The new CRT discharge & handling discussion

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How do you discharge? monitors?

High voltage probe + multimeter set lower
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14%
The snappy screwdriver + wire trick
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36%
I wouldn't ever discharge a CRT
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No votes
I can't afford the probe + multimeter
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No votes
I'M BATMAN
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50%
 
Total votes: 14

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Ed Oscuro
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The new CRT discharge & handling discussion

Post by Ed Oscuro »

I guess we've had one of these before, but I felt like starting off new.

First off, I've poked around in some CRTs before discharging them and didn't suffer any consequences (that I know of) whatsoever. I've wiped dust off the flyback transformers, back glass, and other random wires of a Dell P992 (which I'm still waiting on a part for btw) and on the ancient bolted-in CRT of a classic Taito cocktail (the infamous Stratovox cabinet), no big deal. Maybe I shouldn't have done this without discharging them. Doing it at some point was still a good idea, though, because that oily super-condensed dust can (so Wikipedia tells me, and it stands to reason) short out the monitor, in theory.

About discharging. I know of the screwdriver method - how does everybody else do it? A fellow named Ken Layton posted at Digital Press and I was impressed with what I read. I'll just copy that in, but first, here's a guide with pictures on discharging monitors without screwdrivers. I'm a little surprised, but it doesn't take a lot of dough to get the multimeter and high voltage probe, easily less than $60 for both parts.

Anyway, Prof. Layton's post:
Ken Layton wrote:[...] If you are going to work on the monitor main board, you should discharge the monitor's high voltage. You should remove the boards from the monitor to work on them. Don't try the "balancing act" of trying to work on the boards while still in the monitor. [...]

If you are removing a complete monitor from the cabinet there's no need to discharge it. However, you do need to disconnect the power cable, video/sync input cable, and frame ground wire from the monitor before lifting it out. Always have a helper handy to watch to be sure all cables are clear (not snagging on anything) and to help lift the monitor. Remember that 25" monitors are heavy (heavier than they look) and you don't want to drop it or break the neck of it. If you should decide to lay the monitor "face down", put a blanket or pillow down first. The tube will scratch itself under it's own weight and that is a permanent condition.

Some people remove the monitor to do cabinet work or to install a new or better monitor.

When I discharge a monitor I use a high voltage probe to do it. This is the best and safest way. You bleed the charge off quickly in about 15 seconds and with a proper load. You can see the voltage on the meter as it's discharging and without that dangerous SNAP of doing it with a screwdriver. [Emphasis added]

Sure you can discharge the tube with a screwdriver and a piece of wire. However, that can damage things. That sudden snap discharge can arc/burn the prong contacts inside the rubber suction cup thus making a poor connection later. Inside the flyback transformer is a high voltage diode that can be damaged by this sudden short circuit to ground.

I generally do not discharge a monitor just to move/remove it from a cabinet unless it's one of those oddball "two-piece" jobs where the tube is mounted to a piece of wood and the circuit boards are screwed to the side of the game cabinet.

I've been in this business since 1976 and have literally repaired over 1,000 monitors over the years.
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In Electronics class Mistah Hays used to discharge Mac Classic monitors with an insulated screwdriver and a wire with alligator clips on it. It made a tremendous POP and a big flashing arc of electricity inside the monitor that you could see. I've never done this myself and I can believe Layton when he says it's not a good idea. Of course Mr. Hays may have had an animus against Macs anyway. His lab was all Windows. Layton's method should be cheap enough these days.
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Re: The new CRT discharge & handling discussion

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Snappy screwdriver trick for me, I cant see any way this could damage the tube, despite being impressive sometimes. Never understood the high voltage probe method, why would you want to know what the voltage difference is, all you need to know is when it is zero, and the screwdriver and wire trick ensures it is zero.
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I don't. I leave the charge there. I'm just careful when I put it back together.
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I don't deal in vector monitors, so just poking a screwdriver about does me fine.
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Re: The new CRT discharge & handling discussion

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Ed Oscuro wrote: Anyway, Prof. Layton's post:
Ken Layton wrote: Sure you can discharge the tube with a screwdriver and a piece of wire. However, that can damage things. That sudden snap discharge can arc/burn the prong contacts inside the rubber suction cup thus making a poor connection later. Inside the flyback transformer is a high voltage diode that can be damaged by this sudden short circuit to ground.
You can discharge a picture tube with a piece of wire -- and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that! The high voltage diode mentioned above will not be harmed unless you try to discharge the tube while it's switched on.

A crocodile clip is handly because it can be left clipped between the ground strap and the anode button to stop any recovery voltage.
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