I need help! - Can someone translate some endings of games?

[Skykid]

Disgusting? No, it's fucking awesome. Really.

No, it's just disgusting.

[DoDonDie]

Yuma is a trap and Alice is reverse trap. Right?

[ratikal]

Yuma is a trap and Alice is reverse trap. Right?

I think their both males. I'm going by the fact that there is a lack of porn of them with boobs. (Deviant art can be scary alright?)

[BPzeBanshee]

No one's mentioned JD the Fifth here. He's a male but the strange clothing and drawing design of the face makes it seem otherwise.
Oh, and Cuilan. Poor android listens to everything Changpo tells him, including the "cute girl clothes" fashion sense.

[Treasurance]

I told you it was awesome

[Vyxx]

I told you it was awesome

That's still just creepy and overall rather disturbing.

[DoDonDie]

bump

[xybur]

For what it's worth, I'd love an english transcription of the ending(s) to ketsui as well seeing as the stuff is written in a stylistic kanji that flies by quickly which makes it hard to read even if you are remotely familiar with the langauge. That and it's probably my favorite shmup.

I'm not sure why the thread degenerated into trap discussion/4chan lite but yeah if anyone would be willing to share with their knowledge, that'd be great.

[esreveR]

>See the first post

Eh I'd like to know too

>See rest of thread

God damn it what is wrong with this board

[TransatlanticFoe]

I'm not sure why the thread degenerated into trap discussion/4chan lite but yeah if anyone would be willing to share with their knowledge, that'd be great.

Frankly, I am amazed that Admiral Ackbar didn't appear.

On a more related note, how widespread are fan translations for ROMs? I found out about the Gleylancer one, which made the cutscenes worthwhile, but do similar things go down for Japanese only arcade ROMs for MAME?

[Despatche]

No one would dare hack arcade roms. It's already bad enough just taking up a given console, or even a given game; 'arcade hardware' in general is made up of millions of 'consoles'.

[Glick]

I'd really love to see Ketsui ending translations someday. The intro to the story is great, and I'm curious to see what happens to these pilots.

[xybur]

Ok so a dear friend of mine knows japanese rather well, and has helped me to translate both endings of Ketsui (Thank you kindly theWertle!). This is probably my favorite shmup, but I am going to put this info and any other things I can get my hands on into a new wiki project I'll be hopefully starting soon (Hint Hint, Nudge Nudge: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=35796 . Please support this idea if you want more of this kind of stuff!)

There is ALOT of info in the ending that isn't explicitly stated anywhere else (save for the cave bio website and possibly the xbox 360 manual and insanity doom dvds). I have access to all of this info and as part of the shmup wiki project for ketsui will be translating/scanning all of these resources so that any english speaker will have access to anything ketsui (this includes strats, walkthroughs, achievements, you name it). Hopefully with time other shmups will be given the same care and attention as well.

There are two unique endings and as far as I know no extra ending except for the credits that scroll after you beat the game defeating the True Last Boss Evacannia Doom. Ending A focuses on Evansman for a bit, and then talks about the relationship between Yume and Alice (they are apparently half-siblings with different dads). Ending B focuses on Steele and then the second part of the ending is the same as the first. So, without further ado, the translated endings to Ketsui.

Ship A:

Screen 1
Evansmann was thinking about the person he loves.

It's true, try as he might, he never was able to win the hand of the person he loves.

Screen 2
His wish was for that person to be completely isolated.
That way, he couldn't be touched by anyone.

"Even if I'm dead, no one will be able to touch him.
Him and his life, they all belong to me!"

(editors note: Based on the reading of these sentences, and how they are phrased in the original japanese i.e. 彼, kare, which means "him" or "he", it is heavily implied in the ending that Evansman is a "power top", and has a gay love interest. At the very least, it is implied that Lloyd is in love with a man that either does not know that Evansmann loves him, or is aware of Evansmann's love for him but instead has refused Evansmann. This is backed up by a translation of Evansmann's character bio on the official Cave site for the game, "He is a cold-blooded man who wouldn't think twice about placing his subordinates in danger to achieve [perfection]." Thus, it is easy to see the implication that he is a somewhat abusive and jealous homosexual).

Screen 3
United Nations Secret Force's plan for a sudden attack on EI co. (ED note: EI is EVAC Industry)

During his secret investigation, Alice succeeded in stealing new weapons
technology being developed by EI co.

Screen 4
However, while the battle at that time was away from the civilian sector, many
lives were sacrificed.
From here on, Alice realized that in order to keep his younger brother out of
danger, he would leave from Yuma's place alone.

Yuma hated his brother.
A brother who was a spy, and a brother who tossed him aside...

Screen 5
Yuma's hatred towards his brother led him to the military, where Yuma became hardened.
He surpassed his brother and looking to exact revenge on his brother his name became deadly.

Screen 6
However now that he knows the truth, he's accepted his brother's thoughts towards him.

Screen 7
Along with their inevitable eternal serparation...

Screen 8
"To fight and to die, it's fine if it's just me...
Yuma, I can't let you die. You've got to live on."

"Brother... Thank you..."

Screen 9
The news of EI co.'s destruction spread across the world before the days end.
However, it was said to have been caused by an accident during devlopment, and the truth faded into obscurity.

-------------------------------------------------------

Ship B:

Ending Type-B

Screen 1
Steele was remembering his home country.
How he persecuted, growing up in poverty.

Having been a part of guerilla activites as a child, many of his companions died right before his eyes.

Screen 2
"As long as they're free, this country and everyone in it can surely be happy!"

Screen 3
His wish is for the freedom of his country. That is to say, for the end of war in his country.

'"I will give up my life if i must. So that everyone can live in harmony..."

Screen 4 and On is the same as the ending from Screen 3 on Ship Type A ending

If you didn't already know, the Story of Ketsui is one of an impossible Suicide mission. The orders of the soliders involved were to secretly fly into Evac Industry and destroy the wicked arms dealers while stealing their technology in order restore the world to peace. At the completion of their mission, win or lose, they were ordered to suicide themselves. The endings reflect the final thoughts of the pilots involved before their deaths. Obviously there is much more involved in the story than just simply this, but this is a synopsis.


IF YOU WANT MORE OF THIS I ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER HELPING MY WIKI PROJECT ALONG WITH IDEAS, VOLUNTEERING TO GET CERTAIN GAME INFO OFF THE GROUND GLEANED FROM OTHER SITES (with permission if applicable), AND WITH WEB SAAVY (i.e. ideas for web hosting, if you're good with coding and wikis, solutions to set them up etc.) PM me if you're interested. I'm planning on handling the entirety of ketsui on my own with help from the better players for strats and the like.

Thanks for your attention

[TJB]

Thanks for posting that xybur, gotta admit the ending for Type-A caught me off guard :V It did get me thinking though, I wonder whatever happened to Bond and Dyne after Ibara? My knowledge of the story doesn't go much further than the translation on world-of-arcades.

Anyway, good luck with the wiki project~

[Remxi]

Anyone know if the Mushihimesama Futari endings have been translated? I asked in the thread but it was lost amongst an argument...

[ratikal]

Wow, Lloyd is a dick. Steele is obviously the more noble man. I don't know if it's because I'm tired, but I don't understand the whole story with Alice and Yume, I think mainly because I'm tired and the wording. Also, how would Type-B be the same if it was Yume that died and not Alice. Does Yume realize the reasons of Alice's actions before he dies? What is Alice's take?

But anyways, I'm probably asking too much. Thank you so much for the translation as it brings a fulfilling closure to the story for me.

Now, do you mind doing the Ketsuipachi ending?

[xybur]

It did get me thinking though, I wonder whatever happened to Bond and Dyne after Ibara? My knowledge of the story doesn't go much further than the translation on world-of-arcades.

Anyway, good luck with the wiki project~

I've only recently started getting into Ibara (Pink Sweets at that) so I'm not terribly familiar with the back story. I know the girls were bosses in the first game, and then in PS you get to play as them. I don't know the rationale for it, other than its a similarity to what they did between DDP DOJ and DDP DFK.

It will get covered eventually though seeing as I'm personally going to focus on gathering data for CAVE games first and filling things out accordingly. I hope people who are more familiar with the other games will fill the holes out. And I'll do what I can to translate what hasn't been looked at.

And thanks

Anyone know if the Mushihimesama Futari endings have been translated? I asked in the thread but it was lost amongst an argument...

If and when I get done with Ketsui, I'm going to next focus on both Mushi games. I spent considerably more time on Futari and I've done some preliminary translation work on it already. Thankfully the endings are very simple, and they're a continuation of the events of the first game. (First game had you fight and kill your older brother, second game is the jealous queen. And then the ghost of your dead older brother comes back and lets you know everything okay). In-game doesn't do a great job at explaining the motivations of either character, but the instruction manuals do give a bit of background.

Wow, Lloyd is a dick. Steele is obviously the more noble man. I don't know if it's because I'm tired, but I don't understand the whole story with Alice and Yume, I think mainly because I'm tired and the wording. Also, how would Type-B be the same if it was Yume that died and not Alice. Does Yume realize the reasons of Alice's actions before he dies? What is Alice's take?

But anyways, I'm probably asking too much. Thank you so much for the translation as it brings a fulfilling closure to the story for me.

Now, do you mind doing the Ketsuipachi ending?

Yeah, Ketsui is mostly a story about the relationship between the two co-pilots than it is about the main pilots, surprisingly. And I guess it's fitting, since on the cover art for the xbox version/official poster art , both co-pilots are standing next to each other and Alice is prominently displayed as the iconic, somber, back turned to you character on the title screen.

Alice, 23, is the older brother, Yume, 18, is the younger. They share a mom but different dads. In the story, BOTH ships with both sets of pilots were sent on the mission to Evac Industry. You get to see either Evansman's or Steele's ending depending on which main pilot you pick, but for the purposes of the overarching storyline, the ending spends the most time on the relationship between Yume and Alice.

Alice knew that in order to keep his brother alive, he had to leave his hometown secretly to enlist. The implication seems to be that Yume looked up to Alice, and if Yume knew that Alice was going to leave, Yume also would have wanted to follow his brother. Alice left without saying anything, but his plan backfired because as soon as Yume found out, he enlisted anyway.

Alice's character is that he mostly stays quiet and follows orders to the letter. Mostly because he doesn't want to explain to people about his brother. Yume misinterpreted why his brother left, and on top of that heard stories that Alice was a spy for the army (which can be construed to imply that spying and deceit is generally frowned upon, could be a Japanese thing?). So, Yume enlisted to get back at his brother and prove he could be better than him. That was his motivation, to become the best pilot ever and get revenge. Once Yume got in and realized the real purpose of Alice's enlisting, he understood what his brother was actually trying to do which was to stop EI, save the world, and keep Yume safe. Alice stole EI's new ship technology (which is why in stage 5 you fight the clone ships). The technology that Alice stole while spying created the ships you fly in the game.

Obviously, Yume realizes that a bit too late. While Alice is dying he tells Yume that it's okay if he himself dies, Alice just didn't want Yume to die. Yume thanks his brother, but as stated earlier the mission orders were specifically that every pilot has to suicide at the end, regardless of victory or defeat. Maybe the ending is written in such a way that makes you think "Maybe Yume is okay, since Alice's wish was for him to be safe" but the last slide clearly states that when EI was stopped, news spread and the army attributed it to an accident at the EI manufacturing plant. So that means the mission was a relative success because no one except the parties involved knew what actually happened.

Like the original Donpachi and Dodonpachi, the actual story is pretty depressing. CAVE has a penchant for writing pretty somber and depressing storylines, haha.

Also I need to FINISH playing a full run of Ketsupachi before I can write about it. Trust me though, it's on the backburner. I bought the game so I'll be perusing through my instruction manual for any additional data on it.

[xybur]

Also, whoever contributed the Ketsui page on wikipedia did an excellent job at explaining the story and the reasons why the pilots had to suicide, as well as why Evansman's wish, for example, came to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketsui:_Ki ... achi#Story

[ratikal]

If you want, I can capture the ending of Ketsuipachi with my iPhone. It may help prove my crazy theory of Ketsui and Dodonpachi being in the same universe.

[xybur]

If you can get decent, clear pictures of the screens, then sure. Ketsui was kind of an issue because the stylized font, the lack of time on screen, and the amount of detail (or lack thereof) of the kanji. But my friend, crafty as he is, found a website that had a bunch of transposed text to endings which made the translation a breeze. Since the ending to ketsupachi hasn't been added on there yet, some clear screen shots would definitely help.

[SFKhoa]

The relationship between Yuma and Alice makes more sense now. I was wondering why he had the tattoo with Yuma's name on his arm.

[ratikal]

Here's the ending for Ketsuipachi after defeating HIVAC.


Make what you want of it

[DoDonDie]

Now Akai Katana please.

[xybur]

Here's the ending for Ketsuipachi after defeating HIVAC.
http://i54.tinypic.com/2l2atx.png

Make what you want of it

Alright sweet, I'll get my friend on it. Thanks for the clear pics.

[xybur]

Oh you're gonna get a kick out of the ending for Ketsuipachi. It has plenty to do with the pronunciation of things.

Granted, the overall story arc and motivations are relatively vague, I'm working out some translation kinks with my friend to ensure we're getting the right implication, but I don't think you'll be disappointed.

[xybur]

Ok, well, I'm happy with what we have here but it's still admittedly a little vague. I guess the lack of info setting up the reason for the mission in the first place is what I'm missing. I'm going to have to run through the manual later with my friend and see if there is any info in there that helps explain it but it seems like the book basically just tells you how to play.

As always, credit goes to theWertle:



1
"Mission Complete!
Huge Success! Thanks for your hard work!"
The operator's voice says.

2
In the distant past, this was originally prepared as a realistic battle, an aircraft test simulation.

3
Failing an operation where your life is at stake is unforgivable. You can never be too prepared. And that aircraft just now should be proof enough of that.

4
"That last aircraft, do you think it was the secret weapon EI co. was developing?
Were fights in the past like that too?"

5
The data on this aircraft was lost.
Even when they investigated this incredibly mysterious ship, all they could make out was the faint phrase "Hi-...VA...C"

6
Displaying a terrifying battle power, it seemed to cast light on both a sinister and heavenly figure.

7
...
"Hai Vaccania...? Hai Va Ku...,

8
Hi va..., shii..."
...?

ED Note:
I said 'secret weapon' where the kanji says "Special Battle Machine" for a better english approximation.

Also, if you didn't get it: most people were probably pronouncing the name of the boss like "HAI-VAC" (like the vac in vacuum), Based on how pronunciation works in japanese though, C is typically pronounced like the character Shii in japanese. I've seen some an example of that on a music game called beatmania IIDX (i.e. the sound producer "yoshitaka" has written his name before as 4ctaka -> 4-(yo)-C(shii)-taka).

See what's going on here? The implication is if you take HIVAC (which is definitely a reference to EVAC/Evacannia Doom since they specifically mentioned EI in the ending of this game), and pronounce it differently, using japanese conventions you get: HEE VAH SHII, which is an obvious reference to Hibachi.

So speculation:

The thing I'm not sure about exactly is whether or not what just happened is actually "real" or if it was a simulation for these particular pilots (I think they're like women versions of the ketsui pilots honestly, haha). If you look closely, it looks like they're holding VR helmets in their hands. In ketsui, there were no helmets that the pilots wore. The operator mentions a simulation (which, if you want to get technical can be taken as a reference to the earliest of the Dodopachi games where at the end you discover you were actually sent on a mission killing your comrades for the sake of training yourself to be the best pilot) but it seems like maybe the operator was referring to what happened "historically" in Ketsui, the events of which became the basis of this "simulation" as well.

The pilots speak as if they were surprised to have found and fought HIVAC at the end, which is why I question whether or not this was "real" or a VR simulation that happened to have a piece of hidden code that manifested itself at the end. And they said the info on the ship was "lost" so it adds to the mystery of the situation.

We'll need some more background info on the actual premise of Ketsupachi to correctly get the implication of what was said in this ending, but I think this is enough to tide you guys over for now.

[ratikal]

Great job translating this. It takes multiple readings to understand it all but it sort of makes sense.

I should also point out that after that last screen, it shows the text "-MOON BASE 2048 AD-". In 1.5, this was the pilots original time, but in this, could it be the 6 or so years before the events of Ketsui?

Well anyways, my crazy theory (that may not be true now) was that Alice and Lloyd before Ketsui went back in time to stop the elemental dolls. After their mission is a success, the founders of EVAC find the advanced technology of CAVE Weapons Co. in the rubble of the war (possibly many years later). They use this to their advantage and create their own weapons and switch the name around to EVAC, similar to what CyberDYNE does in the Terminator series.

Could this simulation have been the real thing? In Ender's Game, the main character believes that the aliens he's killing is all a simulation until the end where he learns it was real all along. Could it be the same here?

I'm probably putting too much thought into this, but I just find video game stories interesting. I mean, if you play a game a lot and love it, you kind of want to know everything about it. Thanks again for the translation.

[xybur]

Here is a revised translation given some context. I had my friend re read some of the phrases with different context and it helped clear some things up. Apparently this is in fact a virtual simulation ("and it was all just a dream...")

If you want to believe Ketsui was in the same continuity as Dodonpachi, this game is set in some DDP related (alternate?) reality, and the events of Ketsui happened years previous to this, which was the basis of this simulation that the pilots play through. The pilots might be "female counterparts" of Lloyd and Alice, since they don't look like themselves, and obviously they wouldn't be 1) Alive since they died at the end of Ketsui and 2) wouldn't be so far into the future talking about how this happened in the past.

Revised Translation below:

1
"Mission Complete!
Huge Success! Thanks for your hard work!"
The operator's voice says.

2
This flight test simulation was originally designed after a supposedly real

battle from the distant past.

3
Failing an operation where your life is at stake is unforgivable. You can never

be too prepared. And that flight just now should be proof enough of that.

4
"That last aircraft, do you think it was the secret weapon EI co. was developing?
Was the battle in the past like that too?"

5
The data on this aircraft was lost.
Even when they investigated this incredibly mysterious ship, all they could make

out was the faint phrase "Hi-...VA...C"

6
Displaying a terrifying battle power, it seemed to cast light on both a sinister

and heavenly figure.

7
...
"Hai Vaccania...? Hai Va Ku...,

8
Hi va..., C..."
...?

[xybur]

So maybe the origin of Evaccania DOOM was that it was based off the prototype of Hibachi. Maybe EVAC Industry built DOOM from Hibachi a few years after, since the star date given you stated was a few years before the events of Ketsui? 2008 is when DFK happened (and ultimately when the original DDP happened as well). I don't think a difference of less than 50 years is "long, long ago in the past" but...

Not sure, the basis of DFK was that time travel was going on, so maybe temporal rifts are the explanation for all of this.

[ratikal]

When you say the basis of the simulation, do you mean the Ketsui mission or the Daifukkatsu mission? The game is basically Daifukkatsu with Ketsui mechanics.

Also, I think you are right that they are female counterparts. Lloyd looks really feminine, they're both wearing V-necks (usually only women wear those), I can sort of see some breasts, and everything else in the game is girly. At least Alice's name actually works here. I always hoped that it was just a misspelling of Alec or Alex, unless Alice is a manly name in Japan.