No Blu Ray for Xbox 360

[Skykid]

PS3 is a console that currently isn't worth buying until the price drops and the catalogue of games improves.

How's that?

You can't make claims like that. PS3 is more expensive, but it's undeniably the best hardware with no real problems or shortcomings, and who's to say what that this is exactly worth, and to WHOM.

You haven't read the post or the thread properly.
I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do, or what the console is 'worth' in monetary value.
It's a sarcy response to a silly post from a Sony aficiando who got pissed off at jpj for not 'stating the facts when bashing the PS3' - even though jpj owns and is a supporter of the PS3.

That post looks like hard work though, you could've saved yourself the trouble.

[Ed Oscuro]

jpj supports something?

[Skykid]

How's that?

Lame. With 99% of third-party games being multiplatform, PS3`s and Xbox 360`s libraries are nearly completely identical and differentiated only by first-party games and a few rare third-party exclusives. So, if the PS3`s games catalogue needs to improve, then so does the 360`s.

Yes, but the 360 is roughly 200 pounds cheaper, isn't it? You skipped that part.

[Ceph]

PS3 is a console that currently isn't worth buying until the price drops and the catalogue of games improves.

How's that?

You can't make claims like that. PS3 is more expensive, but it's undeniably the best hardware with no real problems or shortcomings, and who's to say what that this is exactly worth, and to WHOM.

A crude demographic study of the gaming population would show that there are now quite clear subpopulations such as older people with more money, young people with less money, casual/party/beginner gamers... The original gamers are getting older, have more money and have been used to the idea of pouring tons of money into gaming. Seems like PS3 is suited for that group. The launch price was indeed ridiculously high (especially in PAL regions) but now it's not such a big deal. About a third of my PS3 owning friends have bought it just as a Blu-ray movie device and don't have a real passion for games, but they do seem to buy the occasional Gran Turismo or Rockband, what ever.

Young people buy the 360 because it lets them access the bleeding edge of gaming at the cheapest price, and the great majority of them don't care about/think over the total cost: Batteries for controllers, Live-subscription for say 3-5 years, the agony of waiting for MS to replace the rrod/"Please insert Xbox 360 disc" machine just when your most eagerly awaited game finally arrived... (My cousin is a sworn xbot and is buying a second (third, if counting the one that's already broken) X360 just out of fear of this happening) No wonder it sells so well because people have to buy it over and over again =) Another reason for good sales in this population might be piracy. 360 games are the easiest to pirate, while PS3 are so far impossible. Poorer people can consider this point too when buying a console.

The game catalogue is not an issue anymore, like J. Ingram said. It's just a question of making a choice between relatively few exclusives. There's more than enough AAA titles to play on PS360. The only real exception is actually "our" genre: for shmup purists 360 is the only option. Then again, not everyone here is a shmup purist, I'd rather now be playing Dead Space than Ketsui *confession*.

The Wii is a totally different animal. When Wii-gamers grow up or get money they need to switch to a HD console. That is the law of the universe.

MS has played their cards very well, except for letting the rrod fiasco take place. When I was in Japan in August I noticed that marketing for X360 was surprisingly aggressive. The demo stands were at the best spots, right after an escalator etc. and impossible to miss, always boasting the latest exclusives even if the release was still far away in the future (Otomedius, jrpgs...) And now it seems that the hard work is paying off, the Japan sales are up. The PS3 on the other hand was less noticeable, the black stands with MGS4, Afrika etc. were in far corners and looked boring, failing to relay a promise of a bright future.

I'm a technocrat and movie enthusiast like many gamers, so the choice was easy: Welcome, Blu-ray.

Good post!
Indeed I am very pleased with the PS3 hardware. USB ports that allow you to use devices like Sega Saturn USB pads, its (standard) HDD can be replaced with a regular HDD, it's got wifi and features bluetooth pads with rechargeable batteries (take that, Wii).

Not hardware-related but nice none-the-less: Free online gaming. I just played the free Warhawk demo on PSN with 32 people, for free.
In Europe, you pay € 59.99 for 12 months of Xbox Live Gold (=80 USD). 5 years of this and that's an additional 300 EUR (=400 USD). If someone claims that 360 is cheaper than PS3, they should take this into consideration, too.

EDIT: Oh, look at that, a five-year subscription to Xbox Live Gold in the UK costs 200 pounds. What a coincidence.

Yes, but the 360 is roughly 200 pounds cheaper, isn't it? You skipped that part.

PS.
Is Skykid beginning to sound a bit dickish?

[The Coop]

CONSOLE WARS AHOOOOOOOOOY!

[Ed Oscuro]

Yeah, the Live account shit turns me off.

LOL, you even need a Gold account to get multiplayer matches on some 360 to PC ports (The Club is one). LOL.

[Strider77]

can't you guys kinda see a major truth is that *gasp* both are pretty damned good gaming platforms.

neither really have any exclusives anymore and even if you are comparing ports... alot of the 360 versions are actually better than PS3.

Armored Core 4 Answer (slowdown)
Lost Planet (slowdown, aliasing issues, framerate ect)
Bioshock (textures, framerate)
Soul Caliber 4 (slowdown)

Now I'm not saying all of them are or there is even a big enough difference to throw a fit over (except lost planet).

They both are great machines.... the PS3 is finally catching up library wise. Why is it like "if I own this one, the other must suck attitude".

But one can throw specs around all they want but I have seen nothing results wise on my screen to prove the PS3 is eons stronger than a 360. You can argue all you want what paper stats show, but that doesn't amount to shit if no one gets it going on a screen for me to play.

I will say I hope it's stronger... I will always be excited to see hardware push forward. If i get games on the PS3 that out do MGS4 then by all means bring it.

Please... the war has been fought and won... both lost and the wii won.

I'd rather now be playing Dead Space than Ketsui *confession*.

I have to point out that 360 owners could do both.... but I own both so I could still play dead space on PS3 (actually I do have that on PS3) while firing up Raiden 4.... it's nice to have choices. Especially when none of them are bad options unlike most would have you think.

Why is it PS3 owners attack any other console so vigorously... I know there are some 360 owners on this board also that have slammed a bit the other way but alot of them either own both or only argue that the 360 is a great machine also...

PS3 owners... or more of them constantly freak out over folks liking there 360. I think SOME of it is sony fanboys on this forum consoling themselves over no shooters coming to them. I'm not saying ALL of them, but i know some of them are.

Ceph you are the leader of the pack... you've NEVER owned a 360 nor had a red ring but you act like a 360 raped your wife and shot your kids. Even the mods locked some of your threads and you go out of your way to stir this shit up over and over.

I personally have had to fix or replace EVERY sony gaming console I have ever owned at least once if not 4 (PS2) times. I treat my stuff VERY well and do not drag it around thrown in a bag ect. Yet I have not had my 360 do anything but work. Still... you don't see me saying that sony systems are shit and no one should buy one and CONSTANTLY try to find anything I can to say negative.

At worst I have argued how one sided it is to turn the other head towards the HUGE numbers of shit drives in PS1 and 2 machines and then the all PSPs that had dead pixels. Sony didn't do SHIT for you like MS did with the 360... they fixed it for free and gave you 3 years of coverage. That is unheard of. But I wouldn't think twice about owning a sony machine... I am a gamer and that is the most important part.. even with some hardware issues that sucked I wanted to play those games and it was my only choice.

Is Skykid beginning to sound a bit dickish?

who are you to talk.... christ after all the shit you stir up I think alot of us should feel guiltless to flame a little harder back than that.

ooooooohh sick burn skykid for saying the 360 so far has provided about as much graphical power as a PS3 and most the same games for less for a year more.

get over yourself Ceph... go spam shmups.com some more about your 2d forum that you totally carbon copied the format from here. Or wait... why not spam your own forum with all this 360 hate... oh wait your forum gets way less traffic?

[moozooh]

why not spam your own forum with all this 360 hate... oh wait your forum gets way less traffic?

Ouch!

[Taylor]

Microsoft just released a green limited edition joypad with an improved d-pad that doesn't change its bad ergonomic design, but registers 16 directions instead. As the joypad is limited edition it isn’t going to get support and 16-directions doesn’t actually seem desirable. It’s definitely green, though.

I don't actually care, as I'd rather not have to buy another bunch of joypads anyway. But I'm posting it here before there's a 4 page thread on it.

[Strider77]

Ouch!

well he's calling out for someone to be a dick so i figured I'd step up...

I think I've been kinda neutral both ways.... I mean I defend the 360 and the PS3. It's just that there is WAY more hate from PS3 owners. Their main reason is the red ring while they totally turn the other way when it happened with ALL past sony systems to. Then there is the fact that Ceph constantly takes every opportunity and then some to start this over and over in stupid and dickish ways himself.... like that lame "so I decided to get a import PS3" thread ect.

I should just stop taking the bait... but this is more fun sometimes.

[moozooh]

No, I actually thought that was a pretty nice burn. Ceph indeed doesn't post X360 "news" on the 2D gaming forum.

[Grinning Cat]

Ceph indeed doesn't post X360 "news" on the 2D gaming forum.

Why would he? Ceph's pretty much the only one who even reads or uses it. The thread on shmups that documents the ups and downs of the forum's server problems is probably busier than the forum, itself. You’d think it would get more 'accidental' traffic, simply because it's a spot-the-difference shmups…but, no.

On topic - like Strider, I consider myself pretty much a neutral (or as neutral as anyone can realistically be). I have a PAL 360 (which I'm actually looking to sell), but almost definitely won't be buying a Japanese one - simply because I either own, or have owned, the Cave ports that have been announced so far. That said, if something else amazing was suddenly announced, I'd have no qualms considering one. I may also get a PS3 once Team ICO release something (and Wipeout HD and GTI Club are both tempting downloads), but who knows - I'm hardly in a passionate relationship with either console, at this point

[Ceph]

Ouch!

well he's calling out for someone to be a dick so i figured I'd step up...

Go step up, then! http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 394#414394

[Aru-san]

IMHO, as long as I have fun with any of the 3 consoles, I'm okay. Don't own a PS3 yet, but only because I'm money-deprived right now, and I'm trying to save up for other things (like my own computer).

Also, I sort of follow a simplistic value when it comes to multimedia: As long as I'm able to see it (in terms of movies and stuff) or hear it (in terms of music and movie sounds), I'm fine. Eye candy or not, I'll enjoy about 99% of what I watch and hear (unless it's something I don't like).

About this whole No-Blu-ray-on-360 situation (and I'm not sure if anyone else has said it or not, so forgive me for any copying), I'm predicting that Microsoft will eventually have to implement Blu-ray on their next generation console (8th gen).

Even if Blu-ray completely dominates the market, what goes of the other 40% of the industrialized populace around the world who still use SDTVs? Will they be shunned by the HD world and resort to buying a Blu-ray player (or a PS3), or will the industry spare them by still releasing DVD releases (at least until about 10% of the industrialized places in the world get HDTVs)?

Actually...has anyone ever tested a Blu-ray movie on an SDTV? If Blu-ray discs work on regular SDTVs, then even if DVDs become obsolete, this here will prove that Blu-ray is capable of being a good replacement of DVDs that'll please both the SDTV owners and the HDTV owners. (After all, not EVERYONE in this world has a movie theater-esque sound system.) Now, if they implement a mechanism that prevents Blu-ray from being played on an SDTV, that's a completely different story.

DISCLAIMER: I am only going by what I know thus far about HDTVs, Blu-ray, and other stuff. Please forgive me for any sort of distortions or inaccuracies and feel free to correct said distortions/inaccuracies if needed.

[CStarFlare]

You can watch Blu Ray on an SD TV, but what a waste of money.

The number of people without HD TVs drops every day, and as it does the demand for things like Blu Ray will go up. That said, even if Blu Ray becomes the standard of the future, they'll still produce DVDs for a while, just like they still made VHSs for a while after DVD became big.

[Ceph]

Let's take a moment to analyze this thread, which was supposed to be about 360 not getting Blu Ray.

People who participated and managed to stay mostly on topic, or at least somewhere in the vicinity:
-D
-Ex-Cyber
-Octopod
-MathU
-Turrican
-CStarFlare
-mufunyo
-worstplayer
-gundamalpha
-MR_Soren
-Lordstar
-iatneH
-Specineff
-neorichieb1971
-Acid King
-Kiken
-szycag
-Matsunaga
-Icarus
-Ed Oscuro
-Shocky

People who posted only off-topic stuff:
moozooh (2 posts praising a personal attack)

People who resorted to unprovoked personal (ad-hominem) attacks:
-Grinning Cat (3 post in this thread, all 3 contain personal attacks) - By the way, who the heck is that guy?
-Skykid (5 on topic, 2 off topic, 3 ad hominem)
-Strider77 (2 on topic, 3 off topic, 2 ad hominem)

All things considered, that's actually not such a bad ratio, I guess. Keep it up!

[Strider77]

who cares.... gears 2 is so close.

[Skykid]

Ceph, what are you doing dude?

You're analyzing the thread to see who stayed on topic - that's ridiculous. You provoked this argument by creating two console bashing threads within a short space of time.

I didn't say you 'were' a dick, I said you were starting to sound like one. There are plenty of 360 owners on the shmups forum - possibly even more than PS3 owners if sales in the market are an indication -who have stayed totally silent. You may not care about their perception of you, but it would certainly leave you in better stead if you stopped trying to justify your PS3 purchase with these inane topics.

The truth is that none of what we argue here matters. The market will provide a 'winner' if that's what the public wants.
If Ingram is right and the PS3 surpasses the 360 in terms of units sold, then that will be an indicator of success and all the fanboys can rejoice in victory.

If, this Christmas, the 360 destroys the PS3 in sales because of its price drop, then that's the way its going to be.

Success in the market means a lot to the lifespan and health of a console, which is partly why all this Blu Ray and RROD shit means absolutely nothing if Sony aren't moving their hardware.

[Strider77]

You may not but I am most deffinately saying Ceph is a dick, pap smear, cock wipe.... take your pick.

And over all spends most his time bitching or spamming on here than anything else... or stating the obvious.

Why don't you go back to the trading forum and be sure to confirm for all the sellers what they are selling aren't fake. I know I always need someone to tell me things like that and couldn't know on my own...

Don't act so fucking innocent on here ceph... you constantly use to give me shit about my avatar b/c I didn't agree with your point a view on a game. You also did crap like bitched at me b/c I said last hope sucked after I got mine in the mail... only to actually play it for yourself AFTER the fact and rag on the game yourself...

[Elixir]

Actually I thought I heard you couldn't replace the HDD on 40GB models. Unfortunately that's probably what I'm going to be stuck with given that the original line is out of print and they're near impossible to find nowadays. Ordering one from Japan would be suicide (through Yahoo Japan) and combined with the import tax, it just isn't worth it.

[neorichieb1971]

360 owners probably assumed Sony PS3 owners were knocking the 360 because Blu ray is not going to be a part of the 360 hardware anytime soon. This led to 360 owners saying they dont give a flying **** about Blu ray. Then the Sony boys state the obvious which is why Blu ray is beneficial to the PS3 and why it could be to the 360.


Thats about where this thread went.

[Kaiser]

You may not but I am most definitely saying I am a dick, pap smear, cock wipe, flaming white nigger homosexual which doesn't know what is a tetris or shit-bricking nigger electrician with a bad hair! Take your pick.

I definitely love to spend all of my time bitching, flaming, wiping, cunting or spamming on here than anything else... or stating the obvious.

PS. I love you ceph, if i met you i would definitely have sex with you in my mother's bed since i'm a flaming homosexual!

Fixed, i hope you shit some bricks because it's the truth!

[Grinning Cat]

People who posted only off-topic stuff:
moozooh (2 posts praising a personal attack)

People who resorted to unprovoked personal (ad-hominem) attacks:
-Grinning Cat (3 post in this thread, all 3 contain personal attacks) - By the way, who the heck is that guy?
-Skykid (5 on topic, 2 off topic, 3 ad hominem)
-Strider77 (2 on topic, 3 off topic, 2 ad hominem)

Is this Ceph's take on Violent Ken's greatest motherfuckers list?

[MX7]

You may not but I am most definitely saying I am a dick, pap smear, cock wipe, flaming white nigger homosexual which doesn't know what is a tetris or shit-bricking nigger electrician with a bad hair! Take your pick.

I definitely love to spend all of my time bitching, flaming, wiping, cunting or spamming on here than anything else... or stating the obvious.

PS. I love you ceph, if i met you i would definitely have sex with you in my mother's bed since i'm a flaming homosexual!

Fixed, i hope you shit some bricks because it's the truth!

That's kind of not cool.

[Kaiser]

You may not but I am most definitely saying I am a dick, pap smear, cock wipe, flaming white nigger homosexual which doesn't know what is a tetris or shit-bricking nigger electrician with a bad hair! Take your pick.

I definitely love to spend all of my time bitching, flaming, wiping, cunting or spamming on here than anything else... or stating the obvious.

PS. I love you ceph, if i met you i would definitely have sex with you in my mother's bed since i'm a flaming homosexual!

Fixed, i hope you shit some bricks because it's the truth!

That's kind of not cool.

well, strider77 is one big flaming homosexual with fanboy bits here and there, i even saw a naked pic of him *insert a naked man pic here*. Speaking of which i'm sure he forgot to pay his whores which would blow his dick if they had the money because he spent the money on brown-colored games like Too Toilet Human, Gears of Crap, Crappy Tournament 2008 and other current-gen crap that abuses brown. Anyway, avoid that guy at all costs, fanboy = not cool

[MX7]

Fixed, i hope you shit some bricks because it's the truth!

That's kind of not cool.

well, strider77 is one big flaming homosexual with fanboy bits here and there, i even saw a naked pic of him *insert a naked man pic here*. Speaking of which i'm sure he forgot to pay his whores which would blow his dick if they had the money because he spent the money on brown-colored games like Too Toilet Human, Gears of Crap, Crappy Tournament 2008 and other current-gen crap that abuses brown. Anyway, avoid that guy at all costs, fanboy = not cool

That's kind of creepy.

[Elixir]

This is just getting out of hand now.

[Ceph]

I am most deffinately [sic] saying Ceph is a dick, pap smear, cock wipe.... take your pick.

Dear readers, it should be noted that I never personally insulted Strider77; unless you count that one time where I kindly asked him to not expose us to his underwear any longer, which apprently caused a long running grudge. (You may or may not remember that nice photo of his with a stylish sieg-heil-haircut which he used as his avatar for 2 years).

white nigger

That's a bit much, of course.

[junkeR]

This is just getting out of hand now.

This thread has completely derailed.

[Ceph]

Alright, back on topic.

I think we can all argree that it would have been a good idea to include a storage medium with higher capacity than DVD when Xbox 360 was first released, because games are constantly getting larger. Another thing that doesn't make much sense was to release the 360 "core" version without HDMI.

However, not properly ironing out the design flaws and not waiting for a DVD successor allowed Micorsoft to be the first company to release a next-generation console (and at a cheaper price than their main competitor Sony), a strategy that so far seems to be paying off.

Still, let's not forget that initially Microsoft made it sound like they would support Blu Ray if it won; so it's understandable if any 360-owners hoping for such an add on are angry now.