Doom 4....

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:30 pm

Will Do!

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:46 pm

I guess i'll finally upgrade around the time this comes out. By that time a Crysis machine should be affordable and i'm gonna need it anyway for Half-Life ep3. I wish they would release a good version of Doom 3 for the 360. The X-Box version is sub-par so i always just play it on my pc and get glitchy errors cause my computer sucks.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:22 am

circuitface wrote:I guess i'll finally upgrade around the time this comes out. By that time a Crysis machine should be affordable and i'm gonna need it anyway for Half-Life ep3. I wish they would release a good version of Doom 3 for the 360. The X-Box version is sub-par so i always just play it on my pc and get glitchy errors cause my computer sucks.

As long as it's not playable with a keyboard and a mouse on the 360 it's always going to be way, way inferior. I think a Crysis machine has been affordable for a while now, for around 700€ (1000$ ?), a friend of mine got way enough to play it about 6 months ago.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:25 am

moozooh wrote:If it's anything like 30 FPS games of the past, it just means every frame will be shown twice at 60 Hz display refresh rate. FYI, Super Mario 64 is a 30 FPS game, N64 Zeldas are 20, and SNES Starfox is 20 or lower. None of them flicker, as you remember.

Oh, and Diablo 2 is also 30 FPS or even less, can't remember by now.

I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I can recognize when a game runs under 60 fps without a fps counter, and Mario 64 definitely runs at 60 fps. Diablo 2 obviously runs over 60 fps, as long as your computer isn't lagging (PC games are never blocked under 60 fps, why would they be ?).

As for Quake 3, maybe it runs at "30 hz" on some console version, but obviously you can make it run at 120, 200, 300fps or whatever you want on a PC (with your screen set at whichever frequency rate you want, I used to play with my screen set to 100hz for instance).

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:26 am

Haha, i mean affordable for ME

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:49 am

PROMETHEUS wrote:I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I can recognize when a game runs under 60 fps without a fps counter, and Mario 64 definitely runs at 60 fps. Diablo 2 obviously runs over 60 fps, as long as your computer isn't lagging (PC games are never blocked under 60 fps, why would they be ?).

You can recognize it all you want, but seriously, the game is capped to 30 fps. You can run it in any emulator, and it will update the screen not more than 30 times per second (showing you duplicate frames to avoid flickering), or you can run it on a console and record it on a dvd recorder at 60 fps, and conduct the same test. This has been done because N64 is actually pretty weak for 3D (much thanks to not very clever hardware design), and the game lags in numerous areas (Bowser's sub hall in Dire, Dire Docks) even with that.

Diablo 2 is capped at 25 fps internally. Don't ask me why, because I honestly don't know. It is the reason experienced players judge weapon/cast speed by the amount of frames needed to complete the attack or cast cycle.

Duke Nukem 3D is capped at 26 FPS because its code is the messiest shit ever (which is also why the awful N64 port runs anywhere between 5—25 fps, rendering the game virtually unplayable during the busy moments).

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:12 pm

I can't imagine a game running as low as 30 or 25 fps without me even noticing, and there are some guys talking about much higher fps on Diablo 2 ( http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/ind ... opic=19554 or http://discussions.virtualdr.com/showth ... p?t=198159 ), so I guess those talking about a 25 fps cap just aren't playing the game with the right configuration (maybe something about the game rendering mode). I can't test to check on my computer because I don't have the game installed right now.

edit : however I just ran super mario 64 and it indeed runs at 30 fps I couldn't even notice it @_____@

worstplayer · Post by **worstplayer** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:12 pm

Maybe the game logic runs at 30FPS and object's positions are interpolated at higher speeds. That would be actually pretty good solution.

kemical · Post by **kemical** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:45 am

I can assure you that Doom 4 will be an excellent experience, and the 30 fps thing will not be a problem at all, it will be no different than watching a movie in 1080p...

Post by **Dave_K.** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:12 am

Doom 4 can kiss my wimpy-laptop-graphics-card's ass. I'm looking forward to some unfettered multiplayer fragging with Quake Live.

Thinimus · Post by **Thinimus** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:18 am

Good motion blur hides frame rates. Movies run/ran at 24 frames per second.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:27 am

Thinimus wrote:Good motion blur hides frame rates. Movies run/ran at 24 frames per second.

I imagine myself trying to play a game as fast paced as HL2DM at 24 FPS

and I laugh

Blurring means precision goes to hell, and you're right back where you started with a slower game

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:39 am

Doom 4 won't run at 30 fps on PC, don't worry. Unless you really can't afford a PC, you should play this game on a PC, because it is just MUCH better. And yes, you will feel the 30fps and it will help ruin the game for you if you play on a console, along with the terrible controls.

Hey Dave_K I'll see you on Quake Live ;D I'm a quake III fan.