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[GaijinPunch]

Mushihimesama had the first type box.
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Are you sure about that , I have only seen new style boxes and the Kit picture on CAVE-STG also shows this .
Maybe they used both like Ibara ?

I believe Mushi & Ibara both had new & old style boxes...depending on when you got them.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Buy a game and then obsess over artwork/manuals. Makes perfect sense.

And, posters, obi, reg cards, telephone/book cards...

What happened to Donpachi and Dodonpachi by the way? Not sure if they were released as kits but they definitely have art, marquee, manual... poster?

Cave did release such DP & DDP PCB kits but I, personally, haven't seen such an uber-rare USA region complete DP PCB conversion kit ever (considering that it was Atlus USA whom handled the distribution of USA region DP conversion kits in the first place back in 1995). It was commonplace for arcade operators to discard such trivial leftovers (such as the outer factory PCB box + instruction strip, dipswitch sheet after it's intial run in the arcades) back in those days as it wasn't needed after intial shipment/recieving such kits. Nowdays, one would be lucky enough to score such a barebones USA region DP PCB with a full-sized marquee included if at all.

Yeah, it'd be cool to see such an original DP or DDP factory PCB box JPEG indeed.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[SuperPang]

I believe Mushi & Ibara both had new & old style boxes...depending on when you got them.

That would make sense. Mine has an old style and was purchased NOS. I just assumed they were all like that as it came out before Ibara.
Carry on

[TonK]

Right -- where paying $1000 or more for a game is total sane and not stupid.

Getting into the hobby, I knew the cost of the games.

I'm well prepared to spend my set amount on a single game - I know I'm not going to sit and wait for a Mushi Futari to drop to $200.

I'm comfortable enough that I can spend pretty much whatever I want and be cool with it.

#RubberBandBanks

Now with art and posters - thats entirely different.

$20 for a poster, sure.

I'm not going to collect stuff that was thrown out by arcade operators after the game quit making money.

Original artwork, sure - not this stuff.

Hey, just my opinion.

[TonK]

Do you have any idea how hypocritical you sound?

Aren't you the self-appointed Cave PCB valuation barometer doing a daily routine of push-ups and sparring in the Trading Station gymnasium (73%/916 posts worth?)

Yet you're all over a simple reference thread because, what? It contains information that would indicate the likelihood of finding an Espgaluda artset over a Donpachi one, or a Ketsui poster over a DFK 1.5?

I don't get it hombre. There's no ulterior motive here, someone new to kit building wanted to know what was what, and I too was curious to get it all straight. I abandoned any hints at valuation because it's too broad, so now it's just a regular list - how is that going to have a negative impact at all?

You want to know why I was quoting prices?

To protect buyers from people like you.

You know, when I quoted a price low, you would throw a fit asking for proof.

If it was a little high, you'd stand right by my side.

I'm no longer going into threads and doing that - I'll leave it to you now.

So, now when you go into a thread and see a $900 Futari loose board for sale.

"Whoah, is this Cave bargain week?"

No, its not - thats overpriced - but its up to the user to decide, unless he uses the "What's it Worth" thread, I'll gladly tell him his price sucks.

You're the biggest hypocrite on the site, dude.

Can't believe you have the balls to call me out on anything.

[Skykid]

Anyways I just view it as a butthurt thread for people who thought arcade gear was a solid investment.

That I'm with other likeminded collectors that Cave's reprint practices are just a little on the gay side is my opinion, and I'm entitled to it (and will defend it.) But I'm not crying over it. It's a double edged sword, on one hand it's poor practice to undermine a dedicated fanbase, on the other I've relied on reprints to fill in the gaps where I've needed them. Sven and Pang suffered a lot more than I ever did.

I don't give a shit if people read too much into the coarse language, or somehow perceive it as more than the simple poke in the ribs it's meant to be. My thread, my header.

[brentsg]

My thread, my header.

Then don't be all smug and wonder why you draw arguments from people that disagree with you. You still seem oblivious to the fact that you want to throw your opinions into the thread, but then cry when other people do the same.

[sven666]

. Sven and Pang suffered a lot more than I ever did..

*butthurt*

theres also the akai katana xbox360 artset
mushi 1.5 and akai katana LE had unique boxes, no reprinted artsets (yet).

[spadgy]

This thread is starting to go way better! Good work on all the extra info folks!

[Skykid]

Do you have any idea how hypocritical you sound?

Aren't you the self-appointed Cave PCB valuation barometer doing a daily routine of push-ups and sparring in the Trading Station gymnasium (73%/916 posts worth?)

Yet you're all over a simple reference thread because, what? It contains information that would indicate the likelihood of finding an Espgaluda artset over a Donpachi one, or a Ketsui poster over a DFK 1.5?

I don't get it hombre. There's no ulterior motive here, someone new to kit building wanted to know what was what, and I too was curious to get it all straight. I abandoned any hints at valuation because it's too broad, so now it's just a regular list - how is that going to have a negative impact at all?

You want to know why I was quoting prices?

To protect buyers from people like you.

You know, when I quoted a price low, you would throw a fit asking for proof.

If it was a little high, you'd stand right by my side.

I'm no longer going into threads and doing that - I'll leave it to you now.

So, now when you go into a thread and see a $900 Futari loose board for sale.

"Whoah, is this Cave bargain week?"

No, its not - thats overpriced - but its up to the user to decide, unless he uses the "What's it Worth" thread, I'll gladly tell him his price sucks.

You're the biggest hypocrite on the site, dude.

Can't believe you have the balls to call me out on anything.

Lol, get a load of this joker!

I've got no interest in manipulating prices like you, I don't spend 75% of my time in the trading station leaping into any thread with a Cave board to make sure I place my stamp on its value. The only reason I question your judgement is based on your questionable fabrications. This entire thread is born of your $150 evaluation of a reprinted artset and tatty box, isn't it? And to think I had the good grace to mention that to you in private before someone else mentioned it in public...

If something turned up that represents a good price (like Pointman's gear) I've fairly noted it because the seller deserves a nod. I don't have any personal affiliation with them, unlike you who posts in all your mate's thread to tell everyone what a swell guy they are and how they should buy their stuff. You turn up in every single Cave thread like some kind of plague, making sure Dodonpachi stays nice and high and all the stuff you traded in for your 360 junk stays real low, while having no problem shitting on people like msadda's sales! Nice work.

So, now when you go into a thread and see a $900 Futari loose board for sale.

"Whoah, is this Cave bargain week?"

LOL whut?
Don't be a dick and start making shit up. You're talking about a response I made to Monouchi's cheap Espgaluda II kit not a $900 Futari board. Or are you talking about Pointman's £150 Dangun board (which incidentally, everyone including you agreed was "Cave bargain week".)

In fact you alone artificially pushed the price of Donpachi and Dodonpachi PCB's up on this forum by 25% in record time. Round of applause.

Can't believe you'd walk into such a rake. Would you like me to copy/paste all the examples of your value manipulating? It's real easy, I just go to your profile and check out your post history. All in the Trading Station of course, so not hard to find.

I'd walk away if I was you. Half the forum has been waiting for someone to ask you to buzz off, so now's as good a time as any. There's a real out-of-date MVS price guide over on NG.com that needs some attention, why not attend to that?

And remember who the mods needed to have a word with about price influencing?
It wasn't me.

[zlk]

There was a time when a mint DOJ black label poster was worth around $1000. Once the reprints came out, those posters became next to worthless. On the one hand I think it is great that cave is making things available that people want. From a collector's viewpoint it is kind of lame. You can buy something one day for a lot of money only to have its value drop dramatically when a reprint is offered.

[Dave_K.]

I agree its good these things are more widely available without the collector price tag, but at the same time see this as Cave completely ignoring their obsessive fan base. They could have easily reprinted with some indicator or marking that they were reprints, thus maintaining the collector value of the originals, while pleasing new fans.

I use the term "collector" here to refer to the few people who actually play the games enough to warrant the high prices on these extra bits, not the "flippers" we commonly see on the sales forums who call themselves collectors but buy with the only intention of selling for profit. Those people can fuck off and die for all I care, but such is life in a free open market.

[cools]

gay side

You live in Brighton, right?

[kernow]

D R A M A

[Skykid]

gay side

You live in Brighton, right?

Don't believe the hype.

[cools]

So basically, anything pre-SH3 is teh rarez, anything SH3 onwards is not.

?

[Skykid]

So basically, anything pre-SH3 is teh rarez, anything SH3 onwards is not.

?

Well, anything pre-SH3 (in art terms) is pretty darn scarce, although an Espgaluda artset won't set you back as much as a Donpachi.

It's like GP said, it just depends on how readily available they are. Even reprinted stuff isn't super easy to get hold of, some of it only got one extra run.

[kernow]

All this for stuff that just sits in a box

[TonK]

Lol, get a load of this joker!

I've got no interest in manipulating prices like you, I don't spend 75% of my time in the trading station leaping into any thread with a Cave board to make sure I place my stamp on its value. The only reason I question your judgement is based on your questionable fabrications. This entire thread is born of your $150 evaluation of a reprinted artset and tatty box, isn't it? And to think I had the good grace to mention that to you in private before someone else mentioned it in public...

Oh well, I was $50 off on the price of an artset, is that a huge deal for you? I gave you my reasoning behind it. You think I was trying to manipulate a box and artset I don't even own?

If something turned up that represents a good price (like Pointman's gear) I've fairly noted it because the seller deserves a nod. I don't have any personal affiliation with them, unlike you who posts in all your mate's thread to tell everyone what a swell guy they are and how they should buy their stuff.

If you have a real problem with that, come at me. Don't cry about it. What problem is there in assuring a potential buyer that someone is a good seller?

You turn up in every single Cave thread like some kind of plague, making sure Dodonpachi stays nice and high and all the stuff you traded in for your 360 junk stays real low, while having no problem shitting on people like msadda's sales! Nice work.

Give me an example of what I want to stay "real low". Chances are I own it. You think I'm sitting on one board?

LOL whut?
Don't be a dick and start making shit up. You're talking about a response I made to Monouchi's cheap Espgaluda II kit not a $900 Futari board. Or are you talking about Pointman's £150 Dangun board (which incidentally, everyone including you agreed was "Cave bargain week".)

Wow, jumpy? That was an exaggerated example I used. Its funny to find you searching through your posts to see if you made any mistakes though.

In fact you alone artificially pushed the price of Donpachi and Dodonpachi PCB's up on this forum by 25% in record time. Round of applause.

So you're saying I have the power to do this? Because I pointed out that 3 DoDonPachi PCB's sold for above $400 when someone asked how much they were worth?

Can't believe you'd walk into such a rake. Would you like me to copy/paste all the examples of your value manipulating? It's real easy, I just go to your profile and check out your post history. All in the Trading Station of course, so not hard to find.

Go ahead, you casn add a PCB price guide to your "art reference guide"

I'd walk away if I was you. Half the forum has been waiting for someone to ask you to buzz off, so now's as good a time as any. There's a real out-of-date MVS price guide over on NG.com that needs some attention, why not attend to that?

More than half? So in your words, like 60%? 55%? 52%? Which is it Tom?!? You really think I'm going to "buzz off" because of some crybaby shit you're spewing? Oh, and Mmsadda runs the MVS Guide, lol. has run it for 2 years now.

And remember who the mods needed to have a word with about price influencing?
It wasn't me.

Which mod accused me of "price influencing?"

Man, you're a paranoid retard.

[brentsg]

.........(yet)...........

I think this is the correct perspective today. We have to assume that what can be reprinted will be reprinted. To think otherwise today (and for at least the past year+) is foolish.

Pay a premium for the peace of mind that you know you have an original, if you care... Pay a premium to enjoy it now.. But don't pay a premium and expect items to hold value. I think the most curious concept at play here is how large the obsessive fanbase really is. Obviously the arcade hobby itself is a niche, and shooting games are a subset of that. Drill down to people that will pay big money to collect all the original bits for games they love has to be very small.

Edit: I do think GP is right though, as for the most part the art isn't reprinted for Matsuri events often enough to make it worhless. More often than not you need to snag it when it's first available or it becomes tough to find. Sure it will pop on YAJ for 8,000 yen but who wants to pay that?

[sven666]

.........(yet)...........

I think this is the correct perspective today. We have to assume that what can be reprinted will be reprinted. To think otherwise today (and for at least the past year+) is foolish.

Pay a premium for the peace of mind that you know you have an original, if you care... Pay a premium to enjoy it now.. But don't pay a premium and expect items to hold value. .

true this, my mint doj bl poster was a cornerpiece of my collection for many years, i still have it framed in my livingroom because even tho its monetary value plumeted it still holds a high affectional value to me.. and its a smashing looking poster! i would have never sold it either way so the fact that its nearly worthless doesnt really bother me that much..

[Dave_K.]

All this for stuff that just sits in a box

Not in my arcade it doesn't. I think anyone that owns a cab with marquee and instruction glass displays these proudly, along with poster if they can afford the frame.

[Skykid]

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Fail.

true this, my mint doj bl poster was a cornerpiece of my collection for many years, i still have it framed in my livingroom because even tho its monetary value plumeted it still holds a high affectional value to me.. and its a smashing looking poster! i would have never sold it either way so the fact that its nearly worthless doesnt really bother me that much..

The DOJ BL poster was the real (first?) kicker. I think out of all the repro stuff, that one was instant pain for a lot of folks as they were trading for up to $1k on YHJ. I do wonder what was going through Cave's mind when they rolled that out at the Matsuri.

I paid £130 for mine I think, still got it, still love it the same.

All this for stuff that just sits in a box

Not in my arcade it doesn't. I think anyone that owns a cab with marquee and instruction glass displays these proudly, along with poster if they can afford the frame.

You're lucky you've got an arcade Dave! I still put the effort in but I gotta keep rotating.


(Edit: moar)

[kernow]

All this for stuff that just sits in a box

Not in my arcade it doesn't. I think anyone that owns a cab with marquee and instruction glass displays these proudly, along with poster if they can afford the frame.

Good show sir, to be honest I don't think many people use the originals even if they own them. You never know though.

[TonK]

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Fail.

That's all?

After you accused me of all that shit, I responded and you don't have the decency to make a rebuttal?

[Skykid]

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Fail.

That's all?

After you accused me of all that shit, I responded and you don't have the decency to make a rebuttal?

I don't need to, it's all true.

You're just digging a hole here man, people aren't dumb. Do yourself a favour and drop it.

[DMC]

double post.

[DMC]

Do we really want to open this can of worms for the what... 1000th time in shmups history?

If cans of worms were this good, even the rest of us could save money for some original art.

How long time does it usually take before the reprint arrives?

[TonK]

I don't need to, it's all true.

You're just digging a hole here man, people aren't dumb. Do yourself a favour and drop it.

Then out me and post examples.

Also, please quit saying "half of this forum" and "people aren't dumb" - you're the only one complaining.

Digging a hole?

For what?

You brought it up, you told me that half the forum has been waiting to tell me this.

Well?

Remember, you started all this.

[Skykid]

Remember, you started all this.

No, you started it by accusing me of being a price manipulator, which is cocking ridiculous considering the length and breadth of your trading station activities.

Out of 1253 posts:

913 posts: Trading Station
93 posts in your own thread.

That's 820 posts in other people's sales threads, giving other people the lowdown on everything to do with PCB values. Which school did you graduate from, can we see a certificate?
There is no expert in valuations, no much how YHJ perching you do, and half the stuff you come out with seems totally made up on the fly, which is real fucked up.

The price is going to drop.

Plain and simple.

No need to explain it.

And for a JP Xbox 360... funnily enough:

Man... Someone needs to buy this asap.

Fuck that's cheap.

Tons of good shit for sale.

Looks like DFK BL finally took that price plummet. Next up, Akai Katana.

Your prices are too high, hence them sitting unsold.

Problem is that the market was flooded with Batrider kits not too long ago, so they are not as rare as most think.

Just like the recent onslaught of Garegga kits.

Not uncommon by any means.

NEWSFLASH: Garegga and Batrider kits flooding the market! Prices falling! No longer rare by any means!

I don't need to get to the Dodonpachi fiasco or we'll be here all night.

Can't you see that all this input is unnecessary? This isn't Yahoo Japan, people don't trade on forums to get assraped to the tune of the latest Japanese Donpachi auction. Your input is overbearing and far too impartial.
As I mentioned before, if some dude turns up with the latest matsuri repros knocking them out at 100 Euro a piece, feel free to give him a kicking. And if someone like Pointman is shooting off bargains, give the community a heads up.

Otherwise, leave the damn Trading Station alone. It's not your stomping ground, it doesn't need policing or worse, influencing.

Also, please quit saying "half of this forum" and "people aren't dumb" - you're the only one complaining.

Believe me, I ain't.