Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
Ok, I picked up some boards from my PO Box at lunch and headed home to drop them off real quick. Decided I had time to test them real quick and with one of them the Exceleena made a weird screeching noise and then a poof of smoke came off the power supply. I took the PCB out and put in a working PCB and the Exceleena started up fine.
I almost had a heart attack, but I think everything is ok - does anyone know what the heck could've happened?
I almost had a heart attack, but I think everything is ok - does anyone know what the heck could've happened?
Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
Most likely a blown cap. Your board should be perfectly save, I think. If you're not knowledgeable enough to replace the bad caps, I'd suggest you toss that PSU. Otherwise, if you know someone with basic soldering skills, replacing the caps shouldn't be a problem.
Other than that, there's a possibility that a short was caused somewhere and more components were damaged. (less common, but happens)
Other than that, there's a possibility that a short was caused somewhere and more components were damaged. (less common, but happens)
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Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
Does this mean I should not be using my cab until I fix or replace the power supply?ZOM wrote:Most likely a blown cap. Your board should be perfectly save, I think. If you're not knowledgeable enough to replace the bad caps, I'd suggest you toss that PSU. Otherwise, if you know someone with basic soldering skills, replacing the caps shouldn't be a problem.
Other than that, there's a possibility that a short was caused somewhere and more components were damaged. (less common, but happens)
Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
If you have any means(multimeter) to check on voltages your PSU is outputting, you could test if they're alright (+5v, +12v, -5v, etc) before trying to hook anything else on it. Don't want to fry any further boards you hook on it...
Can you check for bulged caps and/or burned components & take a pic of the PSU-board?
Can you check for bulged caps and/or burned components & take a pic of the PSU-board?
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Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
I did this once because a wire on my JAMMA harness became frayed a bit and made contact with the un-grounded cab.
Lessons learned on many fronts for me there, especially since I had my head up in the cab when it blew.
Lessons learned on many fronts for me there, especially since I had my head up in the cab when it blew.
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Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
Jezus...you just described my worst fear when working on the cab.brentsg wrote:... since I had my head up in the cab when it blew.
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Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
Matskat on here can attest to me inhaling a lung full of magic smoke myself when a cap blew on a Quartet board I was going to sell him. Plugged it in, and didn't get anything on the screen, was reaching in the cab to turn it off, and bam got blindsided by the foulest smoke cloud ever. One of the 25 year old cap's let go on the board. Scared the shit out of me.
Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
I'll try to find time to check out the PSU board and take a picture. I just found a multimeter in my pile o' tools, I have no clue how to use it though. Good time to learn!ZOM wrote:If you have any means(multimeter) to check on voltages your PSU is outputting, you could test if they're alright (+5v, +12v, -5v, etc) before trying to hook anything else on it. Don't want to fry any further boards you hook on it...
Can you check for bulged caps and/or burned components & take a pic of the PSU-board?
Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
You won't regret it!shmup-o wrote:Good time to learn!
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Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
do the capacitors look any different after they "blow"?
I have a Truxton board that did this, but I cannot find abything visualy wrong with it. Should I replace all the caps?
I have a Truxton board that did this, but I cannot find abything visualy wrong with it. Should I replace all the caps?
Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
^If we're talking electrolytic caps, sometimes they form a "bulge" on the top, separating the four sections. (This also happens if a bad cap is leaking)
It's also possible that the top looks perfectly fine but they get bulged on the bottom side, which might be a bit harder to spot. Mind you, I'm not an expert on this, just seen my fair share of damaged components.
EDIT: Just looked at a pic of a Truxton PCB, seems there's just a bunch of axial caps on those boards. I'd say it shouldn't take too much work to replace them and it doesn't do any harm replacing them eitherway. I'd also take a look at the diodes there, checking with a multimeter if they pass current just from their intended direction.
If still nothing goes, an other possibility are those transistors near the Jamma pins. The problem is you never know if the damage also killed some ICs...
It's also possible that the top looks perfectly fine but they get bulged on the bottom side, which might be a bit harder to spot. Mind you, I'm not an expert on this, just seen my fair share of damaged components.
EDIT: Just looked at a pic of a Truxton PCB, seems there's just a bunch of axial caps on those boards. I'd say it shouldn't take too much work to replace them and it doesn't do any harm replacing them eitherway. I'd also take a look at the diodes there, checking with a multimeter if they pass current just from their intended direction.
If still nothing goes, an other possibility are those transistors near the Jamma pins. The problem is you never know if the damage also killed some ICs...
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Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
I'm pretty sure the cap is bad, the one right next to the molex plug is bulging. That is also where I saw the puff of smoke as well (I thought it was from the molex plug originally, but from the front of the cab the cap is right behind it).
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I have a few more pics of the board as well, all shot with a camera phone with the power supply board still in the cab. I ran out of time trying to take it out, can post better pics later.
Can someone point me to a good guide on using a multimeter?
Thanks for the help!!
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I have a few more pics of the board as well, all shot with a camera phone with the power supply board still in the cab. I ran out of time trying to take it out, can post better pics later.
Can someone point me to a good guide on using a multimeter?
Thanks for the help!!
Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
Yeah, that's definitely one I'd replace. The rest seems to look ok, at first glance.
As for the multimeter, they come in all flavours but for this kind of work a basic one is more than enough.
As for using it, there should be plenty of guides on the net - a quick search googling "using a multimeter" gave the following result which is already easy enough to understand, I think: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Multimeter
Also, youtube should be full of informative videos about the topic.
EDIT: I almost forgot the most important: inform yourself well before sticking those probes in the wrong places! Note that (obviously) the PSU needs to be running to measure the molex plug's various voltage outputs; don't touch any of the components while the thing is running. Electricity deserves your utmost respect.
As for the multimeter, they come in all flavours but for this kind of work a basic one is more than enough.
As for using it, there should be plenty of guides on the net - a quick search googling "using a multimeter" gave the following result which is already easy enough to understand, I think: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Multimeter
Also, youtube should be full of informative videos about the topic.
EDIT: I almost forgot the most important: inform yourself well before sticking those probes in the wrong places! Note that (obviously) the PSU needs to be running to measure the molex plug's various voltage outputs; don't touch any of the components while the thing is running. Electricity deserves your utmost respect.
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Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
I watched a tutorial (three to be exact ) and checked the voltages at the jamma edge connector. I got the following readouts:
12V: 11.3
-5V: -6.64
5V: 5.22
5V: 5.22
Then I checked the PCB which blew the cap in the first place and it came up just fine- weird. Maybe disconnecting and reconnecting everything helped out?
Let me know if anything looks out of place - the 5Vs look like they should be fine, the 12V might be an issue, but the -5V seems really off.
Thanks for your help on this!!
12V: 11.3
-5V: -6.64
5V: 5.22
5V: 5.22
Then I checked the PCB which blew the cap in the first place and it came up just fine- weird. Maybe disconnecting and reconnecting everything helped out?
Let me know if anything looks out of place - the 5Vs look like they should be fine, the 12V might be an issue, but the -5V seems really off.
Thanks for your help on this!!
Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
I'm glad to be of some help!
AFAIK the ideal tolerance on PSU voltage rails are +/-5% for positive voltages and +/-10% for negative. The only weird one is indeed that -5v running @ -6.64, but it's still acceptable, I think. (if anyone reading this knows better, please correct me)
I really don't know how that "unhealthy" cap is related to the boards output pins, but everything seems fine so far. I wouldn't be too worried about the -5v since few games use it and if they do it's mostly for sound.
AFAIK the ideal tolerance on PSU voltage rails are +/-5% for positive voltages and +/-10% for negative. The only weird one is indeed that -5v running @ -6.64, but it's still acceptable, I think. (if anyone reading this knows better, please correct me)
I really don't know how that "unhealthy" cap is related to the boards output pins, but everything seems fine so far. I wouldn't be too worried about the -5v since few games use it and if they do it's mostly for sound.
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Re: Poof! What was that cloud of smoke in my Exceleena?
Thanks again ZOM - I think I'll take the concern to KLOV and/or Arcade Otaku for advice as well. I have issues with two -5v volume games, but it could just be a coincidence.ZOM wrote:I'm glad to be of some help!
AFAIK the ideal tolerance on PSU voltage rails are +/-5% for positive voltages and +/-10% for negative. The only weird one is indeed that -5v running @ -6.64, but it's still acceptable, I think. (if anyone reading this knows better, please correct me)
I really don't know how that "unhealthy" cap is related to the boards output pins, but everything seems fine so far. I wouldn't be too worried about the -5v since few games use it and if they do it's mostly for sound.