Wii 2: 2010 : 1080p movies and games

[neorichieb1971]

Backwards compatibility surely a consideration?

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3617

[linko9]

Well, when I heard this rumor, I was inclined to believe it for a few reasons. First, Nintendo has stated (or at least strongly hinted) for quite a while that they're actually pretty much done designing their next console, and can roll it out whenever they need to. Wii sales are down bigtime, so I'd say they need to pretty soon. Secondly, we haven't heard anything about then new Zelda, Metroid: Other M, or Dragon Quest X for quite a while. While this isn't completely out of the ordinary, it leads me to suspect that they are all planned for Nintendo's next console. However, there are some claims in that article that seem suspicious. I think it's strange that Nintendo would use blu-ray, which they would have to license from Sony, if I'm not mistaken. If 360 games fit on DVDs, so can Wii HD games. Also, piracy on the Wii has nothing to do with the fact that it uses DVDs; the problem is the SD card slot and USB ports, and Nintendo's well aware of this fact (I suspect these will not be present in the next Wii, unfortunately). Also, the whole trade-in idea doesn't sound like something that Nintendo would do.

Whatever the case, I'm sure we'll see a new Nintendo console by early 2011 at the latest.

[Ex-Cyber]

I'd expect the next console to be more of a "Wii Plus", vaguely akin to DSi. More internal flash, tighter security, maybe an HDMI output, perhaps DVD playback, but no radical changes to the basic configuration.

[neist]

I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the things in the rumor are true.

Most rumors involving Nintendo's hardware end up happening, in some form or another.

[neorichieb1971]

I think also, that most of that will come true.

Blu ray is the only feasible disc to use, Nintendo have lost a lot of their old customer base because they fail to keep up technologically. I for one, did not buy a wii. The problem beforehand was that Blu ray put about $100 on the price, nowadays an internal BD-rom drive costs about $50.

[antron]

it take quite a bit of processing power to decode a blu-ray. the Wii would triple in size.

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

I doubt they'll release a new console so soon. Churning out consoles quickly creates a bad rep for the console maker. Maybe Christmas 2011.

[Daigohji]

This sounds like nonsense for a couple of reasons. First, Blu-ray is a Sony developed technology and one of their central marketing tools for the PS3. I doubt they'd license it to a direct competitor. But mostly:

Allegedly, there will be the option to trade in old Wii's for "Wii 2" consoles.

Could you trade in a DS for a DS Lite? Think you'll be able to trade in a DSi for a DSi LL? This reeks of someone spewing the kind of bullshit that they want to be true.

[neist]

I doubt they'll release a new console so soon. Churning out consoles quickly creates a bad rep for the console maker. Maybe Christmas 2011.

Maybe not in the US, but sales in Japan have dropped significantly compared to last year.

Bad sales is all that's really required for Nintendo to release a new console. They probably already have another console ready. That's just the way Nintendo is.

[Taylor]

Nintendo don't create consoles they have to sell at a loss.

[Udderdude]

Obvious rumor mill is obvious.

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

I doubt they'll release a new console so soon. Churning out consoles quickly creates a bad rep for the console maker. Maybe Christmas 2011.

Maybe not in the US, but sales in Japan have dropped significantly compared to last year.

Bad sales is all that's really required for Nintendo to release a new console. They probably already have another console ready. That's just the way Nintendo is.

Nintendo are a victim of their own success. Sales are down for them, but they're still doing better than the competition together without dropping the price as much. Their installed base is also huge and neither Microsoft or Sony will catch up to them at the pace they're going. Nintendo is doing "bad" compared to themselves, and even then, they're making money hand over fist. The complete opposite of the competition.

[neorichieb1971]

The expectations of the consumer for a HD console now are so much they have cornered MS and Sony into a non profit outfit, at least as far as hardware is concerned. Nintendo decided to stick with older tech because it meant they could profit from everything.

The problem for Nintendo now is that Sony have borrowed the idea of the motion controller and is soon to release it next year. If Sony does well, it would create a problem for Nintendo. Since the Sony version works with depth as well as height and width, it should be better than Wii by a mile. Not to mention everything Sony will throw at it will be HD and most likely be incorperated into massive AAA games, not just wii sport mini games.

Then you have piracy. All the people I know that have a Wii (bar one family) copy everything from the internet. Nintendo need to address that straight away.

As for blu ray, Nintendo will have to borrow a disc technology from someone since they don't have one themselves. If not Sony, then who? DVD is not protected enough anymore. Nintendo would rather borrow a disc technology that is easy to use, than have an online download facility that kids can't figure out themselves.

Besides, Sony stole motion controlling, Nintendo will steal the idea of blu ray.

The best part for me (as an Anti Microsoft person) is that both PS3 and Wii 2 will help kill the Xbox, since Xbox will have neither motion controlling or blu ray. Maybe Nintendo and Sony are forming an unlikely alliance.

[dcharlie]

Sony's implementation is not going to enjoy the success of the wii for the simple reason that it requires someone to go out and buy the controller - where as the Wii has had it from the go as a part of the package.

I expect Sony Waggle and Natal to be failures.

[E. Randy Dupre]

I think also, that most of that will come true.

Blu ray is the only feasible disc to use, Nintendo have lost a lot of their old customer base because they fail to keep up technologically. I for one, did not buy a wii. The problem beforehand was that Blu ray put about $100 on the price, nowadays an internal BD-rom drive costs about $50.

That's simply not true, though. Nintendo didn't alienate their old customer base by failing to keep up technologically with their competitors, because Nintendo's old customer base were totally used to their hardware being at least one step removed from the competition - look at the various iterations of the Gameboy, look at the DS, even the N64. Nintendo lost most of its old customer base by not bothering to produce appealing software. The hardware issue wasn't much of an issue at all (the controllerr notwithstanding).

Also, you'd be happy to see Microsoft leave the console business? How does that work, exactly? Less choice is *never* better for the consumer.

[neorichieb1971]

Microsoft = Lack of choice for me.

Whilst Nintendo give you Mario, Zelda and tons of off spring games and the wii line up,

Sony has quite a few franchises such as Ico teams offerings and GOW which have no equals. Not to mention at least trying to get their shooter flagship uncharted 2 to do something remotely different from the host of shooters out there. With exceptional graphics to boot.


Microsoft on the other hand offer most of their variety in the form of the cheap downloadable software. If you look at the upper range software, its often online based shooting, racing and sports. I have yet to see Microsoft do anything different from anyone else, its just more of the same. Ask anyone what they want to see on 360.. Its halo 4, Gears 3, Forza 101.. SNOOZE that shite right now.

Its speculative because for me Microsoft offers the least desirable games because I don't like shooters or sports. Racing I can appreciate but it has to be surreal racing, forza and those simulators are about the most boring aspect of gaming to me. I don't like GT either anymore. Same cars, same tracks.. so what if it has cockpit view or whatever, its BORING! Sega/Namco racing is much more my cuppa.

I'm going over old ground here. But, I would buy a Wii 2. Nintendo are unlikely to re-release all those wii games that I have no interest in. I think out of the wii line up I would play Metroid and the Mario games. To date, thats all I would buy if I owned the machine.


My current PS3 games are as follows -

Dead Space 9/10
Motorstorm 8/10
Everybodys Golf: World tour 8/10
Street Fighter IV 6/10
Burnout Paradise 9/10
Infamous 9/10
Uncharted Drakes Fortune 9/10
Uncharted 2 10/10
RE5. 6/10

[Ex-Cyber]

Less choice is *never* better for the consumer.

An abundance of choices isn't good per se; it's only good to the extent that it allows people to meaningfully fulfill their preferences. An abundance of equally crappy or mediocre options merely creates a larger burden on the consumer to make the "right" choice, and promotes the perception that any given consumer is responsible for his own dissatisfaction even if he had no way of making a satisfactory choice.

[dcharlie]

Wow Neo, another "Microsoft are shit , omg Sony so awesome" post ? surely not?!

Can we contain this all in one thread so we can at least pick over what points you are missing/contradicting yourself on/etc in one location?

[neorichieb1971]

If you like shooters, racers, sports and a Western lack of anything else, i'm sure Microsoft is absolutely fantastic.

I didn't say MS was anything, its purely my opinion that they offer nothing for me.

I admit I sit on my own on this one, even the nearest and dearest think i'm insane. I'm just not a sociable online gamer, if I were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.


The proclaimed specifiations of Wii 2 would put it firmly in competition with Sony's PS3 for my money, I applaud that.

[E. Randy Dupre]

If you like shooters, racers, sports and a Western lack of anything else, i'm sure Microsoft is absolutely fantastic.

Stealth titles, RTS, shmups, fighters, JRPGs, RPGs, puzzle games, gardening sims (!), beat 'em ups, TBS...

Honestly, each time this comes up it's apparent that you're only seeing what you want to see and ignoring everything that doesn't fit into that pre-defined opinion. There's a vast amount of variety on the 360, but you're determined to try and make out that it only caters for fans of three genres? Please.

[neorichieb1971]

Chevrolet might have great cars, but I'd never own one.

If Sony don't send me a code for GOW3 I'm going to check out all the Xbox 360 games. Stupid Sony and their retarded random codes scheme. What is the point of them sending random codes to people who don't like the game?

[dcharlie]

If Sony don't send me a code for GOW3 I'm going to check out all the Xbox 360 games. Stupid Sony and their retarded random codes scheme. What is the point of them sending random codes to people who don't like the game?

it's a pretty decent demo too

still a lot to improve on but given this is the E3 build i expect things have improved.

re: Shooters (i expect you mean FPS in here too?) , racers, sports, western ... here is your PS3 list

Dead Space 9/10 - shooter, western, also on X360
Motorstorm 8/10 - racer , western
Everybodys Golf: World tour 8/10 - sports, eastern
Street Fighter IV 6/10 - fighting game, also on X360
Burnout Paradise 9/10 - racer, western, also on X360
Infamous 9/10 - sandbox/action, western
Uncharted Drakes Fortune 9/10 - 3rd person action, western
Uncharted 2 10/10 - 3rd person action, western
RE5. 6/10 - 3rd person action, eastern, also on X360

... i dunno, your list of games doesn't particular seem to back up your complaints against the x360!

[neorichieb1971]

Well since I have a PS3 for blu ray, of which I am the proud owner of 150+ titles. What is the incentive to buy more FPS titles on another console? I don't particularly like FPS, but I have a soft spot for Dead space (not FPS I know) because its sci fi which is why I rated it high.

Even though I rated those games highly in most cases, I don't like most of them as much as I liked the games past gen era. I bought them out of desperation of something to play. Some I enjoyed (DS, Infamous, Burnout), the others I couldn't care less about. Uncharted 2 is one such case of a lot of fanfare, but to me its just wave after wave of shooting. I get bored and can only do 2 chapters at a time.

I really would like those days of MGS, RE, Ridge Racer back, where I'd see the whole day disappear. Games don't have that awe factor anymore, maybe its me. But I really think i've seen it all before and am looking at everything being painted with a finer paint brush.