serious or sarcastic?RHE wrote: This game is so bad. It's so broken. It's a epic fail, a flop. I'm so bad. I'm the worst designer ever. All I do is crap. I'm so hating on my customers, betraying them and make my self look as I have knowlege about shmups. But I don't know nothing of shumps, I don't even can spell it right. Everybody must hate me.
RegalSin wrote:Videogames took my life away like the Natives during colonial times.
Which is the problem. With games of this kind, you should always get knowledgeable, skilled players in to do thorough playtesting, as these kinds of players are likely to look for bugs, exploits and tricks (that may or may not break a game). Getting the random casual player off the street to play ten minutes of the game is not classed as "thorough testing".RHE wrote:Non score players I quess.
In fact plenty people approved the game, even at conventions etc. but none of them are dedicaed score players.
In every checkbased-game since whenever, a key exploit of the scoring system is in intentionally dying at a checkpoint with a large amount of possible points available, and repeating ad infinitum. See the R-Type stage7 checkpoint and Image Fight 1-7 checkpoint as two examples.RHE wrote:Note, the scoring system itself works, it's just that nobody thought about to ignore checkpoints and go back to chain etc. which is very unusal becasue in every checkpoint based game, you can't ignore them.
Well enough is enough.RHE wrote: Wow.
This game is so bad. It's so broken. It's a epic fail, a flop. I'm so bad. I'm the worst designer ever. All I do is crap. I'm so hating on my customers, betraying them and make my self look as I have knowlege about shmups. But I don't know nothing of shumps, I don't even can spell it right. Everybody must hate me.
Yeah sure, just a line in your program obviously... Good to know YOU can play for scoring tonight...RHE wrote:Not a drama at all.
)fixedRHE wrote:I do respect the word of my customers at any time as long as they give me more money.
| My games - http://www.emphatic.seRegalSin wrote:Street Fighters. We need to aviod them when we activate time accellerator.
Right.Which is the problem. With games of this kind, you should always get knowledgeable, skilled players in to do thorough playtesting, as these kinds of players are likely to look for bugs, exploits and tricks (that may or may not break a game). Getting the random casual player off the street to play ten minutes of the game is not classed as "thorough testing".
The thing is, I know something about pure survival gameplay, and I know something about scoring with instant respawn games. As you're pointing out, I didn't knew about checkpoint exploiting. Know I know.If you "both know" enough and "care about scoring", as you say, you'd have known that something like this can and will happen. While it is a relatively minor mistake to make, then going and stating that it's not really that much of a problem is both ignorant and a slap in the face to people who support this genre and the work of devs within.
I consider this.Perhaps you should both utilise feedback in the planning and development stages, and release your work for free first, to refine your technique, before you do the paid premium package route? Because at the moment, you're not likely to get any more custom with the output and feedback you're giving at present.
from the people who have played it, it sounds like an otherwise good game, so when you have this issue dealt with, you'll have a decent productRHE wrote:Both?
Thanks for wishing me luck.
RegalSin wrote:Videogames took my life away like the Natives during colonial times.
It doesn't hurt to ask if you're not sure, of course. And one thing I will note is that checkpoint milking is easily defeated by not awarding extends to the player at all, forcing the player to retain all their lives to finish the game. As long as the game is challenging, of course.RHE wrote:The thing is, I know something about pure survival gameplay, and I know something about scoring with instant respawn games. As you're pointing out, I didn't knew about checkpoint exploiting. Know I know.
The only way to prevent people from checkpoint milking is rewarding them with a bonus for each life in stock after the last boss. This way you basically have to no miss the game to get the best score. R-Type Leo is a good exampleIcarus wrote:And one thing I will note is that checkpoint milking is easily defeated by not awarding extends to the player at all, forcing the player to retain all their lives to finish the game.
That's all it takes to break it.RHE wrote:I finally know the problem of this scoring bug. It's not really a bug, its just that 1(!) enemy at stage 1(!) has a(!) shot, that gives too much score.
The life bonus also has to be greater than the value you get from checkpoint milking.Plasmo wrote:The only way to prevent people from checkpoint milking is rewarding them with a bonus for each life in stock after the last boss. This way you basically have to no miss the game to get the best score. R-Type Leo is a good example
After a year of development, he doesn't know about scoring in the genre he's chosen to spend his time developing.The thing is, I know something about pure survival gameplay, and I know something about scoring with instant respawn games. As you're pointing out, I didn't knew about checkpoint exploiting. Know I know.
It's not really all that aggressive if you put something out and then when you receive negative feedback, actually try to argue that the problems and issues people have aren't important.RHE wrote:The feedback is not 100% negative. It's just that a few people crying out load, about a small bug, and these people don't even play the game. People who play the game like it, and currently 1 person of them is diasappointed about the scoring bug.
And I'm not that stupid, of course i know you can use a checkpoint over and over again, to milk the score. But normally players don't do this, and normally they should get too much reward. And that's not even the main problem.
And know tell me, asking someone if he has a hole is his head is not agressive and not mean.
Well, alright, you can take issue with people saying "bug" instead of "design issue" but then again people describe slow framerates in FPSes as "lag" because they use it as a catch-all word.RHE wrote: Currently it's not clarified if its a technical bug or a design issue. In both case I don't see how it makes someone look like drunken.
My favorite shmup games don't and wouldn't have "small bugs" that let me counterstop on the first stage. That wouldn't be a small bug... it would be so game breaking and ridiculous that I wouldn't play anymore.RHE wrote:I don't get why people tell me, I'm denying it. I don't deny it at all. I said from beginning, that this score bug, or whatever it is, buffers me. And I also say, I'm offer an solution. For me it's not a huge problem, and for players that play for survival only, it's not a huge problem too. I think its self-speaking, that it is a terrible thing to have in a game, but it doesn't break it as a whole.
I mean we're talking about a smal issue here. Just take your fave game and add such a small bug, now its complete crap?
| My games - http://www.emphatic.seRegalSin wrote:Street Fighters. We need to aviod them when we activate time accellerator.
Well, first of all, a counterstop shouldn't happen. Also, the earlier, the worse, because it means that there's no reason to play the rest of the game more than once. With good scoring, people would be playing it over and over to try to get more points. I mean, unless it's the greatest most revolutionary shmup gameplay ever, there are tons of games that play basically the same for survival.RHE wrote:You mean it's not depending on taste?
