Treasure interview, new shmup

Rai82 · Post by **Rai82** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:51 am

No, no, no! Isn't the Xbox 360 picking up in sales due to the recent JRPGs? And for Treasure to put on hold their shooter when the other shmup developers (Moss, Konami, 5pb, Cave) are putting ports of their games on 360 feels like it makes no sense.

First Treasure used the porting of Ikaruga as an excuse to delay the game, now it's due to Sin & Punishment 2. Isn't the 360 shooter getting any love?

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:15 am

"PUT THE GAME OUT IN ARCADES FOR FUCK'S SAKE"

I guess they are smarter than that. Cave is the last dinosaur sticking to its "let's keep it ghetto" attitude

"And does Maegawa really think that S&P2 is going to sell to the vast majority of the Wii demographic?"

ALL their games developed for the Nintendo platforms sold well. Even their overprized rom (S&P1) on VC raked in a lot of money. Why should this be any different?

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:19 pm

Frederik wrote:
MR_Soren wrote:Can't blame them. They are a business and have to produce games that will actually sell.
Yeah, if you´re a fan of a genre that is selling so badly, prepare for a lot of frustration. And why not make a pure RSG port? Even that would sell like hotcakes, given how much reputation this game has even outside of the shmup community. The way I see it making a RSG port would be a very easy way of making a quick buck (although, of course, I have no idea how much more complicated it is to port a game from the Saturn to another console compared to the Dreamcast).

I was thinking more about consoles than genres. I'm sure the return on investment was much better selling Sin & Punishment on the Virtual Console than porting Ikaruga to XBLA. That must have caused them to reconsider their plans for Silvergun. I wouldn't be surprised if RSG instead appeared on the Wii at some point.

gray117 · Post by **gray117** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:36 pm

treasure in the same place it was? Probably not... But still treasure represent a marked, diligent and (perhaps most amazingly) consistent niche of the development community.

Motivations change and vary ... personal preferences not withstanding the point is it will be a good game. I think most people are smiling.

I would not expect to see rsg 1 ports... I just don't think its in their nature for that title ...

economics may play a secondry role in that but I have no idea ... I just don't expect it to be done - but I was suprised when ikaruga made it onto on xbla and gc so you never know...

... but maybe nostalgia will tug at the strings enough to make it happen ... what with all the legit soft/hardware getting old...

Anyway, personally, have to say I'd be 5 times more interested in a rsg project ... but sin and punishment is not bad news ...

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:26 pm

They announced they where developing it and now its gone all silient, whats going on with this new SHMUP?

Anyone got any news on this?

I heard they had to stall development for Ikaruga and Sin Punishment 2.

jp · Post by jp » Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:54 pm

The game got cancelled because Iuchi got burned out and left Treasure (though he's still helping with Sin and Punishment 2). Frogacuda asked a Treasure employee at E3 and thats what they said.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:55 pm

There goes our last hope for a new Treasure shmup, eh? :|

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:50 pm

thank god - i don't wanna buy a 360

best of luck to mr iuchi and his future endeavors if what was said is true

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:54 pm

5pb meltdown
rhe meltdown
and now iuchi leaving treasure

awaiting "shmups are dead, see you next genre" posts

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:56 pm

all i need now is cave to go bust (or carry on with shite like DS2)

Plasmo · Post by **Plasmo** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:57 pm

Don't forget the CAVE meltdown with Death Smiles 2, G.Rev meltdown with Mamoru-kun AND Raizing meltdown with Yagawa leaving CAVE.

Shmups are dead.

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:58 pm

thank god I got into the genre about 20 years after it started, so there's plenty of backlog to go through

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:06 pm

Plasmo wrote:Don't forget the CAVE meltdown with Death Smiles 2, G.Rev meltdown with Mamoru-kun AND Raizing meltdown with Yagawa leaving CAVE.

Shmups are dead.

Mamoru-kun financially bombed? Yagawa actually left?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:24 pm

Plasmo wrote:Yagawa leaving CAVE.

You have access to their internal personnel data?

Mamoru-kun financially bombed?

Probably not -- it was made on a $1000 budget.

RHE · Post by **RHE** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:33 pm

You have access to their financial data?

Seriously though, do you roughly know how much budget do they have for that game or for their games in general?

BryanM · Post by **BryanM** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:09 am

$200-$350k?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:16 am

RHE wrote:You have access to their financial data?

No, but I have eyes and sarcasm on my side.

Back on topic: The latest public interview with Treasure was in Gameside last month, and is in translated form at gamengai. It's specifically about shooting games, and they mentioning nothing in future tense other than Sin & Punishment 2.

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:15 am

Guess its dead then

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:25 pm

MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:Guess its dead then

...as a crack whore in a dark alley.

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:00 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:Guess its dead then
...as a crack whore in a dark alley.

Yep, and i cant play any of the New SHMUP'S on 360 because i have a PAL console and cant justify buying a Jap one.

Sucks for us EU's

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:27 pm

MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:
MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:Guess its dead then
...as a crack whore in a dark alley.
Yep, and i cant play any of the New SHMUP'S on 360 because i have a PAL console and cant justify buying a Jap one.

Sucks for us EU's

Over half of your posts consist of complaining about region locking. Get over it.

Zero Gunner · Post by **Zero Gunner** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:15 pm

Elixir wrote:
MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote: ...as a crack whore in a dark alley.
Yep, and i cant play any of the New SHMUP'S on 360 because i have a PAL console and cant justify buying a Jap one.

Sucks for us EU's
Over half of your posts consist of complaining about region locking. Get over it.

Agreed. Isn't it interesting how people on this forum will drop hundreds, even thousands, for a single PCB and $600 for a Blu-Ray player masquerading as a game console but it's the absolute end of the world to purchase an import 360? Just goes to show who the real gamers are and who comprise the legion of idiot fanbots. I mean seriously people....are you actually going to post on a shmup only forum insisting that there's no reason to buy a 360 when its library consists of Raiden Fighter Aces, Raiden 4, Shikigami 3, Senko no Ronde, Mamoru-kun, Death Smiles, DDP, Otomedius, Ketsui, Shooting Love 200X, Mushihime Futari, and more to come? Or that region locks are really going to deter you from enjoying shmups? Funny how nobody bitches about regional locks on PS2 games, or old Saturn titles, or any other console for that matter....

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:21 am

MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:cant justify buying a Jap one.

I can do it for you: Death Smiles.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:27 am

Zero Gunner wrote:Funny how nobody bitches about regional locks on PS2 games, or old Saturn titles, or any other console for that matter....

To be fair, getting around the region locks on those consoles, and most others, is easier than on the 360. That said, I own both a J360 and a US one (but no PS3 or Wii, at least not yet).

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:09 am

Buying a domestic 360 has already paid off by getting RFA at $55 cheaper and soon Raiden 4 at $35 cheaper (according to Play-Asia) and Senko at $10 (still a rip-off).

Too bad about Treasure. Maybe they could've improved a bit. We'll never know.

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:12 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:cant justify buying a Jap one.
I can do it for you: Death Smiles.

If any1 has any good deals for me, i would be welcome to take a look. Im starting to get the itch to get a Jap360, me being in the UK with Pal360 isnt cutting it for me.

coolix · Post by **coolix** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:11 pm

MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:... get the itch to get a Jap360, me being in the UK with Pal360 isnt cutting it for me.

This might have been said before, but a ASIA 360 is better for us European since we don't need to buy/take-from-a-pal-360 power system unit.

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:43 pm

well on playasia a Jap360 with Raiden IV came up to £279 inc post, this put me off so i canceled the order after i had 2nd thoughts.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:35 pm

Rob wrote: Too bad about Treasure. Maybe they could've improved a bit. We'll never know.

Rai82 · Post by **Rai82** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:13 am

Besides Ikaruga XBLA, did Treasure develop anything else for the 360? No? I still don't get why they would rather cancel the 360 shooter when the other shooter developers are working on a port of their arcade games. The other posts here made are right: Treasure should make an arcade version first, then a 360 port. Then they don't have to worry about not making enough money for it.

It seems Wii, and the Nintendo handheld seems to be the home for Treasure's money making for now. Besides working on those shooters, they made those Bleach games published by Sega.