The Smurfs (2011)

[cstle]

That is really REALLy sad.. Gainax is dead to me. Fuck their new artists. Their love for surrealist humor has crushed what mad them great. Way to take the gay conformist route. I mean LOOK at the detail on the left!! It makes the left one look like Melancholy of Suckacockahara for god's sake. Thraileor trash of animu, for sure. That's why otaku cream themselves over it.

I still need to see Wings Of Hommeamise, btw.

Panty and Stocking is anything but conformist or otaku pandering.

Hanamaru Youchien is a Gainax B-team (worthless) show anyways. It's insanity to compare Honneamise to it.

Madhouse never lost their touch. The new X-Men anime looks great.

They've only gotten better. Dennou Coil is 2007 and it's pretty much the best animated TV anime ever. Pretty much movie quality stuff there. It's a shame the series sold so poorly. The Girl Who Leapt Through Time and Summer Wars are pretty cool movies too.

Also, fuckin' Redline coming soon.

[Skykid]

Hanamaru Youchien is a Gainax B-team (worthless) show anyways. It's insanity to compare Honneamise to it.

Perhaps, but I sort of figured the images were a stylistic contrast more than anything.

They've only gotten better.

On that I emphatically beg to differ.

The Girl Who Leapt Through Time

Was that Madhouse?! Thanks for the reminder, that helps the argument greatly. What a steaming wet pile of drivel that was.

[Siren2011]

The Girl Who Leapt Through Time...What a steaming wet pile of drivel that was.

I'm shocked. How disappointing if true.

What didn't you like about it, Skykid? The trailer made it look super cool (I think Yoshiyuki Sadamoto was at the helm of the art direction for that one, no?). It's an interesting concept, too. Though I have no idea if someone has used it already.

Panty and Stocking is anything but conformist or otaku pandering.

I haven't seen it yet, so obviously I can't pass judgement on the story, but that art style is butt ugly. I couldn't even tell it was Gainax when I first lay my eyes on it. I thought it was the product of some trailer trash anime studio trying to make it in this dog-eat-dog world. I was right about one thing, at least.

However, it is clear that Abenobashi was catering to the tastes of stupid otaku, with its anime and game references and silly, incomprehensible, all-over-the-place plot (which doesn't take much creativity. Just make up shit as you go along, not worrying about if it conflicts with or contradicts established points in the story.) At that point, the easily impressed will have a field day with it, proclaiming to be "the best anime they've ever seen!".

[Observer]

The Girl Who Leapt Through Time...What a steaming wet pile of drivel that was.

I'm shocked. How disappointing if true.

What didn't you like about it, Skykid? The trailer made it look super cool (I think Yoshiyuki Sadamoto was at the helm of the art direction for that one, no?). It's an interesting concept, too. Though I have no idea if someone has used it already.

I think you answered yourself: it's the trailer that makes it look super cool. I think it's a decent movie but it just didn't do it for me either. Don't get me wrong but, like that old saying: "sobre gustos no hay nada escrito". As in, I'm entitled to dislike something, even if it was highly acclaimed or whatever.

As I said, it's ok... but then I see the Cowboy Bebop movie, Mononoke Hime, Nausicaa, the battle in Amaterasu of the Nadesico movie (with all those awesome ships and mechs everywhere), the glorious opening battle of Macross: Do you remember love? (with Max gunning down one of the zentradi ships, taking out the pilot and shooting him straight in the face, lol), Akira, the Wings of Honneamise (with the strange culture that I'm sure inspired Panzer Dragoon!) and the illusion simply falls apart to me. It's the same with 5 centimeters per second or Summer Wars. They are nice efforts but still fall short because I'm a stupid retard who wants grandiosity and exaggeration all the year, all the time

Anyway, I would suggest to refloat the "why anime sucks nowadays" thread (which isn't that old) and we can continue there, guys. I would add "why I'm sick of CGI cans, CGI vehicles, CGI people and CGI talking animals/things/dildos" or other philosophical topics too.

Let's leave this thread to those who dare to watch the movie and survive the experience.

[Mortificator]

Than the solution is simple: kill all of the otaku, cut off their (Gainax's) biggest soures of income, and they will have no other audience to cater to then the people who respect their old work, or else it's tits-up for them. The problem with that is, how in the hell am I going to bring all of those fuckers to one place?? a multinational Anime Con with the biggest voice actor panel ever, with "all blue-eyed female otaku handing out free blowjobs in Yuffie cosplay, no matter how ugly you are" as a promise on the advertisement?? Also, I will need a hydrogyn bomb as well as an aircraft that can't be detected on radar's feed.

Wait, wait... is that for real?

No.

Bloodlust was better than Ninja Scroll. Not exactly recent, though.

[Skykid]

Bloodlust was better than Ninja Scroll. Not exactly recent, though.

Son you had better get on your knees, say several hail mary's and flog thyself for even uttering such words. Bloodlust is as dry as a 90 year old fart compared to NS.

I'm shocked. How disappointing if true.

What didn't you like about it, Skykid? The trailer made it look super cool

I think you answered yourself: it's the trailer that makes it look super cool.

^ This. The trailer had my interest straight away, pretty rare for modern anime. And I liked the cover art on the DVD, so I bought it for a watch, sold it the next day.

It fails to live up to its time-travelling sci-fi promise completely. It's pretty scatty as a story and oddly paced, and is more interested in its angsty love story than anything else. Rather than a premise of any real depth, it turns out to be a thin and whimsical roundabout of boy meets girl with no point and surprisingly little soul. By the end it degenerates into what todays otaku would probably consider an 'artistic' retelling of the same bullshit unrequited love nonsense that seems to be obligatory in everything. And by the time you've sat through the fifth of its ten different endings (it basically has no idea what its doing in its last 25 minutes) you'll wonder why you just wasted an hour and a half of your life.

If these are the anime films winning awards these days, the industry has truly fallen.

[Ruldra]

If these are the anime films winning awards these days, the industry has truly fallen.

I still have hopes that Redline is as good as it looks in the trailer. We really need stuff like that in the media again.

[Observer]

Ruldra, you are my hero. THANK YOU SO MUCH for that video. As you said, if that movie is anything like the trailer and delivers, there is still hope. It's like a total blast to the past. I even saw some missile barrages and heavy metal dogs, holy shit, this better be awesome!

[Domino]

Son you had better get on your knees, say several hail mary's and flog thyself for even uttering such words. Bloodlust is as dry as a 90 year old fart compared to NS.

U mad?

[Siren2011]

U mad?

I can't recall when exactly this meme started bugging me, but seriously, stop it. You know he's not "mad". He's just passionately expressing his opinion.

In b4 someone responds to my post with "U mad"?

[BPzeBanshee]

U mad?

I can't recall when exactly this meme started bugging me, but seriously, stop it. You know he's not "mad". He's just passionately expressing his opinion.

In b4 someone responds to my post with "U mad"?

U mad bro?

Just kidding.

Every time I've been to the local 'mall' here and looked at the anime sections of the DVD stores I've taken a passing look and its hard to find something decent out of this so-called 'otaku' shit that's lying around. If I wanted pansy stuff I'd go and watch Love Hina, which was great the first time around to watch but I couldn't stand to watch again. Even the Guyver anime remake ended up being a bit .

Also funny how this thread turned from the new Smurfs movie into AAA ANIME IS LAMEO NOWADAYS YE YOUNGLING SHITS DONT KNOW ANYTHING BRUDDA.

[Skykid]

Son you had better get on your knees, say several hail mary's and flog thyself for even uttering such words. Bloodlust is as dry as a 90 year old fart compared to NS.

U mad?

Ha ha, no. More dumbfounded than mad.

I still have hopes that Redline is as good as it looks in the trailer. We really need stuff like that in the media again.

Instantly recognise that as the team who did World Record on the Animatrix, which was one of the better ones. Interesting to see a new anime being released with a futurisitic racing theme, even if it doesn't quite take itself as seriously as some of the older stuff. I'll try to catch this when it comes along.

[cstle]

Instantly recognise that as the team who did World Record on the Animatrix, which was one of the better ones. Interesting to see a new anime being released with a futurisitic racing theme, even if it doesn't quite take itself as seriously as some of the older stuff. I'll try to catch this when it comes along.

It's directed (as well as: Storyboard, Unit Director, Character Design, Animation Director, Background Design, Machine Design) by Takeshi Koike, so you are right. I don't really think the key staff are similar outside of that though. It'll probably be more heavily stylized with people like Hiroyuki Imaishi and Sushio doing key animation.

[Mortificator]

Bloodlust was better than Ninja Scroll. Not exactly recent, though.

Son you had better get on your knees, say several hail mary's and flog thyself for even uttering such words. Bloodlust is as dry as a 90 year old fart compared to NS.

It's weird to look at two movies from the same creative team that are so much alike and say that one's top ten material, while the other's bottom of the barrel. A mysterious sword dude is hired to find something, which boils down to him battling a bunch of superpowered killing freaks while being accompanied by a bushy-sideburned-yet-incompetent female sidekick. The focus is on the animation and fighting, and I simply liked the animation and fighting in Bloodlust better.

A list of the films' differences would be a lot shorter than their similarities. One has a feudal Japanese background and the other has a post-vampire apocalypse background. The protagonist in one makes wiseass remarks, while in the other the protagonist's demonic hand makes wiseass remarks. Oh, and Ninja Scroll had that scene straight out of the first D movie...

Heroine: "You should do me. For health purposes."
Hero: "No. I'm so manly that I don't feel the need to have sex with women."
Heroine: *swoon*

So if Bloodlust was set in Japan, and the left hand's lines were shifted to D, and a girl broke out the titties for D to turn down, you would love it.

[Skykid]

Bloodlust was better than Ninja Scroll. Not exactly recent, though.

Son you had better get on your knees, say several hail mary's and flog thyself for even uttering such words. Bloodlust is as dry as a 90 year old fart compared to NS.

It's weird to look at two movies from the same creative team that are so much alike and say that one's top ten material, while the other's bottom of the barrel. A mysterious sword dude is hired to find something, which boils down to him battling a bunch of superpowered killing freaks while being accompanied by a bushy-sideburned-yet-incompetent female sidekick. The focus is on the animation and fighting, and I simply liked the animation and fighting in Bloodlust better.

A list of the films' differences would be a lot shorter than their similarities. One has a feudal Japanese background and the other has a post-vampire apocalypse background. The protagonist in one makes wiseass remarks, while in the other the protagonist's demonic hand makes wiseass remarks. Oh, and Ninja Scroll had that scene straight out of the first D movie...

Heroine: "You should do me. For health purposes."
Hero: "No. I'm so manly that I don't feel the need to have sex with women."
Heroine: *swoon*

So if Bloodlust was set in Japan, and the left hand's lines were shifted to D, and a girl broke out the titties for D to turn down, you would love it.

On paper that all makes perfect sense, but in reality the same story can still be directed poorly the second, third, fourth etc. time it's done.

Bloodlust has all of the artistry, character and atmosphere, but completely lacks Ninja Scroll's raw flair. I can't think of a single battle in BL that has anything over the energy and spectacle of NS.
If anime is categorised, the two aforementioned films aren't going to be in the category that wins awards for scripting - that's Honneamise territory. They're action pieces, full of blood, sex and violence, and of the two Ninja Scroll is a tour de force where Bloodlust is a pretty but plodding slow burner that never reaches the heights of a man made of rock punching a dude through a brick wall.