Best Display results for PS2 Shooters on HDTV

[stryc9]

I am running a PS2 using component cable into a 50" Samsung Plasma in Yoko mode. Do any of these upscalers work to produce a better image or am I wasting my time?

[GaijinPunch]

I am running a PS2 using component cable into a 50" Samsung Plasma in Yoko mode. Do any of these upscalers work to produce a better image or am I wasting my time?

For the 240p games, you can use an XRGB-2 and use fake scanlines. It's pretty nice, and lag is somewhat minimal. I've heard 2-3 frames, but take that w/ a grain of salt. You'll need a Japanese RGB cables (somewhat cheap) and your TV will need VGA in though (or you'll need to convert).

[stryc9]

Hang on, are you saying these upscaler boxes have fake scanline functions built in?

[Fudoh]

Head over to the hardware forum, join the XRGB discussion thread. Also check my website for basically all upscalers available (and lots of screenshots):

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/

The XRGB2+ and XRGB-3 (which both do scanline emulation) accept component video as well, so you don't need RGB cables for a PS2. The XRGB2+ and XRGB-3 are lag-free, so all you have to deal with is your display's input lag.

[evil_ash_xero]

I am running a PS2 using component cable into a 50" Samsung Plasma in Yoko mode. Do any of these upscalers work to produce a better image or am I wasting my time?

I have a XRGB 3, and have never been quite satisfied with the picture on my (very small) LCD. I can imagine how it'd look on a 50 inch. And your TV will probably introduce a lot of lag, which ain't so hot for shmups.

I would just try to track down a smallish CRT with component input, and treat it well.

[Ghegs]

Moved to Hardware.

[gray117]

The solution may be to use xrgb to linedouble [pretty much lag free]. Xrgb can scale but introduces lag when doing the scaling...

The trick is in determining what your needs are. [Is the issue scanlines and/or de-interlacing an issue and/or picture sharpness and/or input lag?]

As a tip you might even find that vga into your tv has less lag due to less post-processing than component... Depending on how sensitive you are to lag you might find that even with [xrgb scaling lag] you bypass some other input lag you've always had anyways...

Other than that another choice maybe to use an alternative or an additional scaler to scale footage to hd.

As mentioned fudoh's site is indeed required reading.

Another potentially useful link in 240p hacking ps2 games:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... t=240p+ps2

[neorichieb1971]

XRGB2 doesn't fare well on LCD technology. I have a monitor here sitting in the box doing nothing because I bought it for the purpose of upscaling older games and it turned out rather sour.

I did have a CRT monitor 2 years ago that looked wonderful through the same set up.

If I put the XRGB2 on my big 40" TV, it does actually look better than the VGA monitor. The problem now being that everything is so big its blocky. But still, its the best image I can get with what I have.

Mine is the 2, not the 2+.. Mine uses RGB cables, not component.. I doubt there is much difference though.

[Ganelon]

For the 240p games, you can use an XRGB-2 and use fake scanlines. It's pretty nice, and lag is somewhat minimal. I've heard 2-3 frames, but take that w/ a grain of salt. You'll need a Japanese RGB cables (somewhat cheap) and your TV will need VGA in though (or you'll need to convert).

XRGB line doubling still adds display lag? I thought it was 1 frame or negligible and that only scaling adds lag. Have comprehensive tests been performed?

Also, I've been on the lookout for RGB21 cables. Where can they be found for cheap? All I can find are SCART cables with converting cables to RGB21 but I'd rather not introduce an extra cable that would compromise the whole point of optimal visual quality.

[Strider77]

XRGB line doubling still adds display lag?

No, it doesn't.... it may add like .23 of a frame lag wise and that is non existent for a human to see or notice. How your particular TV handles 480p MAY cause you higher lag though, but it's the TV and not XRGB. Unless you have a XRGB3 and are using it's crappy scaler instead of the line doubler.