My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

[greg]

a grown man shouldn't be watching children's cartoons!

force fed stereotypical opinions and values are no arguments.

your view on what a "grown up man" is is wholy subjective, even though society might make it seem "right" to you. your words are not truth.

Completely true. There are plenty of people who think that a "grown man" should not spend money on amassing large collections of video games, yet pretty much anyone on this forum is guilty of doing exactly that. What somebody considers as what a "grown man" should or should not be into is totally subjective. I have stickers on my car of Snoopy, Bender from Futurama, and The Tick. You can't pick and choose to say that two of the three are fine for a "grown man" when there are plenty who'd say that all of them are immature.

[Domino]

The only thing good MLP did was this:

[Specineff]

Hey, guys. I sold all my games and anime figures and bought a lot of cuban cigars, aged whisky and sports memorabilia. Next week I'll go golfing with the guys at the club and discuss the current state of the stock market.

That gives me the right to call you all subnormal for spending money on PCBs featuring lolis and big-breasted underage girls under the pretense of recreating the arcade experience at home. (It's not the true arcade experience if it doesn't cost you anything to play, if you think about it.) Not to mention your questionable taste in what are basically toys and posters for movies tuned for an infantile mindset. Man up and surrender your hobbies for the sake of appealing to a society that doesn't care if you fall dead in the street tomorrow! It's the acceptable thing to do! Otherwise that society won't accept you and you'll always be an outcast!

[RNGmaster]

Hey, guys. I sold all my games and anime figures and bought a lot of cuban cigars, aged whisky and sports memorabilia. Next week I'll go golfing with the guys at the club and discuss the current state of the stock market.

That gives me the right to call you all subnormal for spending money on PCBs featuring lolis and big-breasted underage girls under the pretense of recreating the arcade experience at home. (It's not the true arcade experience if it doesn't cost you anything to play, if you think about it.) Not to mention your questionable taste in what are basically toys and posters for movies tuned for an infantile mindset. Man up and surrender your hobbies for the sake of appealing to a society that doesn't care if you fall dead in the street tomorrow! It's the acceptable thing to do! Otherwise that society won't accept you and you'll always be an outcast!

Because it wouldn't be shmups forum without Specineff's incessant white-knighting.

[renardqueenston]

Hey, guys. I sold all my games and anime figures and bought a lot of cuban cigars, aged whisky and sports memorabilia. Next week I'll go golfing with the guys at the club and discuss the current state of the stock market.

That gives me the right to call you all subnormal for spending money on PCBs featuring lolis and big-breasted underage girls under the pretense of recreating the arcade experience at home. (It's not the true arcade experience if it doesn't cost you anything to play, if you think about it.) Not to mention your questionable taste in what are basically toys and posters for movies tuned for an infantile mindset. Man up and surrender your hobbies for the sake of appealing to a society that doesn't care if you fall dead in the street tomorrow! It's the acceptable thing to do! Otherwise that society won't accept you and you'll always be an outcast!

Because it wouldn't be shmups forum without Specineff's incessant white-knighting.

i dunno he hit the nail on the hid pretty much exactly (as much as i like my whisky)

[greg]

Hey, guys. I sold all my games and anime figures and bought a lot of cuban cigars, aged whisky and sports memorabilia. Next week I'll go golfing with the guys at the club and discuss the current state of the stock market.

That gives me the right to call you all subnormal for spending money on PCBs featuring lolis and big-breasted underage girls under the pretense of recreating the arcade experience at home. (It's not the true arcade experience if it doesn't cost you anything to play, if you think about it.) Not to mention your questionable taste in what are basically toys and posters for movies tuned for an infantile mindset. Man up and surrender your hobbies for the sake of appealing to a society that doesn't care if you fall dead in the street tomorrow! It's the acceptable thing to do! Otherwise that society won't accept you and you'll always be an outcast!

Holy crap, I couldn't have said it any better!

THANK YOU!

[Skykid]

Hey, guys. I sold all my games and anime figures and bought a lot of cuban cigars, aged whisky and sports memorabilia. Next week I'll go golfing with the guys at the club and discuss the current state of the stock market.

That gives me the right to call you all subnormal for spending money on PCBs featuring lolis and big-breasted underage girls under the pretense of recreating the arcade experience at home. (It's not the true arcade experience if it doesn't cost you anything to play, if you think about it.) Not to mention your questionable taste in what are basically toys and posters for movies tuned for an infantile mindset. Man up and surrender your hobbies for the sake of appealing to a society that doesn't care if you fall dead in the street tomorrow! It's the acceptable thing to do! Otherwise that society won't accept you and you'll always be an outcast!

Holy crap, I couldn't have said it any better!

THANK YOU!

No, you simply amplified your side of the argument by offering a theoretical premise that's elaborate, unbalanced and one-sided. You exaggerated by using stereotypical people and scenarios to make your point, but that does nothing except paint a fanciful picture of a bloated alpha-male, which, for all intents and purposes, is fiction. In reality a successful and socially accepted individual can also be a collector of oddities, a hobbyist, but then he can also be a pedophile and a closet degenerate: the question you should have addressed is where the acceptable line should be drawn. So therefore you haven't succeeded at all in offering a reasonable explanation for an adult to spend time watching My Little Pony.

Just thought I'd set that straight before folks jumped the gun.

Try again plz.

[Specineff]

Ever heard of the terms "Playing Devil's Advocate" "Hyperbole" "Cynicism" "satire" and "sarcasm"?

[drauch]

I dunno. I'm still having a hard time trying to figure out why some of you guys have such a problem with this small handful of forum-goers who like a kid's show.

[Obiwanshinobi]

Adults watch My Little Pony because it pleases them and they let that flag of theirs fly because it's harmless. People like to demonstrate their affection for stuff.

[Blackbird]

In reality a successful and socially accepted individual can also be a collector of oddities, a hobbyist, but then he can also be a pedophile and a closet degenerate: the question you should have addressed is where the acceptable line should be drawn. So therefore you haven't succeeded at all in offering a reasonable explanation for an adult to spend time watching My Little Pony.

You said it right there in your post. A man can be a collector, a hobbyist, or watch cartoons and still be a successful and socially accepted individual. The line you are looking for is morality. Watching a cartoon is harmless - it isn't amoral like being a pedophile or an alcoholic.

[greg]

No, you simply amplified your side of the argument by offering a theoretical premise that's elaborate, unbalanced and one-sided. You exaggerated by using stereotypical people and scenarios to make your point, but that does nothing except paint a fanciful picture of a bloated alpha-male, which, for all intents and purposes, is fiction. In reality a successful and socially accepted individual can also be a collector of oddities, a hobbyist, but then he can also be a pedophile and a closet degenerate: the question you should have addressed is where the acceptable line should be drawn. So therefore you haven't succeeded at all in offering a reasonable explanation for an adult to spend time watching My Little Pony.

Just thought I'd set that straight before folks jumped the gun.

Try again plz.

Blah blah blah, you, Maxlords, Elixier, and everyone else were pwned by Spec. He pointed out that every one of us can be considered as "socially unacceptable" by the normaltards. Just because some of you pretend to be "more normal" than others and look down on others doesn't change the fact that you're still in the same boat. And I really hope you aren't inferring that those who watch MLP are "pedophiles and a closet degenerates." That's a rather weak argument and is completely subjective. Plenty of people can accuse you of being immature for playing video games, and for posting messages on a game forum. I can care less about what society thinks about what is immature or not. Most people only think about sex, beer, saving money by shopping at Wal Mart, watching craptacular shows like "Dancing with the Stars," boring-ass sports games, clothing, the whole Brad/Angelina/Jennifer's puke-inducing love triangle/publicity stunt, and watching insultingly bad movies that appeal to the lowest common denominator. Yo, F that S!

What is maturity? Maturity is controlling one's mouth: avoiding gossip and slander, avoiding the use of obscene language at inappropriate times, and knowing when to speak and when to keep one's mouth shut. Maturity is controlling one's anger. Maturity is getting a job, being independent, and not having to depend on others to make up one's mind on stuff. Maturity is being able to get along with others reasonably. Maturity is knowing what to do without having to depend on others for instruction all the time. And most importantly, maturity is learning from one's mistakes. Moreover, it takes even more maturity to learn from others' mistakes in order to avoid making the same mistakes. It has nothing to do with whether or not you play video games, watch cartoons, or read comic books. That includes children's cartoons.

In this jaded and cynical world, I think that enjoying something innocent and light-hearted is an honorable thing to do. Anyone who disapproves of that just needs to learn how to enjoy life more and not get all butt-hurt because others who have found something cute and fun are able to do so.

And no, I still haven't seen the show.

[drunkninja24]

I dunno. I'm still having a hard time trying to figure out why some of you guys have such a problem with this small handful of forum-goers who like a kid's show.

Because somehow "we just enjoy it" isn't a good enough explanation for why we like the show.

[Skykid]

Ever heard of the terms "Playing Devil's Advocate" "Hyperbole" "Cynicism" "satire" and "sarcasm"?

Yes, and I duly pointed out that by virtue of the above, your post can't work as a realistic counter argument.

You said it right there in your post. A man can be a collector, a hobbyist, or watch cartoons and still be a successful and socially accepted individual. The line you are looking for is morality. Watching a cartoon is harmless - it isn't amoral like being a pedophile or an alcoholic.

Of course not, it's harmless. But the line I'm talking about certainly isn't 'morality'? That's got little to nothing do with grown men watching little girl cartoons unless it presents a shrouded immoral purpose (like lolicon or pony-fucking.)

Blah blah blah, you, Maxlords, Elixier, and everyone else were pwned by Spec.

That certainly didn't happen. Look, I'll show you:

No, you simply amplified your side of the argument by offering a theoretical premise that's elaborate, unbalanced and one-sided. You exaggerated by using stereotypical people and scenarios to make your point, but that does nothing except paint a fanciful picture of a bloated alpha-male, which, for all intents and purposes, is fiction. In reality a successful and socially accepted individual can also be a collector of oddities, a hobbyist, but then he can also be a pedophile and a closet degenerate: the question you should have addressed is where the acceptable line should be drawn. So therefore you haven't succeeded at all in offering a reasonable explanation for an adult to spend time watching My Little Pony.

Just thought I'd set that straight before folks jumped the gun.

Try again plz.

See?

[greg]

See?

Yeah, I see that you're a nerd in denial. The sooner you stop pretending to be a normaltard, the happier you'll be. I don't care if it's MLP fans, vidiots, cosplayers, dungeonmasters, Pokemon cardgame fans, or furries. We're all nerds here, so enough of this posturing and condescention. Peace.

[evil_ash_xero]

I can't believe any adults actually watch this. My. Mind. Blown.

[greg]

I can't believe any adults actually watch this. My. Mind. Blown.

And I can't believe that anybody would be so socially insecure that it would prevent them from understanding that others might enjoy something innocent and fun.

[Vyxx]

I can't believe any adults actually watch this. My. Mind. Blown.

And I can't believe that anybody would be so socially insecure that it would prevent them from understanding that others might enjoy something innocent and fun.

Look, people all have hobbies, interests, find enjoyment in something that isn't in the realm of "normal", and yet we all still fit in and are socially accepted. Things like, still being a nerd, collecting dolls like Elixir, owning video games when you're 40, all that crap is seen as somewhat socially unaccepted, but it's on it's own level.

Grown men, who willingly watch a show about cartoon ponies, intended for a 6 YEAR OLD GIRL audience, goes beyond the realm of socially unaccepted, and into the world of CREEPY.

[Blackbird]

Grown men, who willingly go onto a forum just to complain about people that watch cartoon ponies, goes beyond the realm of socially unaccepted, and into the world of CREEPY.

[BulletMagnet]

Grown men, who willingly watch a show about cartoon ponies, intended for a 6 YEAR OLD GIRL audience, goes beyond the realm of socially unaccepted, and into the world of CREEPY.

I'm not an expert on this show, but I think it's pretty apparent that the vast majority of the "non-target audience" that watches it is probably not doing so for the same reasons the six-year-olds do: just because something has an "all ages" rating on it doesn't mean it has absolutely nothing in there for adults to "legitimately" enjoy. Heck, even the likes of Spongebob Squarepants has a hunk of jokes in it that kids wouldn't "get", at least not in the same way their parents would - and when you get into "TV-Y7" territory a la Rocko's Modern Life all bets are off.

[Skykid]

See?

Yeah, I see that you're a nerd in denial.

Ha ha, I'm a geek, sure. At least, that's what my girlfriend likes to tell me.

I've not really got anything to be in denial over though.

I'm a game collector, have been since I fell in love with the hobby twenty years ago. If I'm a geek for the rekindling of nostalgia and magpie tendencies, so be it.

I also have a shelf of figurines, all anime chicks with big tits and some with smaller tits. They're pretty cool, I pay that shelf a parting glance on occasion.

I used to read and watch a lot of anime, although far less so over the last ten years as anime and manga's modern themes don't often grab me. I also illustrate, and drew enough manga throughout my teens to feel competent in my abilities. Unfortunately these days it's mostly computer based graphic design.

I dislike weeaboo culture greatly, but I love geeks. Geeks are great, they rule the world. They're generally intelligent, polite and harmless; it just happens that some are more socially maladjusted than others.

So yes, I'm a geek if you like, I suppose collecting and playing games in my late twenties exemplifies that (although gaming pretty broadly accepted, presently.)

I'm more than fine with that. What I'm not is a grown man who watches My Little Pony, nor am I one who thinks that even by geek standards, doing so makes any kind of sense.

Sorry for rambling, in the meantime Vyxx has put it a lot more succinctly:

Look, people all have hobbies, interests, find enjoyment in something that isn't in the realm of "normal", and yet we all still fit in and are socially accepted. Things like, still being a nerd, collecting dolls like Elixir, owning video games when you're 40, all that crap is seen as somewhat socially unaccepted, but it's on it's own level.

Grown men, who willingly watch a show about cartoon ponies, intended for a 6 YEAR OLD GIRL audience, goes beyond the realm of socially unaccepted, and into the world of CREEPY.

[drauch]

Grown men, who willingly watch a show about cartoon ponies, intended for a 6 YEAR OLD GIRL audience, goes beyond the realm of socially unaccepted, and into the world of CREEPY.

I'm not an expert on this show, but I think it's pretty apparent that the vast majority of the "non-target audience" that watches it is probably not doing so for the same reasons the six-year-olds do: just because something has an "all ages" rating on it doesn't mean it has absolutely nothing in there for adults to "legitimately" enjoy. Heck, even the likes of Spongebob Squarepants has a hunk of jokes in it that kids wouldn't "get", at least not in the same way their parents would - and when you get into "TV-Y7" territory a la Rocko's Modern Life all bets are off.

I've never seen it either, but this kinda sums up my feelings. I think if it wasn't "for girls" people wouldn't have such a problem with it.

[Specineff]

Yes, and I duly pointed out that by virtue of the above, your post can't work as a realistic counter argument.

Not when taken in the literal sense. You must unlearn what you have learned.

Of course not, it's harmless. But the line I'm talking about certainly isn't 'morality'? That's got little to nothing do with grown men watching little girl cartoons unless it presents a shrouded immoral purpose (like lolicon or pony-fucking.)

Take ESP Galuda, for example. The characters change gender as part of the gameplay. Would that make it right for me to question the sexual preference, interests or psyche of anyone who plays it and enjoys it, mainly for all the other features that make the game fun? It's a bit of a freaky thing, but merely added for artistic purposes (Something to do with the female aspect of the male mind and vice-versa, if I remember correctly), and just a game.

Now, change the characters from ponies to teenage girls in a fantasy or medieval Japan setting. You still have the stubborn farmgirl, the magician/scholar who is the protege of the landlord, shogun or king. The artist, the warrior, the goofy spaz and the meek maid. How is it any different from the games, anime and comics we've seen in the past? The creator of the show simply pasted a premise with defined characters to a toy franchise to reboot it and appease the sponsor. I dare to think if that were the case, the show would be about as interesting and popular. (Take for example Last Airbender. It's basically an anime-style story made by an american studio. I dismissed it as a DBZ knockoff at the beginning, but the stories, premise and unique characters made it a winner.) It's just the wrapping. The candy inside is still good. Just as with ESP Galuda.

[RNGmaster]

Yeah, I see that you're a nerd in denial. The sooner you stop pretending to be a normaltard, the happier you'll be. I don't care if it's MLP fans, vidiots, cosplayers, dungeonmasters, Pokemon cardgame fans, or furries. We're all nerds here, so enough of this posturing and condescention. Peace.

>implying that there aren't different degrees of nerdy
Basically, by saying what you just said you're implying that all shmuppers are as geeky as Klingon speakers.
This is a nice bit of false equivalence, and it actually managed to work on me for a second, but I'll have to say that this is a no-sell in the end. You can always go lower, and in my opinion bronies occupy a lower tier than hardcore gamers. There's just something about the dergee of adherence and the dramatic change in personality that kind of creeps me out. Nothing that inspires irrational emotion the way MLP does in fans can be good.

And by the way, what happened to NeverScurred's po[DATA EXPUNGED]

[Drum]

Grown men, who willingly watch a show about cartoon ponies, intended for a 6 YEAR OLD GIRL audience, goes beyond the realm of socially unaccepted, and into the world of CREEPY.

I'm not an expert on this show, but I think it's pretty apparent that the vast majority of the "non-target audience" that watches it is probably not doing so for the same reasons the six-year-olds do: just because something has an "all ages" rating on it doesn't mean it has absolutely nothing in there for adults to "legitimately" enjoy. Heck, even the likes of Spongebob Squarepants has a hunk of jokes in it that kids wouldn't "get", at least not in the same way their parents would - and when you get into "TV-Y7" territory a la Rocko's Modern Life all bets are off.

I only saw the first couplee eps of MLP so I can't make any broad judgements, but it really seemed like a fundamentally different sort of cartoon than Rocko or Spongebob (or Power Puff Girls or Dexter's Lab or whatever). It was very much an adventure story aimed at kids - referential humour/satire was very incidental. It wasn't bad children's entertainment (especially for a toy commercial - it's clearly better than junk like Transformers G1 or Thundercats) and it seemed good-hearted, but it wasn't secretly deep and brilliant.
otoh, stuff like Deathsmiles and Muchi Muchi Pork are clealry more despicable and base. As long as we are comparing.

[Despatche]

Skykid, cut the trolling out. I can see right through your dumb tricks.

"socially unaccepted" vs "creepy".

Same thing.

Maybe we need to split some of this into a "morality" topic and watch as no one posts [anything good, if anyone posts at all] in it.

[Skykid]

Yeah, I see that you're a nerd in denial. The sooner you stop pretending to be a normaltard, the happier you'll be. I don't care if it's MLP fans, vidiots, cosplayers, dungeonmasters, Pokemon cardgame fans, or furries. We're all nerds here, so enough of this posturing and condescention. Peace.

>implying that there aren't different degrees of nerdy
Basically, by saying what you just said you're implying that all shmuppers are as geeky as Klingon speakers.
This is a nice bit of false equivalence, and it actually managed to work on me for a second, but I'll have to say that this is a no-sell in the end. You can always go lower, and in my opinion bronies occupy a lower tier than hardcore gamers. There's just something about the dergee of adherence and the dramatic change in personality that kind of creeps me out. Nothing that inspires irrational emotion the way MLP does in fans can be good.

^ In agreement with this mindset.

[ncp]

People need to realize that you're not getting trashed for watching the show, but for flaunting your fandom. I don't give a damn if you like the show, but posting about it on every forum you frequent, making it your avatar, and putting some dumb rainbow pony quote in your signature is just being an attention whore. There's plenty of shows that I absolutely love but I don't go out of my way just to let everyone know. This forum is relatively free of it though, so whatever. There are definitely posters that annoy me more than the pony fans.

[Paradigm]

Jesus Christ. Are you people actually trying to out-nerd each other by writing essays on morality and social acceptance, when the topic at hand is... My Little Pony???

The fact is, if you enjoy watching it; you're gay. Just accept that and stop all the wannabe intellectual arguments/justifications.

If we were having a conversation in person and you mentioned that you liked watching My Little Pony cartoons, I'd just think 'what a nonce' and so would anyone else in their right mind. Tough shit, that's just the way it is.

[Specineff]

The fact is, if you enjoy watching it; you're gay. Just accept that and stop all the wannabe intellectual arguments/justifications.

Please don't tell me that is the best you have in order to call out those with a different point of view. Seriously, way to drive your point.

So what are those who aren't against it, but haven't watched it either? Bi-curious?