creativity at the expense of some being crap.
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hikarutilmitt wrote:
Neon wrote:meh. another mediocre game that will sell simply because it's on dc. Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?
No, you're not. As great a system as the DC is, people need to just let it go. It almost seems like now they're releasing games for it for the sake of trying to be the last DC game released.

Hey, we put out the last DC game!
Not so fast! We're making one too!
Nope, you both lose, we're putting out the last DC game. Eat it!

And so on. The last thing a system needs is to go out on a note of a string of bad games. I've not played Trizeal, but my thoughts on how generic and boring the game apparently is (based on the opinions of a lot of peopel who happen to have similar tastes to mine) tell me that it's not good to see a mediocre/bad game as one of the last games for a system for the sake of being last.
Im sorry but what kind of blatantly stupid bs is this? The only time the phrase "last DC game made" is used is by the multitude of general American news websites who always report a new game with this sorely overused tag line.

To twist it as some kind of motivation for Japanese developers is totally and utterly naive, The only motivation the developers have is to make a financial comback from the development cost of the original Naomi product.

Why should a system be "let go" when there is the possibility of developers creating new software? (Particularly when the release software is outside of many peoples host country anyway), I'd swear the majority of users on this forum are backward and truthfully would rather see the genre die than see any new games unless they are all from Cave.

The snobbery and ignorance here is unrivalled.
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MOD EDIT: Message removed for excessive trolling content. People have a right to buy new shmups like Trizeal if they want. You don't have to buy it yourself, but don't try to justify yourself by casting dispersions on all who do purchase the game... -TF
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Kron wrote:I'd swear the majority of users on this forum are backward and truthfully would rather see the genre die than see any new games unless they are all from Cave.

The snobbery and ignorance here is unrivalled.
Kron, let's not tar everyone with the same brush. I understand your frustration but you're not helping matters by unfairly blaming the majority for the views of a vocal minority. Many users of the forum are supportive of the shmup genre.
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Yet another worthless aspect of internet forums, When someone appreciates something they are labeled a fanboy. Thank you for your kind words Neon :roll:
Neon wrote:MOD EDIT: <snip>
Yeah and others will choose GWG or Psikyocollec3 because they are on PS2. Is that less weak because the system is still available at retail and has large scale developer support? Or is the DC release seen as offensive due to this stupid "last release" so buy it regardless garbage?

The only good consequence of no more games being released on the DC will be the final end of the banal poorly reasoned whining from the haters.

Senko no Ronde will be released at the end of the year on DC so I guess it would be too much to ask for people to try and avoid this antiquated response for then as its getting really boring.
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Kron wrote:I'd swear the majority of users on this forum are backward and truthfully would rather see the genre die than see any new games unless they are all from Cave.

The snobbery and ignorance here is unrivalled.
Kron, let's not tar everyone with the same brush. I understand your frustration but you're not helping matters by unfairly blaming the majority for the views of a vocal minority. Many users of the forum are supportive of the shmup genre.
I appologise as the sentiment isn't aimed at everyone, Unfortunately its a general feeling I get from reading a high amount of posts here.
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Rob wrote:http://forum.shmups.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=606
Was this really necessary?
It's in accordance with the principle that part of the mandate of this website is to support current shmup developers, not just celebrate long gone ones.

Don't worry the topic won't be up forever...
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I like the screenshots of this game.
and hey it also has some motion base attack

btw
But I'm not going to buy this because
1. I'm also a broke ass developer
2. I don't have a dreamcast.
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I hope that we'll see a review of this game soon.(maybe it will help promoted this game)
and I also hope to get my Filty hands on a DC dev kit. :twisted:
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Post by Nemo »

I already had Trizeal POed, and after reading the guy's speech and seeing how he personally gave me a shout-out, it only reinforced my purchase.
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Rob wrote:
"Shooting love." is not a bluff.
And that quote alone just made me preorder a second copy of the game (a backup copy in case something happens to the 1st one ;)).
The game is getting lots of extras! They're showing the genre LOVE and I just feel I HAVE to do my part for them.

Call me stupid for it, but I don't care since I feel I am doing this for a good cause.
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okay, i feel the need to weigh in with a jack@$$ post (disclaimer complete)...

i feel some sympathy for triangle service; i really do. to have a love for something like shmups and the chutzpah to have built a company to release them in this day and age, even in japan...hey man, my hat's off to ya.

my wallet, however, stays firmly in my pocket.

first off...sorry, hardcore gamers here. but come on--the dreamcast? you're gonna make a game for system that's (come on, say it...say it with me now....duh, duh, deeeeeehhhhhhhhhh....that's it) DEAD, and you think you're gonna even break even? stop drinking the jonestown kool aid, gentleman, i hear that stuff's bad for you.

second...the speech in the sticky was good. but he brings up what i find to be a damning point in it--specifically, they could release it as a net only release, but they're not, b/c they want to be able for a casual gamer to walk in the store and buy it, after long pondering? that's a nice romantic sentiment, and seriously, i respect it. but unless you've got some kind of financial analysis that shows that you're gonna end up with more revenue from putting it in the stores vs. not putting it in stores, then the only thing you're REALLY doing is pissing away resources and money that gets you nowhere. except deeper in debt, that is...

some companies can get away with releasing games that don't sell; they recoup the costs in other ways or other sales. if you can't do that, then you need to reconcile yourself to the fact that while you may be fighting the good fight, chances are that you're not gonna win.

and that's it.
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The Dreamcast may be dead, but the NAOMI arcade hardware isn't. Trizeal was originally developed for the NAOMI and released in the arcades. Since the NAOMI is basically just a Dreamcast, that makes porting it to the Dreamcast very easy, and virtually free. I seriously doubt Triangle Service could afford to rewrite the game for the PS2 or X-Box. They didn't "choose" the Dreamcast, it was the only option they could afford. So let's cut them some slack, hmm?
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The budget for development for any small team is tight. The fact that the game may sell between 5-10K will easily justify the port from Naomi to dreamcast.

These guys are not trying to be a multi-million pound organisation. They want to fund a living producing shooters. Thats something that should be applauded on this forum, not dissed.

The fact that its going to be released on DC is immaterial to most people, DC's are so cheap, I dont know anyone who is into shooters who doesnt own one, or who cant afford the $20 to buy one to play a whole host of shooters.
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I preordered. Mostly because I got kinda addicted to that LIFT^3 game.

And hey. If it does suck ass, that problem is easily remedied. Re-sell. :D

However, I must admit that XII-Stag Limited is a rather pointless project, considering how abysmal sales were for the PS2 version.
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MOD EDIT: Message removed for excessive trolling content. People have a right to buy new shmups like Trizeal if they want. You don't have to buy it yourself, but don't try to justify yourself by casting dispersions on all who do purchase the game... -TF
I thought the little :P face implied you weren't serious, ah well.

Yeah and others will choose GWG or Psikyocollec3 because they are on PS2. Is that less weak because the system is still available at retail and has large scale developer support? Or is the DC release seen as offensive due to this stupid "last release" so buy it regardless garbage?
That's my point, people need to buy the games that are better, system doesn't matter.

Maybe the fanboy thing was out of line, even if it wasn't totally serious, I apologize. But noiz2sa is better on pc so I play it on pc, do you see what I'm getting at?
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Neon wrote:That's my point, people need to buy the games that are better
Define "better". Take any two decent shmups and you'll find people who favor one over the other.
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Too bad I don't know to play import games on my Dreamcast without doing difficult modifications involving opening the DC, or I'd preorder this game.
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better? dragon blaze is a classic, gigawing generations will probably be good if it's an improvement on the previous gigawings (which were both great) as about everyone who's played it says. Trizeal on the other hand can't stand up to other japanese arcade games (dai ou jou :D oh wait that isn't on the DC, people might think I'm not hardcore ) so pathetic the developer has to beg for donations, unbelieveable.

I'm all for the DC staying alive, as long as the games coming out for it are good. Border Down was good, I look forward to purchasing (purchasing, unlike half the DC 'fans' out there) Senkou no Ronde (or whatever the feck it's called).
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Neon wrote:better? dragon blaze is a classic, gigawing generations will probably be good if it's an improvement on the previous gigawings (which were both great) as about everyone who's played it says. Trizeal on the other hand can't stand up to other japanese arcade games...
Neon wrote:I'm all for the DC staying alive, as long as the games coming out for it are good
You still haven't got the concept that not everyone shares your values. If you're grasping to cling onto some majority expression of what is "good" then why are you even playing shmups in the first place...
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My thoughts on the matter.

With regards to icepick's comment, has anybody been able to find an email address of any kind on Triangle Service's website?
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well then let's put it this way, what are the chances of it being better than Dragon Blaze?

Slim to none?
A million in one?

The game's being ignored not by major magazines, but people who go to the arcades, people who think like us.
Too bad I don't know to play import games on my Dreamcast without doing difficult modifications involving opening the DC, or I'd preorder this game.
I'd like to ask mod permission to link to a free bootdisc download (unsure as to the kosherity of utopia hacked for vga...)
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