Yu Suzuki is no longer at Sega

jp · Post by jp » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:03 pm

http://kotaku.com/5035655/shenmue-creat ... er-at-sega

Lets see... Yuji Naka, Naoto Ohshima, Yu Suzuki, Yukio Futatsugi, Hiroyuki Takahashi, Yasuhiro Taguchi... yup, Sega is officially NOT Sega anymore.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:23 pm

Sega is Clover these days!

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:44 pm

sega died years ago

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:14 am

jpj wrote:sega died years ago

I don't see where talk like this comes from they're still releasing awesome arcade games. 2Spicy HoTD4 New racing games etc. Their one of the few companies still making arcade games at all and most fighters 2-D or 3-d come to Lindberg or Naomi at one point or another. Too many people living in the past.

This does suck though.

junkeR · Post by **junkeR** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:29 am

He was basically the last man left in Sega as far as I am concerned. It sorta sucks to hear he's not with the company anymore... I hope he continues in gaming with some other company.

Violent Ken · Post by **Violent Ken** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:36 am

Maybe in a very rich company giving enough money to make Shenmue 3!

...and now, I'm waking up...

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:07 am

Very curious where Shenmue 3 will end up (other than the bin).

jp · Post by jp » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:18 am

GaijinPunch wrote:Very curious where Shenmue 3 will end up (other than the bin).

After Shenmue II on the XBox I highly doubt Sega ever had any intention of doing anything with Shenmue III.

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:24 am

Lets see... Yuji Naka, Naoto Ohshima, Yu Suzuki, Yukio Futatsugi, Hiroyuki Takahashi, Yasuhiro Taguchi... yup, Sega is officially NOT Sega anymore.

Toshihiro Nagoshi is the only one that actually matters and he is still with Sega. And I take it you haven`t played Ryu ga Gotoku: Kenzan and Valkyria Chronicles.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:25 am

GaijinPunch wrote:Very curious where Shenmue 3 will end up (other than the bin).

Probably as a crossplatform DS/Wii action game with Sonic

ahh, how I yearn for the days of GENESIS DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T

jp · Post by jp » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:59 am

Jonathan Ingram wrote:
Lets see... Yuji Naka, Naoto Ohshima, Yu Suzuki, Yukio Futatsugi, Hiroyuki Takahashi, Yasuhiro Taguchi... yup, Sega is officially NOT Sega anymore.
Toshihiro Nagoshi is the only one that actually matters

You... are high.

I would say the creators of Shining Force, Sonic the Hedgehog, NiGHTS, Shenmue, Virtua Fighter, and Panzer Dragoon would be a little* bit higher on the list than the guy responsible for fucking Super Monkey Ball.

And by "a little" I mean a fucking lot.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:03 am

jp wrote:I would say the creators of Shining Force, Sonic the Hedgehog, NiGHTS, Shenmue, Virtua Fighter, and Panzer Dragoon would be a wee* bit higher on the list than the guy responsible for fucking Super Monkey Ball. :roll:

You're high, forgetting the people responsible for Sega's awesome oldskool arcade games, and consoles that didn't perform like shit in their generation (much love for the Saturn but not as a new 3D system)

;D

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:15 am

Well, we've already seen what happened to Virtua Fighter without Yu Suzuki. Let's hope the same doesn't happen to Sega at large. As an aside, Mr. Jeffery is a pretty refreshing voice in the game industry.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:31 am

Ed Oscuro wrote:
jp wrote:I would say the creators of Shining Force, Sonic the Hedgehog, NiGHTS, Shenmue, Virtua Fighter, and Panzer Dragoon would be a wee* bit higher on the list than the guy responsible for fucking Super Monkey Ball.
You're high, forgetting the people responsible for Sega's awesome oldskool arcade games, and consoles that didn't perform like shit in their generation (much love for the Saturn but not as a new 3D system)

;D

I listed a bunch of Sega's old school people. The only Saturn person I listed was Futatsugi.

Yu Suzuki is still responsible for a large junk of Sega's old school arcade greatness.

And the other people I listed were responsible for Sonic the Hedgehog and Shining Force.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:35 am

What have those geniuses done as of late? JP, I usually agree with you in Sega-related matters, but I get the vibe they were clinging to their old ideas and keeping new talents and fresh games from coming out. (If any, of course)

Meh, me tired.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:51 am

Specineff wrote:What have those geniuses done as of late? JP, I usually agree with you in Sega-related matters, but I get the vibe they were clinging to their old ideas and keeping new talents and fresh games from coming out. (If any, of course)
Meh, me tired.

Last thing Futatsugi did was Phantom Dust, which was amazing. Then he ran Microsoft of Japan for awhile, and recently he's ditched them and is working on a new game.

Yuji Naka was trying to make new stuff. Sure, he kept getting stuck on new Sonic games, but Phantasy Star Online was a new idea from him. Billy Hatcher (which Frogacuda will swear up and down was awesome, I never played it much though). Also there was NiGHTS and Burning Rangers.

Yuzuki... pretty much wound up in a corner office after Shenmue II. So... I mean, he made Shenmue II and VF4. What more do you want from the guy?

In so far as the Shining Force guys, well... Ok, they make Mario Golf and Mario Tennis now. Before that they made Golden Sun.

But I mean, really, Sega USED to be really good about always making new IPs. I mean, sure, there was Sonic, and that was always there, and Shining Force, but outside of those? Every generation had a whole new group of IPs.

Now they just rehash the same shit over... and over... and over... and over... and over... and rape the old IPs... over... and over... and over... and over...

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:17 am

jp wrote:I listed a bunch of Sega's old school people. The only Saturn person I listed was Futatsugi. ;)

Bah, apparenty me tired also. I should've written "franchises" or something. I was thinking as I wrote that about Yu Suzuki's involvement with arcade games...ehh

And yes, Phantom Dust was a great idea. It at the least looks amazing as hell. I should pull it back out sometime and get through the single-player, at least.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:34 am

Ganelon wrote:Well, we've already seen what happened to Virtua Fighter without Yu Suzuki.

Does Virtua Fighter 5 really suck? I guess it can only be worse than 4.

Billy Hatcher sux0red, dunno what Frogacuda is talking about.

Couldn't care who is at Sega as long as they're making good games. Too bad they're not, they can just keep milking the Sonic cow and millions of people will keep shelling out $50 for endless sequels to a game that wasn't even that great in its original iteration, so why should they care about quality?

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:37 am

Neon wrote:millions of people will keep shelling out $50 for endless sequels to a game that wasn't even that great in its original iteration,

yes

but...will they? I won't, but then again I've never bought a Sonic at retail (I think my newest one is Sonic 2, or maybe the one for Game Gear)

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:15 am

Does Virtua Fighter 5 really suck?

It's Virtual Fighter 4: Final Tuneder v1.12 in HD

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:44 am

Sega tried to save the arcade scene and failed. When they dived into other genre's they just poured too much resources into it.

The only good things to come out of Sega in recent times are SMB, Rez and Crazy Taxi. Sega is also a company which fails to listen to its fans over and over and over. The amount of times i've heard of people wanting Scud Race, Sega Rally 2 etc etc, its ridiculous.

Personally Sega could reignite some love by bringing all model 2 games to PSN for network play. It can't be hard, the I.P's are all well known and the PSN architecture is suitable for it. Hell, when "home" is released they could have an arcade with 8 player deluxe cabs on Daytona lined up, take a seat and enjoy instant gratification and relive the 90's. To me these things seem simple, but to Sega.. oh no! Sonic it is then

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:01 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
Does Virtua Fighter 5 really suck?
It's Virtual Fighter 4: Final Tuneder v1.12 in HD

wrong =\

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:11 pm

jp wrote:
Jonathan Ingram wrote:
Lets see... Yuji Naka, Naoto Ohshima, Yu Suzuki, Yukio Futatsugi, Hiroyuki Takahashi, Yasuhiro Taguchi... yup, Sega is officially NOT Sega anymore.
Toshihiro Nagoshi is the only one that actually matters
You... are high.

I would say the creators of Shining Force, Sonic the Hedgehog, NiGHTS, Shenmue, Virtua Fighter, and Panzer Dragoon would be a little* bit higher on the list than the guy responsible for fucking Super Monkey Ball.

And by "a little" I mean a fucking lot.

Um.... no. To those who actually pay attention to the industry Toshihiro Nagoshi is more known for:

...than a fucking Monkey Ball.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:34 pm

Yakuza SUCKS. The game has a few fans, but I never understood why. Gameplay is boring as hell, there's some bla bla bla, some wandering around and then a crap beat'em up. Then some more bla bla bla, some more walking around, and then back to the crap beat'em up.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:25 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:but...will they?

Not directly related to this, but when I read it I couldn't help but think of this article, which I found linked on IC yesterday...most notably, apparently, of the nearly 7 million "units" sold by Sega in its last quarter, only around 800K were sold in Japan, the rest were in the West. Apparently the company's got more appeal with Westerners these days than it does at home...

EDIT: Also from IC, apparently even though he's technically not "with" Sega anymore, Suzuki is still associated with them somehow.

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:17 pm

Yakuza SUCKS. The game has a few fans, but I never understood why. Gameplay is boring as hell, there's some bla bla bla, some wandering around and then a crap beat'em up. Then some more bla bla bla, some more walking around, and then back to the crap beat'em up.

The same argument could be elevated against Shenmue: you just wander around, talk to people and search for sailors. Guess why Shenmue 1-2 flopped so badly in retail? Most people hated that kind of gameplay(I for the record love both Shenmue games).

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:25 pm

Jonathan Ingram wrote:Shenmue [...] talk to people and search for sailors.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:36 pm

P_HAT wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:
Does Virtua Fighter 5 really suck?
It's Virtual Fighter 4: Final Tuneder v1.12 in HD
wrong =\

You're right. 1.02 is much more accurate... and likely wouldn't have bombed nearly as hard as 5 did.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:05 pm

The only good things to come out of Sega in recent times are SMB, Rez and Crazy Taxi.

F-zero, Outrun 2 and SP (really i don't understand the lack of love for this game, it's classic sega through and through, must be b/c it's on "xbox"), then After Burner Climax.

There are more..... I like VF 5, but I liked 4 so the jump in visuals was enough for me.

I've recently been playing the hell out of initial d on PS3, it's a port with no visual update but has online play and I'm totally addicted, the only next gen racer I've been this drawn to and a great ARCADE racer.

Then there is the amazing job they've done with all the sega ages discs. I've enjoyed ghost squad also, along with Yakuza.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:07 pm

i've been rocking the outrun2 lately - what a game!