DUX for Dreamcast

[RHE]

Then you're part of the elite who think their opinion is more worth then of others.

[lgb]

I cant believe the amount of whiners on this site. How you demand a perfect games from such a small studio. ALL GAMES HAVE GLITCHES! Even games made by the best in the business. Even after your promised replacement discs, (which you don't even deserve) you still complain. I cant believe how critical some people can be. With your help no indie developers will consider making DC games in the future. Please show a little gratitude for one of the most inspired games to come out on the DC in a long long time.

Technically, these people have been "cheated" out of certain things the developer apparently "promised" to deliver.

No fan likes bugs in their video games, and if those bugs can be fixed, the fans shall demand it so. This is particularly "game-breaking", to the point that certain players simply avoid it just because of that; it affects a fairly important part of the shmup genre.

Also, playing only 5, 10 or 100 shmups, doesn't make a person more or less credible about shmups, it actually makes him more elite.

Yes it very much so does (especially if you're good at those particular games), and use "elite" like it should be used, please. What you've said really cancels itself out; these two examples basically mean the same thing.

[RHE]

What's worth shmup knowledge that makes you enjoy the majority of shmups less?

People call shmups bad because they are not good at them, and that makes these people sound elite. I don't see how it gives them more credibility. The more you know about a shmup, the more you close your mind, that's a fact. It happens with me too. But the difference is that I also respect shmups, that aren't up to my personal standard.

What I mean is, how is gunstarheros opinon less credibly then clps, as both use the same arguments. For me it's just about taste, what game holds my attentions etc. I find Ikarugas gameplay rather boring, and Milestone games look boring too.

[bkk]

I just became a member of this site after reading what some of the people on this forum had to say about the game. I have played Dux for several hours today and I cant wait to go back for more. This game has gone far and beyond what I thought it would be. I have never been an R-type fan or even a horizontal shooter fan but this game has won me over. I cant even begin to understand how much work has gone into making this game with such a small team. Ever since I played Ikaruga a couple of years ago, I have searched for a game that keeps bringing me back for more and nothing has really done that except for DUX. Its highly addictive because each time I play it, I get a little bit further. The art design, gameplay,overall presentation, soundtrack, and pacing are amazing. So many other games that have come out by Milestone just seem stale and lifeless to me. But this game seems to be bursting with life. I cant believe the amount of whiners on this site. How you demand a perfect games from such a small studio. ALL GAMES HAVE GLITCHES! Even games made by the best in the business. Even after your promised replacement discs, (which you don't even deserve) you still complain. I cant believe how critical some people can be. With your help no indie developers will consider making DC games in the future. Please show a little gratitude for one of the most inspired games to come out on the DC in a long long time.

Ok which of you is this?

[Dale]

Well people who've played more shmups have more knowledge to judge what they think is really good or not. Assuming if they actually gave all the games in question a solid go. It's like people who have a more open mind about food and have tried a much wider variety of types and versions of dishes, their opinion hold's more value over someone who's only eaten hamburgers. Not that those people can't speak their peace but having a more diverse pallet can only help.

Edit: I mean generally people who think one shmup company is better then all other's sure as hell can't become more elitist by giving more shmups the light of day. Elitism's most annoying trait is it's close mindedness, I can't see how playing more shmups could ever make someone more elitist.

Edit2:I mean I wouldn't trust a movie critic who's only watched Hollywood big budget stuff. This especially applies to shmups because most shmups are made with an idea of what corner of the shmup fan base they want to appeal to. Someone who hasn't played all types couldn't give me a proper comparison to say whether I'd enjoy it or not.

[lgb]

What's worth shmup knowledge that makes you enjoy the majority of shmups less?

So you can pick out the good from the bad, according to your own opinions? Yeah, "no one should have experience because then they have an opinion". If they want to be terribly "closed-minded", oh well; these are probably the only people who are going to buy your game.

People call shmups bad because they are not good at them, and that makes these people sound elite. I don't see how it gives them more credibility. The more you know about a shmup, the more you close your mind, that's a fact. It happens with me too. But the difference is that I also respect shmups, that aren't up to my personal standard.

That's what happens, but they all don't. I'm specifically talking about Plasmo. But that doesn't exactly have much to do with this, this is too obvious to worry about whether you play it or not. You're going against things that have been around almost since the genre took off.

What I mean is, how is gunstarheros opinon less credibly then clps, as both use the same arguments. For me it's just about taste, what game holds my attentions etc. I find Ikarugas gameplay rather boring, and Milestone games look boring too.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

[Sier]

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[RHE]

What's worth shmup knowledge that makes you enjoy the majority of shmups less?

So you can pick out the good from the bad, according to your own opinions? Yeah, "no one should have experience because then they have an opinion". If they want to be terribly "closed-minded", oh well; these are probably the only people who are going to buy your game.

And the issue here is, that people who are 'elite' do judge a game by its flaws instead of its qualites. I prefer to judge a game for their qualites first and then having a critical opinion about them. Which goes for most poeple who purchase my games, as I know from experience.

And I think that everybody at this place, including me, agrees that bugs like the DUX scoring bugs is something that shouldn't happen. But it only breaks the scoring system, the main game itself stays intact. And given its nature to be a bug, its almost self speaking that it's going to be debugged.

Edit: I mean generally people who think one shmup company is better then all other's sure as hell can't become more elitist by giving more shmups the light of day. Elitism's most annoying trait is it's close mindedness, I can't see how playing more shmups could ever make someone more elitist.

And of course playing a lot of shmups as a hobby, doesn't make you more elite in a negative way, and playing more shmups is a good thing. It's rather that knowing a lot of shmups, but playing only a few of them make some more elite. Elitism from this point of view is not instantly something bad, as everybody has the choice to only play that games you want to play, but the way some poeple here articulate their point of view sounds like, there's only on true type of shmups, and anything else are wrecked cars. But then in fact even most shmups these days feature gameplay from 1995.

Of course I can just ignore this kind of opinion but unfortunaly shmups won't survive alone by people being elite or hardcore about this genre, and that is my main point. However, some people may see this statement as a call to support crap, which isn't my point at all.

[mjclark]

"They know not Ikaruga, who only Ikaruga know"

[Dale]

"They know not Ikaruga, who only Ikaruga know"

Yes, I don't know what this means but whatever it means I agree with it even if I have to change my opinion

I see what your saying RHE. Their are quite a lot of people like that. But I'd like to think that the fanboys here at least play the games they talk up and hate on enough to properly judge. I don't think I've said anything negative about a shmup before playing it for at least a half an hour. Besides Eight Forces, which I respect Macaw for liking so much. I guess I do say positive things about shmups before playing them(Which I just did) which I suppose is wrong but their are too many people being negative on things online, so I don't care.

[bucklemyshoe]

so what is the general consensuses about this game? is it worth buying.

the screen shots look rather unappealing because of the overall design but you can't get a real opinion based of screen shots alone.

anyone have some really good video footage.

please share general opinions, I don't feel like reading a 50 page back log of arguing.

[Hydeux]

I've written it already : the game's quite good !
- Music is just perfect ! (level 4 !!!!!!!)
- Graphic style is great ! (really, level 5 is beautiful, kind of Xexex 2009 ! but level 6 is maybe too... cheap !)
- If you like R-Type gameplay style (memorizing and getting mad !), this one's for you (but you'll get to the end quite fast)

some defauts of course : hard to see background from... well, don't know how to put it.. "first ground" ???, score system is broken in the 50 first seconds (can't forgive such a bug !), no replay value IMO 'cause there's only one way to pass the stages, once you know it, you 1cc the game everytime (maybe with the score bug fixed...).
I think the game's worth its money !

[lgb]

And the issue here is, that people who are 'elite' do judge a game by its flaws instead of its qualites. I prefer to judge a game for their qualites first and then having a critical opinion about them. Which goes for most poeple who purchase my games, as I know from experience.

It looks like just about everyone actually wants your game. They just want the "bugs fixed" before they do, particularly what you had apparently told them you would deliver to start with.

And I think that everybody at this place, including me, agrees that bugs like the DUX scoring bugs is something that shouldn't happen. But it only breaks the scoring system, the main game itself stays intact. And given its nature to be a bug, its almost self speaking that it's going to be debugged.

The scoring system IS part of the main game. Has been for almost the entire genre.

but the way some poeple here articulate their point of view sounds like, there's only on true type of shmups, and anything else are wrecked cars. But then in fact even most shmups these days feature gameplay from 1995.

Yes, and this isn't exactly a great thing to deal with. Unfortunately, you may have to deal with it, because this is *the group* of people that will buy your game and give 5 minutes of your time to appreciate it. They're actually being GENEROUS here, just fix a couple of bugs and bam problem solved.

Of course I can just ignore this kind of opinion but unfortunaly shmups won't survive alone by people being elite or hardcore about this genre, and that is my main point. However, some people may see this statement as a call to support crap, which isn't my point at all.

I understand exactly what you're talking about, but you're at a crossroads here. These can be actual gameplay "problems", not just simply traits. It doesn't sound they were criticizing your game on the game itself, but the things that truly ruin that game; a broken experience.

[JUTMAN22]

With DUX being the 'hot' current topic ...... I decided last night to go back to the old skool ......... got the good old Core Grafx out and busted R-TYPE literally for hours (and a bit of PC Genji2!!). The point is this game is still (after 21 yrs) the benchmark for horizontal memorize shooters and still plays every bit fantastic! It should be acknowledged as a cult great which to a degree helped define a genre. IMO any game that takes these mechanics and uses them in there own game (Last Hope , Dux) is great, this genre for years has had an indie appeal (especially in the west with all the big developers overlooking the genre with no interest whatsoever) So short of the obvious jap import stuff dont you guys think its great that other people still share a passion and interest. Again the differance between indie and mainstream is indie developers do it of the love and passion and make games they want to make instead of shitty pop-cultured babble. Obviously there is no sign of this yet, but I would be deeply saddened if indie developers like NG & Hucast disappeared. It is great for the cult gamer who doesn't want to play a plastic guitar or jump up and down on a balance board(!!?!?). In short Indie developers FTW!!!! thank you for helping cult consoles and genres carry on to exist!!!

[JJ9000]

i have just got this thru the post , i played it for 30 mins and i love it but man is it hard

[Kollision]

(.............told you it was off the subject lol!!!)

You wrote a considerable paragraph on Dux on a Dux thread.
How can that be off-topic?

[JUTMAN22]

(.............told you it was off the subject lol!!!)

You wrote a considerable paragraph on Dux on a Dux thread.
How can that be off-topic?

your right lol ........... edit complete

[mjclark]

Well I just switched from playing Dux on a 15-inch screen to playing it on a 24-inch screen and it really is a very visually attractive experience.
This had made me all the more keen to ask if that update disc is still on its way

[ROBOTRON]

DUX is pure win, RHE. You have scored.

[RHE]

DUX is pure win, RHE. You have scored.

This had made me all the more keen to ask if that update disc is still on its way

It's on its long way. Currently its just TBA, but I keep you up to date on this.

[henry dark]

If you're in Japan, Messe Sanoh have copies (they do COD and are generally an awesome source of import 360 games too)

http://www.messe.gr.jp/chaos/kaigai_new/index.htm

Looks like they have Last Hope too

[Elixir]

If you're in Japan, Messe Sanoh have copies (they do COD and are generally an awesome source of import 360 games too)

http://www.messe.gr.jp/chaos/kaigai_new/index.htm

Looks like they have Last Hope too

I always wondered where Japanese people bought their foreign titles from. I see a decent amount of US PSP games for sale there (recent ones, too).

[riffbear]

Can anyone tell me if the black Case is the LE edition?
Got mine from play asia but no stickers etc...

[JUTMAN22]

Can anyone tell me if the black Case is the LE edition?
Got mine from play asia but no stickers etc...

yep it is.

RHE - is Pink Bullets still looking like early August???

[RHE]

RHE - is Pink Bullets still looking like early August???

Rather mid August. And there's going to be up-to-date trailer of the game very soon, as we made more significant changes since the previous trailer.

[LoneCynic]

I got my Copy of Dux in the mail last week from Play-Asia. It is a very good game, It was a real thrill to hold a new DC SHMUP in my hands after such a long time of not playing the console. Looking forward to the Update disc, and your future projects.

[tsuruki]

I already tried it.

To be honest,you should save your money for something more interesting or breathtaking rather than wasting your money on poor-developed shmups.

Insufficient developing instrument is not a reasonable excuse for selling such horrible game.

[lilmanjs]

I already tried it.

To be honest,you should save your money for something more interesting or breathtaking rather than wasting your money on poor-developed shmups.

Insufficient developing instrument is not a reasonable excuse for selling such horrible game.

lay off on the hate. at least he's fixing what's wrong with the game.

[ubersaurus]

I'm interested in picking up the game, but if there's an updated version coming I may well wait for that

[henry dark]

I already tried it.

To be honest,you should save your money for something more interesting or breathtaking rather than wasting your money on poor-developed shmups.

Insufficient developing instrument is not a reasonable excuse for selling such horrible game.

lay off on the hate. at least he's fixing what's wrong with the game.

What I find most interesting about this is that this guy kept up the "its coming soon" pretence and took peoples money with a smile on his face even when he knew the game was going to be delayed and delayed and delayed. Any other business operating with such a shitty customer service would have been shut down but I guess this guy found his niche.