Gahhh Dubstep!! >_<

TJB · Post by **TJB** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:30 am

I've noticed in Australia it started to pick up late last year. For the most part it was just people fawning over Skrillex, maybe it went further.

Didn't really catch on for me.

Btw, does anyone have an idea what genre this song is? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww0zVxbOk0A

Acid Techno maybe?

Just a shot in the dark, I've honestly not much of a clue.

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:35 am

I was waiting for someone to mention trance. Many, many, many times have I read the "I used to love trance but...". Me, I used to love House music (started to listen to it back in 1986), but trance is my thing because I love melodies and the detuned synths. It often feels like Trance is the genre in dance music that everyone loves to bash, calling it cheesy etc. There are cheesy tracks in ALL genres, rock, pop, hell even Jazz. I listen to almost every genre out there, but I only listen to the stuff I consider good. Just hating on a whole genre because you're uninformed of the good stuff is lazy. There are talents out there among all the copyists. Also, time is against you as a creative artist, most cool stuff in music has already been done. When I listen to dubstep (not very often, the odd remix of artists I know and care about) I feel that there's brand new stuff there I haven't heard before.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:14 pm

drauch wrote: Agreed. It's odd how it became so prevalent, but there is good stuff out there. Obviously people on this forum hate dance music, though; but, yeah, it is a shmups forum, so whatevs.

I always figured the opposite, that folks who play video games have a natural lean towards electronic music and therefore dance music would be kind of a natural interest.

I notice a lot of the dubstep links here are for way more mellow sounding stuff than I've been hearing, kind of like Bjork tracks without the vocals. Personally it does nothing for me, but if you like to chill out to it I can see that.

Music is so subjective, it really depends on what appeals to you (although there is crap music of course, you need look no further than the pop charts.) Personally, I think Dubstep is totally dull and I hate the way I can't find anything else at the moment, but I'm not going to persecute the people who are driven by it - I'm just going to stare at you funny and wonder what you're thinking.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:15 pm

ratikal wrote:Btw, does anyone have an idea what genre this song is? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww0zVxbOk0A

Detroit Techno

You know that this Dan Curtin track was essentially remixed by Manabu Namiki for Battle Garegga?

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:17 pm

CIT wrote:
ratikal wrote:Btw, does anyone have an idea what genre this song is? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww0zVxbOk0A
Detroit Techno

You know that this Dan Curtin track was essentially remixed by Manabu Namiki for Battle Garegga?

lol, shit, he totally ripped it off!

Both are pretty good, but I'm a sucker for the Namiki 'remix'.

cools · Post by **cools** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:38 pm

Skykid wrote:Personally, I think Dubstep is totally dull and I hate the way I can't find anything else at the moment, but I'm not going to persecute the people who are driven by it - I'm just going to stare at you funny and wonder what you're thinking.

I like the comments stating it's good background music. Like lift music

It's taken the bits that other genres of dance music use as fillers and mashed them together. To a point it's interesting aurally - and sounds great on a huge outdoor system. It's just not dance music, there's bugger all tribal about it.

Absolutely tons of music around though! Surprised you can't find anything.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:50 pm

cools wrote: Absolutely tons of music around though! Surprised you can't find anything.

Lol, that's not what I meant you cheeky git.

cools · Post by **cools** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:53 pm

Wasn't being cheeky

Exe · Post by **Exe** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:59 pm

Dubstep had it's golden age 5 (!!!) years ago, most of the stuff released now just doesn't work for home listening, as you need huge soundsystems to get the real expierence.

In a club, it's awesome if you feel the pressure those basslines are creating, give it a try

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:02 pm

Exe wrote:Dubstep had it's golden age 5 (!!!) years ago, most of the stuff released now just doesn't work for home listening, as you need huge soundsystems to get the real expierence.

In a club, it's awesome if you feel the pressure those basslines are creating, give it a try

I did last week. It was loud and dreadful, and dreadfully loud.

Exe · Post by **Exe** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:08 pm

It's certanly not for everyone, but keep in mind that dubstep is a very very varied genre thtas only defined by the use of subbass and the tempo of 140 bpm.

here are two examples of how different this sound can be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kguDP_oEOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr21MblV0Bw

I hate this stupid wobble shit too, but i love the more experimentel side of the genre.

xbl0x180 · Post by **xbl0x180** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:10 pm

Going to dance clubs to... pay attention to the music and to dance... I thought you were dudes/blokes

At clubs and other public venues, I don't give a damn about the music as long as there's a high ratio of attractive girls to everything else. In some areas, when the average chick looks like this:

I can't afford to be picky about the music

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:47 pm

xbl0x180 wrote:Going to dance clubs to... pay attention to the music and to dance... I thought you were dudes/blokes

I was out last night and was treated to the usual Friday night eyeful of girls with legs up to their eyeballs, inadvertent crotch and ass flashing and cleavages on parade.

I also got to listen to Example, banging 90's dance choons and Jason Derulo (well, I spent most of the evening in the garden area so I didn't have to endure too much punishment.)

It was better than Dubstep, but I still like good music when I'm out for long-haul drinking.

Post by **Icarus** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:41 pm

drauch wrote:Obviously people on this forum hate dance music, though; but, yeah, it is a shmups forum, so whatevs.

Not everyone on this forum hates dance or electronic music. 90% of my vast music collection is made up of it, Digitally Imported is my favorite streaming radio service, BBC Radio 1 on Friday and Saturday evenings is the best thing ever, and I'm always on the look-out for fresh originals and remixes to check out.
Stuff like Autechre leaves me cold, however. Way too weird for my liking.

drauch · Post by **drauch** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:52 pm

Oh, I'm aware there are electronic fans on the forum; if anything, I was trying to point out the ignorance of comments like "this isn't music!", which is a pretty silly thing to say.

Blackbird · Post by **Blackbird** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:05 pm

Icarus wrote:Autechre leaves me cold, however. Way too weird for my liking.

It is kind of cold and inhuman, but I find that to be part of the charm. They do have a few odd "warmer" tracks, though, like this one:

Autechre - Slip

Heard some enthusiasm for the older trance sound, so here are a few more tracks that you may enjoy =D.

KLF - What Time is Love (Pure Trance Mix)

Dance 2 Trance - Take a Free Fall

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:38 pm

Blackbird wrote:Heard some enthusiasm for the older trance sound, so here are a few more tracks that you may enjoy =D.

KLF - What Time is Love (Pure Trance Mix)

Dance 2 Trance - Take a Free Fall

The KLF track is a classic indeed. I've always preferred the PVD remix of Take A Free Fall though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMnywXWL ... re=related

ncp · Post by **ncp** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:50 am

early-to-mid-90s jungle and dnb was definitely the high point of electronic dance music imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idGt1fXe91o

gdlk

Bloodreign · Post by **Bloodreign** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:27 am

xbl0x180 wrote:Going to dance clubs to... pay attention to the music and to dance... I thought you were dudes/blokes

At clubs and other public venues, I don't give a damn about the music as long as there's a high ratio of attractive girls to everything else. In some areas, when the average chick looks like this:

I can't afford to be picky about the music

Is that even a woman? Looks kind of manly to me. Give it a greasepaint mustache and she'd/he'd be the missing Marx Brother (especially with the fake brows).

xbl0x180 · Post by **xbl0x180** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:37 am

I'm not kidding, but there are parts in Orange County, San Diego, and Los Angeles that are heavily populated by this kind of... physique and clown look. Taste in music doesn't even make the s**t list 'cause there's some actual s**t to avoid like the plague. Speaking of godawful music, Dubstep has nothing on Mexican Banda Ranchera

This s**t is e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHvIBZkZuAI&feature=fvst

Mero · Post by **Mero** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:59 pm

As others have said, the trouble with dubstep is that it's ridiculously slow. If it was any slower it'd stop altogether.

All I mostly listen to nowadays is my old tapes from 92-95(yes I've still got them). Drum & bass and happy hardcore both pretty much went down the toilet in the second half of the last decade, Scouse house and bassline house were ok for a while but they've died off now. Most current stuff just doesn't cut it for me.

I'm getting old

Exe · Post by **Exe** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:50 pm

In fact it's not slow

140 bpm is kinda fast but the shufflebeats make your head think it's only half the tempo, it's basicly the same trick used in the 2step genre.

TrevHead (TVR) · Post by **TrevHead (TVR)** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:52 pm

emphatic wrote:I was waiting for someone to mention trance. Many, many, many times have I read the "I used to love trance but...". Me, I used to love House music (started to listen to it back in 1986), but trance is my thing because I love melodies and the detuned synths. It often feels like Trance is the genre in dance music that everyone loves to bash, calling it cheesy etc. There are cheesy tracks in ALL genres, rock, pop, hell even Jazz. I listen to almost every genre out there, but I only listen to the stuff I consider good. Just hating on a whole genre because you're uninformed of the good stuff is lazy. There are talents out there among all the copyists. Also, time is against you as a creative artist, most cool stuff in music has already been done. When I listen to dubstep (not very often, the odd remix of artists I know and care about) I feel that there's brand new stuff there I haven't heard before.

I agree, I guess im getting old and stuck in my ways

That ben said it is a pain for me as someone who has mostly fallen out of touch with the music scene, which makes it so much harder to sift through the shite to find the good stuff. Especially as much of the music my younger peers think as good music is the same stuff ive heard before, its just been rebranded for a younger generation. Although im enjoying some of the links in this tread given most of you guys are of my age group.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:07 pm

Disclaimer: I am not a huge dubstep fan but most of my friends are , so I have heard a fair bit and I can appreciate it for what it is. Especially when I'm drunk in a club!

Siren2011 wrote:Hey, I can make those noises too. With my farts.

But does that make me an artist? I'm willing to wager "no."

The best part is, all these sad excuses for musicians actually think they're working hard. Everyone and their retarded brother can make a "dubstep" tune, just like everyone can play the harmonica like a champion, regardless of experience with the instrument.

It's a cheap and easy fad. What the Wii was to videogames, dubstep is to music. I'll give it another year or two before it goes the way of the trilobite and Clay Aiken.

These kind of arguments piss me off to no end! Not everyone, and certainly not their retarded brother has the knowledge to make ANY music. Like if I told some dude off the street 'ya man you just play with resetting LFO's and multi channel basslines' and they would be like 'oh, thats all it is?' Come on dude! Making any kind of music involves some knowledge, especially if it involves manipulation of complicated software or the ability to play an instrument. Also, even if anybody can make a dubstep or 'insert-genre-you-don't-like-here', obviously not everyone can make a good dubstep track or peeps wouldn't be constantly whining about how shit it all is, right?

As for your harmonica comment, that just drips with lack of knowledge, or an inability to identify the difference between actual playing and just blowing random notes. If that is your true opinion, no offense, but I would lump you in with the people incapable of making music. You sound like my friends who are all hot to trot to make music and think it's soooo easy, and then they can't even tap out a beat and keep time. Making any genre of music requires skill, it is only those who lack that skill that think its easy. If you want, since it's so easy, make a dubstep song that isn't shit and prove how easy it is. Making noise is easy, making noise into music is not.

As I said, I am not a huge fan, but I can appreciate some of it, and there really is no denying it is hugely popular right now and has been for a few years. So while some might not find it appealing, the masses are eating it up, which is what clubs are all about; they play what people want to hear!

And funny as it is, people do dance to it here, me included.

It helps if you are drunk, but its kind of across from a hip hop inspired grab your crotch with one hand and put the other one in the air 'like you just don't care' if you will, and moving around with kind of a slow kickstep.

It works.

I call it gorilla dancing!

It's pretty much the same dance I would do to old ragga jungle, but slower and more exaggerated.

My hay day with club dance music was the early-mid 90's jungle scene, and hardcore to a lesser degree.
At least here, I see dubstep as a natural progression and melding of old school jungle and 90's hiphop. All the jungle kids were also into hiphop, so eventually they started fusing them.

If you look at it that way dubstep is to electronic music as metalcore is to rock. They are fusions of the stuff people my age were listening to in the 90's. It might not all result in great music, but at least I can hear where it's coming from.

Please don't take this post as me defending dubstep, I agree 99% of it is shit and uninspired, but the same can be said about anything, especially when it becomes very popular and commercially viable.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:40 pm

At 22, Siren is a well refined music connoisseur and devout icycalm preacher. Please respect his opinion.

Vamos · Post by **Vamos** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:42 pm

Blackbird wrote:
Icarus wrote:Autechre leaves me cold, however. Way too weird for my liking.
It is kind of cold and inhuman, but I find that to be part of the charm. They do have a few odd "warmer" tracks, though, like this one:

Autechre - Slip

Autechre dont just make music for me they make entire environments i love them ,on the flip side of the spectrum in the world of minimalism i love SND to who are almost the absolute opposite of autechre and toured with them last year . Dubstep started off really well tbh almost 10 years ago and has literally followed the exact fate garage did as soon as it gained notoriety out came the gimmick which in this case is wobble basslines its beyond a joke! So il share 2 Dubstep artists that are superb and nothing like the gimmick wobble bullshit . As always its a case of digging through the shit to find the good .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2ZjWiKQqV4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wie0d387TxM

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:21 pm

CIT wrote: You know that this Dan Curtin track was essentially remixed by Manabu Namiki for Battle Garegga?

Risking the derail of the thread: didn't Namiki "covered" all Garegga songs from Detroit Techno's classics?

STG · Post by **STG** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:25 pm

Mero wrote:As others have said, the trouble with dubstep is that it's ridiculously slow. If it was any slower it'd stop altogether.

All I mostly listen to nowadays is my old tapes from 92-95(yes I've still got them). Drum & bass and happy hardcore both pretty much went down the toilet in the second half of the last decade, Scouse house and bassline house were ok for a while but they've died off now. Most current stuff just doesn't cut it for me.

I'm getting old

Great avatar btw.

Haven't heard too much dubstep although I know a few guys making it, a couple tunes I thought were pretty hot. I'm kind of the same way: I'm neck deep into the old stuff so I rarely check out the new stuff.

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:45 pm

And just to make matters worse:

I also can't stand the Presets' style of 'dance' music, and Electroclash.

Ok, I am still stuck at the Orb circa first three albums and KLF, so...

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:51 pm

Dafuq is dubstep? I guess I'm just not enough into electronic music to differentiate the sub-genres. Then again, I only divide rock and metal into different categories...

So where does Sweet Pretty Muthafuckin Country Acid House Music fall?

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