.. really?Dragoforce wrote:Yeah, played both Ibara and DOJ a year ago or so.jonny5 wrote:have you played any of them?
Last time I was at your place? Think so at leastsven666 wrote:.. really?Dragoforce wrote:Yeah, played both Ibara and DOJ a year ago or so.jonny5 wrote:
the black labels are awesome fanservice if you ask me, completely alternate versions of the games.
1.5s and endless bugfixes kinda piss me off tho...
They are still around, though I haven't heard good things about some of their more recent works. They did Steal Princess (which was just picked up by Atlus). I heard it has some similarities to Landstalker, but only allows you to hold one weapon at a time and is made up more of small areas rather than a Zelda like overworld.ZOM wrote:I'll add Climax to the mix; Landstalker was such a great ARPG, IMO it has so much more awesomeness than the Zelda games...
*hides in bunker from rabid Link fanboys*
What happened to them, do they still make games?
the thing is ibara black label is a totally different game to the original .Dragoforce wrote:Yeah, played both Ibara and DOJ a year ago or so.jonny5 wrote:
All these extra labels kind of gives me the same feeling as the LOTR movies did when they where released on DVD. First they release the original movie, and a few months after that a directors cut. The whole thing just strikes me as quite greedy, I would rather see that they would put that effort into making a whole new game.
But, yeah. "Fallen from grace" is perhaps a little too strong phrase, but the whole thinhs just bugs me a little bit.
Yes, just saw that the company's homepage is still around: www.climax.co.jpBrianC wrote:They are still around, though I haven't heard good things about some of their more recent works. They did Steal Princess (which was just picked up by Atlus). I heard it has some similarities to Landstalker, but only allows you to hold one weapon at a time and is made up more of small areas rather than a Zelda like overworld.ZOM wrote:I'll add Climax to the mix; Landstalker was such a great ARPG, IMO it has so much more awesomeness than the Zelda games...
*hides in bunker from rabid Link fanboys*
What happened to them, do they still make games?
I must be the only one who thinks that the class balance in that thing is totally out of whack...it's not enough to totally destroy the game, but it does hobble it some.Turrican wrote:FFT is a work of genius
You mean use a random party generator to put a scrap of difficulty into the game?Ganelon wrote:Yeah, FFT is widely noted for its imbalanced jobs/abilities. That just means it takes experimentation and valuation skills to determine which tools to use.
...is the only provably awesome thing to come out of what we currently know about the game.adversity1 wrote:Square is so bad lately their games are hard to even look at. The World Ends with You is an exception, and hopefully FF13 will be too...but that fucking afro character.
Yesssssss.ZOM wrote:I'll add Climax to the mix; Landstalker was such a great ARPG, IMO it has so much more awesomeness than the Zelda games...
*hides in bunker from rabid Link fanboys*
Will another company snatch the back catalog that both Japanese companies produced over the years? Sad to hear that both are no longer in business. As the ol' saying goes: Nothing is forever.Dave_K. wrote:I don't know about "Fallen from grace", but Seta and Jaleco have recently gone under.
After hearing the hype about Sqauresoft's iS: internal section game...I had to check this game out for myself. Went down to Japan Video Games shop in San Francisco back in 1999 and paid $80.00+ USD for it. Well worth the hard-earned $$$ and tripped out on the cool visual aestethics and overall graphic design. Squaresoft USA was going to release internal section for the USA but at the last minute, cancelled it. I seem to think that Squaresoft USA decided that internal section was deemed too bizarre or an experimental PSX game title that they thought that it wouldn't do well in the USA. It would've done quite well in the USA...this was before the days of Sega's UGA team release of Rez on the DC or even the PS2 version.UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:I know they're called Square-Enix now, but I call them just Square 'cause it's shorter. As for striving to own all their games, I meant that for the games that I knew at the time, which weren't all of them. I really like(d) Parasite Eve and FFT, and love(d) Musashi. My friends all thought I was nuts because I liked Musashi more than Zelda 64 back in the day but to each their own.Turrican wrote:That Square is no more. They used all the money gained with FF7/8 to do a tragic movie. It bombed and the company was BOUGHT (called "merge" to not scare western fanboys) by Enix. Square had a policy of internal developers, Enix ooutsourced a lot - the latter policy was proven more successful and therefore a lot of teams disbanded. That said, there has never been a time when one should have striven to buy all their games: it's just the nostalgia effect. Musashi and Parasite were two duds. They began to suck big time very early: Cyberorg, Racing Lagoon, Bouncer, Driving Emotion... Lots of money thrown into the bin. Also a lot of their lesser RPG franchises range from pointless to downright mediocre.UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:SquareIn the SNES and PSX era, I loved Squaresoft. I strived to own every one of their games in a time when I was a broke JH/HS student. They just couldn't stop piling up the hits. Around 1997, I saw an EGM two-page ad with an advertisement for their products and boy were those two pages full of awesome. It showed FF7, FFT, Parasite Eve, Musashi, Einhander and more but my memory fails me. I personally only managed to obtain FFT, PE and Musashi, so my balls didn't explode with the awesomeness that is Einhander. They had quality, variety, uniqueness; they had everything
That's the joke.bob wrote:What?ForceDevice wrote:Yes, there is. For example,bob wrote:After reading this thread, it seems there is no company left that makes good games anymore
The game's balance issues make it fun, IMO. I like going around mindlessly slaughtering those who dare randomly attack my invincible troops, be it beast or man.BulletMagnet wrote:I must be the only one who thinks that the class balance in that thing is totally out of whack...it's not enough to totally destroy the game, but it does hobble it some.Turrican wrote:FFT is a work of genius
In any case, I'd probably agree on Square in general, as these days I'm far more prone to go to Gust, NIS, or Atlus when I need an RPG-ish fix.
Yea agreed, i gave around 6 years to UT99 and played 2k4 for 2 years i played Ut3 for a few months and can safely say epic screwed us over. I still remember kicking ass on Unreal (unreal 1) with my old 3dfx voodoo 1 12am DM on the rockerfeller servers playing Morbias haha then i got into Unreal Tournament when it was released i managed to buy it off a mate for less than half price (not his type of game at that time lol). Its a shame but i can understand why they made the switch to console too much piracy and too much work for too little gain. Did you see how long it took for them to release a patch for UT3 to fix the connectivity issue? they just dont give a damn and like i said they cant be blamed....they have worked hard through the years and i think its time they had a better break and for them the consoles are where the money is.PainAmplifier wrote:Agree x Infinity on Epic totally screwing over their original fanbase.kengou wrote:Epic: The Unreal Tournaments,
Id may have gradually slid into gameplay mediocrity over the years, but Epic went and committed gameplay suicide without even getting emo about it first. Ut2003 did a whole slew of spit-takes, that totally screwed the franchise.
Most blatantly they went from Blade Runner type dystopian imagery...to WWE day-glo hokiness. (Voice over announcer included.) Then they took their signature weapons and watered them down in the name of 'balance' and at the same time changed the physics, looks and models to the point it was blatantly obvious that they were jealous of the 'pro' reputation Quake 3 had and wanted in on that pie.
It would be remiss not to mention the wholesale change from the UWindows interface to the consolified abominations that came afterwards. (UT3's dropping any pretenses at being anything but console trash.) And to add insult on top of that, the addition of 'adrenaline' complete with key sequenced combo's tipped Epics hand towards their future full blown consolitis disease.
Not that anyone had long to wait for that. The console spawn Unreal Championship saw that happening at warp speed. Although the stated attention of Epic to 'copy' the whole EA-Sports yearly release complete with year naming conventions was more than enough to send up big warning signs to anyone who wasn't decieved by the platitudes coming out of Epic's PR people.
And despite all the lies, despite all the evidence that the 'core' players didn't like way things were headed, what did we get? UT2004, UT3 and then Gears of War.
Modern games don't get made overnight folks, it's obvious to anyone with hindsight, that Epic went console even while they kept telling their original players otherwise. In short, they sold out and like most crappy businesses, they denied everything all the while chasing the cheapest buck.
If Gears hadn't done so well among the pre-teen & console commando crowd, Epic would be hurting. Sure the Unreal 2 engine brought them in a lot of cash, but the Unreal 3 engine doesn't have the same polish or acceptance it's predecessor had, and the Unreal 2 engine is getting old. On top of that, Epic has squandered away just about every last bit of good will the still playing PC community ever had for them.
Sure, lots of other game studios, companies and teams have crashed and burned over the years and Epic hasn't imploded quite yet, but the complete loss of any quality or integrity they once may have had is undeniably gone.
The DC was really popular stateside, however, the PS2 eventually forced it out.Sega too....they made the dreamcast in a last ditch effort to win some sales and they didnt succeed....more or less 90% of the games on the Dreamcast were good some just put modern games to shame yet the system died because no one knew about its excellence they had a crappy ad campaign and didnt push the label if at all here in europe.
Doom 1 and 2: masterpiecespower UP wrote:id software
