Shooting Game Tournament 2008 (Organizer Recruitment)

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Shooting Game Tournament 2008 (Organizer Recruitment)

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Greetings, forum.

I’ve been asked a few times about starting up Shooting Game Tournament 2008.

Edge and I have discussed it. He has some new responsibilities in real life that he must devote his full time to, and I just moved in with my girl and I initiated my accounting career that I do not intend to fuck up, breaking my free time into unpredictable inconsistent very short periods.
Therefore, both of us regretfully must decline our roles as primary organizers of the annual tournament for 2008.

You, the internet, have 2 choices:


A. Put the tournament on ice for 2008 and revisit the possibility for a 2009 tournament when the time comes.

B. Divide up the tournament tasks to all who are willing and they construct STGT 2008.




Since this is the third year of it, many users who have participated sorta know the drill by now. Edge and I tried to smooth out rules and other details as best we could so the [integrity of tournament] drama could be minimized. What that means to the volunteers who take this task over is to just copy the format we’ve been doing the past 2 years.


The tasks are:

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1.	 The Registration Thread
Example 06 | Example 07
This thread will be the first thing opened to initiate the tournament. It will be opened alongside the Week Themes Selection thread. The volunteer will add players, move players, and construct teams as requested by all players wishing to participate. The registration period should run 3 weeks to a month with a formal deadline to close all player registration known well in advance. We created a player registration form for willing participants to post so sorting the players out will be slightly easier. After the registration thread, it is recommended the volunteer assist or guide the other volunteers in any way possible, especially during questions asked in the scoring week threads.

Requirements: The volunteer should be available to update the team rosters and player requests to post 1 on a daily or near-daily basis for the duration of the registration period. Must work well with others and have the whole “sense of leadership” thing.

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Volunteers:

sikraiken

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2.	The Week Themes Selection Thread
Example 08
This thread will open alongside the Registration Thread. As you know, the STGT is based on 5 playing weeks voting on 5 game choices with all 5 choices revolving around a set theme. During the registration period, this thread will be used for group discussion of what 5 game themes the STGT should have. The volunteer can decide the final 5 choices however he/she wants as long as popular opinion is taken into reasonable account. After that decision is made, a schedule should be made (coordinating with the Registration thread deadline) as to what weeks will feature which game voting theme. Remember every theme week is a 2 week period, the first week is a formal voting period and the second week is spent playing the decided game.
After the registration period ends, the thread will be used for discussion of what games should be picked for upcoming themed weeks, including what games should be eliminated because of known scoring bugs, exploits, infinites, poor emulation, etc. The volunteer will update post 1 with a summary of popular game choices for MAME testing.

Requirements: The volunteer should be available to answer questions and maintain his/her method of assessing week theme choices a few times a week. During each playing week, the volunteer must keep post 1 up to date on summarizing popular game picks and invalid games so the volunteer in charge of game testing will have a good time period to actually test the games so the next voting week can be constructed. Basically, common sense, an understanding of calendars, and observing what people want is required. Must work well with others.

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Volunteers:

mikwuyma

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3.	The Shortlist Guy
This Volunteer will be formally deciding what the 5 games of a voting week will be. To do this, the volunteer will need to observe the popular game titles from the Week Themes Selection Thread, then download and credit-feed through enough game choices that satisfy the week theme, checking for errors or scoring exploits that would fuck up the week if that game were voted on. After the shortlist is created, he/she tells the Voting Week volunteer via PM.

Requirements:
The volunteer must:
-Make sure the game works in MAME and any quirks about getting the ROM to run are easily communicatable to 90+ people.
-Figure out a reasonable autofire setting where needed. Too fast can break the game, too slow can make the game not fun if the player can tap the button consistently faster than your setting.
-During EVERY boss or midboss area where the scrolling stops until the enemy(s) is defeated, make sure:
--The player cannot accumulate points DURING that fight
--If the player CAN accumulate points during the fight, the fight must time-out.
--If the player can accumulate points and the fight does not time out, then verify if the fight becomes progressively harder as time passes and DOES NOT LEVEL OFF.
-Check scoring threads, strategy threads, and google for known scoring exploits, easy counter stops, and bugs that will mess up the scoring week.
-Snap and upload screenshots of each game for use by the Voting Week volunteer.

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Volunteers:

Twiddle

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4.	The Voting Week Threads
Example A | Example B | Example C | Example D
The actual STGT is a 10 week period. A voting week, then a playing week, repeated 5 times. This volunteer will construct a voting thread with a known ending deadline based on that week’s gaming theme (the forum Poll function is not required). This will be constructed using the 5 shortlist game picks of the Shortlist Guy, and the banner created by The Banner Art Guy (if available), along with providing a short description of each game. Because we want voting to be limited to all players actually in the tournament, all votes are taken from players posting their choice in the voting thread, in addition to the Private Vote which gives players the option to send their vote to username "STGT" to be counted. Immediately after the voting thread deadline has been reached, the volunteer must announce the thread is closed and be able to tally up the results of all who have voted at that time via the thread and the PM inbox of user "STGT". A [cropped] screenshot should be taken, uploaded, and hotlinked into the post 1 as proof of private votes. Furthermore, the results of the vote would be added to post 1 and the game chosen for that themed week would be formally announced.

Requirements:
To sift through many thread pages and spot the formal vote posted by each player, being aware of users who may illegally edit their vote or other users who will still post votes while not registered for the tournament.
The volunteer should know how to take screenshots and post the pic in a thread.
Most importantly, this volunteer must be able to set this voting deadline between Sunday afternoon and Monday morning and BE THERE when it ends long enough to formally announce the end of the voting period, count the votes, and post the results so the Scoring Week volunteer can begin the next step.

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Volunteers:

sikraiken


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5.	The Scoring Weeks Threads
Example A | Example B | Example C | Example D
Immediately after every scoring week, this volunteer will put up a scoring thread in the hi-score subforum. This is run pretty much like any other scoreboard, requiring to post the game defaults, settings, etc., but the frequency of posts will be much higher than most threads, so the volunteer will not only have to keep the thread up to date throughout the week with a neatly formatted table, but he/she may have to answer extra questions that were previously unforeseen until players download the game, such as MAME to console version differences, modes, and other settings. All volunteers who have played the game already should be able to communicate with each other and settle these questions relatively quickly before most players can 1CC or hit their scoring peaks. The scoring thread will have a known and posted deadline by which the volunteer will be able to close the thread and fully update the scoreboard so the Final Results volunteer can take on the next step.

Requirements:
Must be available daily during the scoring weeks to upkeep and maintain the scoring thread. Must be able to research and resolve player questions quickly and politely, even going as far as to teach players how to run the game if necessary. Must be available to formally close each scoring thread at the deadline and update the scoreboard right down to the final post.

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Volunteers:

mikwuyma

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6.	The Final Results Thread
Example A | Example B | Example C | Example D
This volunteer will maintain and post the final results to every scoring week. This requires maintenance of 4 scoreboards:
-Team Rankings
-Breakdown of Each Team’s Top 3
-Single Player Rankings (this game)
-Single Player Rankings
While this is a team-based tournament involving taking the top 3 scores from every team and dividing up ranking points evenly by placement, single player statistics were maintained through a different system of ranking points. These are probably the toughest threads to create unless firestorm(STG)’s ranking application is utilized. Half the nightmare is calculating the points while the other half is formatting all the posted numbers. It is possible to make this a two-person task.

Requirements:
I recommend players who have played in past tournaments volunteer for this since they are familiar with how ranking points are distributed.
The volunteer will have to calculate how the team points and individual points are distributed according to placement in the scoring weeks, add them together accordingly, then append and format each of the 4 scoring tables.

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Volunteers:

Davey
Enhasa


(I nominate firestorm(STG) & mikwuyma. Up to them to accept)

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7.	The Banner Art Guy
Example A | Example B | Example C | Example D
See how every voting week thread and main registration & theme thread had a banner made for them. You would be making those. Just PM your delivery to the Vote Thread volunteer so he/she can add that to the thread. This task is optional, but having somebody to do these is nice and makes everything look all “formal” or something…

Requrements:
Having and not sucking at Photoshop,GIMP, etc.
Webspace to upload to and display hotlinked pics.

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Volunteers:

JoshF
Zebra Airforce




Anybody intending to help with organization can take on multiple roles like Edge and I did. Just don’t stretch yourself too thin. This tourney requires 2 people at least, and even that is pushing it…
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I nominate SiKraiken
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Post by mikwuyma »

I can definitely do the scoring weeks threads. I'm usually free on Sundays, so it's not hard for me to create a score thread. I'll just need Sleeperseye to tell me how to format a spreadsheet so that it doesn't look like complete junk in the scoring thread :P (or he can do it himself).

I'd also be willing to handle registration if no one else will do it, and I'll also be willing to help with theme weeks (I have a couple of ideas already).

Also, I don't want to calculate final results unless if the point system is revised. Instead of the high ranks getting really high scores, first place should get [# of teams x 3], then second place gets one point less, third place, two points less, and so on until last place, which would be either one or zero points. If some teams don't have all three people participate, then the stragglers get a few extra bonus points ;)

I know I didn't explain the system very well, but if there were 11 teams, then first place would get 33 points, second 32 points, and so on.

I think this new system would be better for two reasons.

1. It would be easier to understand and calculate (IMHO). I honestly don't understand the current system very well.

2. It would probably be the single best way to "beat the spread". Instead of certain teams being way ahead (namako team being 200+ points over Team Sweden, who placed second; team sda and team sweden being well ahead 4th place and below), getting high places wouldn't boost winning teams so far ahead they're nearly untouchable.
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Post by Twiddle »

Public votes are fucking retarded. Votes should be on a private message dropbox basis to deter "strategic" voting sabotage.
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Twiddle wrote:Public votes are fucking retarded. Votes should be on a private message dropbox basis to deter "strategic" voting sabotage.
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P_HAT wrote:
Twiddle wrote:Public votes are fucking retarded. Votes should be on a private message dropbox basis to deter "strategic" voting sabotage.
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Post by sikraiken »

I'd be willing to oversee/organize the whole thing and have other people help out. I have some different ideas on how to run it that I'd like to throw out there. Let me know, people.
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I want to be shortlist guy
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Twiddle wrote:Public votes are fucking retarded. Votes should be on a private message dropbox basis to deter "strategic" voting sabotage.
I'm not in, but the man is on to something.
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Post by ED-057 »

Half the nightmare is calculating the points while the other half is formatting all the posted numbers. It is possible to make this a two-person task.
I could write a little command line prog to sort entries, award points, and output a formatted table.
Twiddle wrote:I want to be shortlist guy
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+2
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Doujin&Console week pls.

Who cares about warez on stgt? Don't be a puritanic morons.
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P_HAT wrote:Don't be a puritanic morons.
wait did you forget what forum you're on?
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Zebra and Me could do some MS Paint banners. They would kill you.
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Post by Enhasa »

Macaw should just be in charge of everything. :wink:


The only one I actually care about is it would be good if the person doing theme selection is reasonable.

Registration thread should be prioritized so it gets done ASAP. The other responsibilities aren't urgent yet.
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Post by mikwuyma »

I agree with Enhasa, including the comment about Macaw, except we might be forced to play Zing Zing Zip again, or even worse, EIGHT FORCES! :lol:

Anyways, I did say I was willing to take up registration, just don't expect me to make any banners. I also offered a change to the point system that everyone promptly ignored :(.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:
ED-057 wrote:1
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+2 +1.

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P_HAT wrote:Doujin [...] week pls.
This.
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I vote Sik does everything, especially art.
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JoshF wrote:Zebra and Me could do some MS Paint banners. They would kill you.
I agree, JoshF and Zebra banners for life
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Post by -Bridget- »

Im willing to help out as well.

I could easily deal with scoring threads or something like that..... I seriously have nothing but time on my hands, basically every day, lol.
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Post by DJ Incompetent »

Alright. Here's what I got so far:


The Registration Thread:
sikraiken

The Week Themes Selection Thread:
mikwuyma

The Shortlist Guy:
Twiddle

The Voting Week Threads:
sikraiken ~?
-Bridget- ~?

The Scoring Weeks Threads:
mikwuyma

The Final Results Thread:
ED-057 ~?
mikwuyma ~?

The Banner Art Guys:
JoshF (& Zebra Airforce)

~? = indirectly expressed interest. Unconfirmed.

Let's solidify the Registration Thread and Week Themes Selection Thread now since Enhasa is right and those need to be launched asap. I have no objections to sik running registration and mik running week themes selection. If nobody has any objections till say, noon-ish Saturday (GMT), both of them may begin launching their threads. Overkill has not spoken in the thread, so JoshF may begin his MS Paint banners that will kill us all.



As for the other things like mikwuyma's point change proposal, changing to all-private voting, doujin weeks, and all that other stuff, I'll get back with you guys on that. I'm going to some bullshit wedding in another state right after I get out of work here and will be out of town the weekend. No I don't have a laptop.
Until then, please understand that many of the STGT rules are the way they are because of lots of deliberation and compromise. So if you're really set on proposing a radical rule change, please visit this thread on STGT Guidelines and use the first post to navigate to the discussion that applies to what you want to change. If you're still all about making a major change, I would advise staging a formal thread discussion about it, explaining in-detail what you want and why, and give the forum reasonable time to argue if your proposal is a good idea. You can do this by bringing back the STGT Guidelines thread, or take your idea to that "What the Cock is up with STGT 08" thread and flesh out your idea. This thread isn't good for discussing rule changes. This one is for making sure this tourney thing even gets off the ground.


Any questions, I'll get back with you on Monday, if not within the next 6 hours during work.


and thanks again :D
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I can do the voting week threads as well.
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Post by mikwuyma »

Hmmm, I'm not sure about choosing the theme weeks myself, especially if it really does require getting along with others :p, but I guess I can try.
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Post by sikraiken »

I'd be willing to help you with making the decision or by giving you my thoughts about what you want to do.
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sikraiken wrote:I'd be willing to help you with making the decision or by giving you my thoughts about what you want to do.
Ditto.
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Post by mikwuyma »

Sounds good, but Touhou does not qualify for a week, moozooh :P
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Like that is somehow relevant. :roll:
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Post by orange »

I'm confused as to how Touhou doesn't qualify?
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Post by mikwuyma »

I just meant having a Touhou week (all choices being Touhou games)
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