Final Fantasy XIII is coming to the 360!!...

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:29 pm

jp wrote:Yeah, the packaging sucks for the US. Everywhere else got a decent package though.

Europe received the same art as what the US did, right? But then again, the Asian English version works with European consoles.

Since you recently bought a Japanese 360, you could always order the Asian English version off Play-Asia.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:00 pm

makes it look like an entirely action-RPG.

I can only hope

Violent Ken · Post by **Violent Ken** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:02 pm

There will be an exclusive option on the PS3 version...

...the aliasing...

Dremark · Post by **Dremark** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:31 am

Elixir wrote:
jp wrote:Yeah, the packaging sucks for the US. Everywhere else got a decent package though.
Europe received the same art as what the US did, right? But then again, the Asian English version works with European consoles.

Since you recently bought a Japanese 360, you could always order the Asian English version off Play-Asia.

I wasn't talking about the art, and I don't think he was either. The US version has three discs shoved in a normal case on top of each other and an envelope with the fourth clipped to the other side.

Grabbing the Asian version might be a good solution though because i'll be buying a Japanese 360 when I get around to buying one.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:39 am

Even more reason to get the Asian English release, then.

See:

jp · Post by jp » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:01 am

Elixir wrote:
jp wrote:Yeah, the packaging sucks for the US. Everywhere else got a decent package though.
Europe received the same art as what the US did, right? But then again, the Asian English version works with European consoles.

Since you recently bought a Japanese 360, you could always order the Asian English version off Play-Asia.

Actually, I think the European version was similar to the Asian one.

Or maybe that was the Australian release. Hmmmm...

Violent Ken · Post by **Violent Ken** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:04 am

No, the European versions are all stored in a spindle...

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:04 am

EU blue dragon box

http://www.game.co.uk/search.aspx?platf ... lue+dragon

Lost odyssey EU box

http://www.game.co.uk/Xbox360/RolePlayi ... t-Odyssey/

yeah there in a single spindle like V-K said

jp · Post by jp » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:09 am

Bah! Looks like I was getting it mixed up with the Australian release, which DID come in the same box as the Asian release.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:16 am

jp wrote:Bah! Looks like I was getting it mixed up with the Australian release, which DID come in the same box as the Asian release.

Group order on replacement multi disc cases

TLDragoon · Post by **TLDragoon** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:47 am

dave4shmups wrote:Back OT, I really loved the demo that I played (came with Dragon Quest VIII) of FFXII, but some people seem to hate the battle system-why is that? I need to pick it up sometime. At any rate, the trailer for FF XIII makes it look like an entirely action-RPG.

I just never cared for the style 12 used (like in Bioware's games). That and the gambits being one of the more tedious and needlessly time consuming AI systems I've seen made for an intolerable experience for me. I'm ultimately planning to give it another shot, but my series playthrough stalled out at 7 (do I want to power-level or just wrap things up?)

While I'm not completely shocked, with all of S-E's other recent announcements for the 360, it has to be a blow to Sony's prospects to a degree. How much though remains to be seen since, IIRC, the Japanese version is still PS3 only for now.

But, the only way this would reach the Nintendo "defection" would be if S-E completely canceled the PS3 version and moved it to the 360. Now that would REALLY be interesting to watch.

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:57 am

Strider77 wrote:It's taking a long time.... I have never seen a generation take this long to show some signs of being a stronger beast.

Right off the bat the PS1 showed it had better 3D, when the xbox 1 and GC game out you could easily see some extra juice under the hood. Especially after a year.

I still think it's probable the PS3 has some extra power under the hood but this is a 1st for taking so long to show something over the other.

As far as I know the 360 only goes up to 720, whereas the PS3 does 1080p. But the only game that I own that has done 1080p is GTA4, and most games on all platforms already chug along at 30fps.

The PS3 versions of GTA4 and DMC4 were also slightly better graphically, but in a "run both at the same time and really look for things" kind of way (no tearing and pop-up). Another clear advantage is the storage, FFXIII isn't going to come on 3 DVD's and MGS4 had something stupid like 40gb of 7.1 audio.

As you say the CPU isn’t being used properly because companies, especially western ones, develop for the PC/360 first and then port to the PS3. So the unusual architecture is a disadvantage.

Anyway, the RPG’s I’m most looking forward to right now are Persona4 and Disgaea3, so to hell with graphics :)

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:22 am

I wouldn't say DMC4 is better on PS3.... I own it on PS3 but have played alot of the 360 one at a buddies house.

The aliasing is better on the 360... sharper (the textures are deffinately more sharp). The PS3 adds a slight motion blur to help with the jaggedness. The PS3 version slows down on the frog boss and also in the jungle. The 360 doesn't, you may see SLIGHT, and I do mean slight in that you have to look for it... screen tear on the jungle stage in one area if you pan the camera around.

The PS3's cutscenes go between 30 to 60.... keeps it 45 to 60 most the time while the 360 locks those at 30.

One is not really better than the other... just minor trade offs.

lost planet is a mess on PS3 for sure.

The 360 can output 1080p... now weather there are games that do is another matter. The 360 deffinately has an option to output 1080p... like I said this may be ONLY scaling but I can't say for sure.

Storage is better on PS3 sure but at the same time it loads blu rays musch slower than the 360 loads DVDs... the drive speeds of both are facts and the 360 is quicker. The PS3 gets around it with HD installs. Now PS3 owners will throw it in the face of 360 users that if MGS4 came to 360 they'd have to swap discs. Honestly is swapping a disc after hours of play really any worse that having to wait for a new install just as often. Neither is that much of an issue.... MGS4's installs meant nothing to me.

Either way the PS3 is not making the 360 look ragged, MGS4 is the only PS3 game along with ratchet and clank that I've had personal tie with that had me start see 1st hand experience the PS3 is possibly more powerful.

but Hideo has gone on the record saying the 360 could do MGS4 and he had pretty much maxed the PS3 with that game. But that's open to alot of interpretation.

My thing is PS3 owners don't have the right to hold their noses high yet when it comes to games with the best grafix. Spec sheets mean nothing without a game I can sit and play that show it to be true. I hope it is more powerful... I own both and would love to have even better looking games ANYTIME. I'd be stupid not to after shelling out 600.00.

Really both have alot to play on them... and will continue to have great games. NG2 and MGS4 were games that look fantastic and i really would have not been happy to miss out on either.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:23 pm

I don't suppose that there's any chance that Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey will ever make it to the PS3?

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:40 pm

I think MS was the actual publisher for those two games and may have footed some of the development costs. So I doubt it.

To be honest you aren't missing alot with BD and LO didn't blow me away.

jp · Post by jp » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:45 pm

dave4shmups wrote:I don't suppose that there's any chance that Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey will ever make it to the PS3?

No. Microsoft owns the Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey IPs. Though MS is letting Mistwalker make Blue Dragon for the DS.

And don't listen to Striker. Most anybody will tell you that Lost Odyssey was outright amazing. A lot of people didn't like Blue Dragon too much though... but I doubt those people ever finished it. The ending was a lot of what made Blue Dragon for me (that, the world, the combat initiation dealie with the circle, and the job system. Though Blue Dragon on Normal difficulty is kinda lame, Hard Mode is where its at!).

AAA · Post by **AAA** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:29 pm

not true about the IP ownership, please check the legal lines on the 360 version game boxes

Lawfer · Post by **Lawfer** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:40 pm

Strider77 wrote:could wind up the same quality wise.... especially with the new ability to do a HDD instal on any game.

HDD doesn't seem to help in anything else then faster loading times, however the PS3 multiport games seems to suffer from blur effect especially in the background, compared to the games on Xbox360 were everything is clear in the background.

PS3: The 128Mb videocard
Xbox360: The 256Mb videocard

jp wrote:Microsoft, you're lame. You have Mistwalker sitting around somewhere, Sakaguchi, the man who created Final Fantasy is virtually owned by you, and you have not brought Mistwalker out to your giant RPG day OR to E3.

SPOILER:

Lost Odyssey was meh... It was good don't get me wrong, but the game was all around average. No epic music, no epic battles, no epic storyline... The only epic RPG's nowdays seems to all come from Tri-Ace.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:17 pm

jp wrote:
dave4shmups wrote:I don't suppose that there's any chance that Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey will ever make it to the PS3?

No. Microsoft owns the Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey IPs. Though MS is letting Mistwalker make Blue Dragon for the DS.

And don't listen to Striker. Most anybody will tell you that Lost Odyssey was outright amazing. A lot of people didn't like Blue Dragon too much though... but I doubt those people ever finished it. The ending was a lot of what made Blue Dragon for me (that, the world, the combat initiation dealie with the circle, and the job system. Though Blue Dragon on Normal difficulty is kinda lame, Hard Mode is where its at!).

Blue Dragon for the DS! Is it coming out here? I played some of it on a 360 retail unit about a year ago, and loved it! I'd get Lost Odyssey, it's a J-RPG that looks great.

jp · Post by jp » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:32 pm

I would assume Blue Dragon DS WILL eventually come out in the US since Mistwalker's other two DS games are coming out over here (ASH and Away).

Blue Dragon is great. I recommend Hard Mode though if you're an experienced JRPG player. And honestly, it does drag at times, but the ending makes up for that.

In so far as Lost Odyssey, I don't know what this board's deal is. Anywhere else you go you'll just see folks praising. Lost Odyssey was brilliant, with the best character developement in an RPG, Nobuo Uematsu's best music yet, and some damn solid gameplay since they got rid of the "level grinding" aspect.

gavin19 · Post by **gavin19** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:44 pm

jp wrote:In so far as Lost Odyssey, I don't know what this board's deal is. Anywhere else you go you'll just see folks praising. Lost Odyssey was brilliant, with the best character developement in an RPG, Nobuo Uematsu's best music yet, and some damn solid gameplay since they got rid of the "level grinding" aspect.

Given that the majority of the reviews were in the 70% region it's pretty obvious what this board's deal is. I remember reading a couple of UK reviews from Edge and Gamesmaster, and they both gave it low 70s. Unfortunately there are a lot of minor annoyances which stunt it's enjoyment. I do enjoy it more than almost every other JRPG I have played yet though.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:17 am

I got bored with the game b/c of the main story.... by the 3rd disc I just didn't really care to much.

I also though some of the scenes were hammed up a bit... especially the bit with kids and everyone busting into tears.

I'm not saying it's bad... it could totally just be me. The short stories were good... just the main story didn't grab me in a major way.

I think th most fun I had with a battle system was grandia one and two. I didn't feel I had to level gind. You could but I won most of my battles by really paying attention to the initiative and using attacks ect to wack the enemies place in line down ect.

I've gotten kinda bored with JRPGs recently.... I've been thinking about giving some of the persona games a try... any recommends for those?

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:38 am

ASH is getting an American release? Oh god no, that game is awful.

Lawfer · Post by **Lawfer** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:42 am

Strider77 wrote:I got bored with the game b/c of the main story.... by the 3rd disc I just didn't really care to much.

I also though some of the scenes were hammed up a bit... especially the bit with kids and everyone busting into tears.

I'm not saying it's bad... it could totally just be me. The short stories were good... just the main story didn't grab me in a major way.

I think th most fun I had with a battle system was grandia one and two. I didn't feel I had to level gind. You could but I won most of my battles by really paying attention to the initiative and using attacks ect to wack the enemies place in line down ect.

I've gotten kinda bored with JRPGs recently.... I've been thinking about giving some of the persona games a try... any recommends for those?

Unlike you I didn't get bored while playing Lost Odyssey, the thing is when I finally finished the game I didn't feel as if I played something OMG!

TLDragoon · Post by **TLDragoon** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:23 am

Strider77 wrote:I've gotten kinda bored with JRPGs recently.... I've been thinking about giving some of the persona games a try... any recommends for those?

I can't recommend those, but I do recommend Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 1&2 (also by Atlus). The battle system is "traditional" turn-based with random battles; although, it uses SMT: Nocturne's "Press Turn" system (Hit an enemy's weak point and only use half a turn, hit an enemy's strong point and lost 2 or all your turns--also used in Person 3, though it works a little differently from what I've heard).

The story, though, was just phenomenal and handled very maturely.

ForceDevice · Post by **ForceDevice** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:24 am

Strider77 wrote: I've gotten kinda bored with JRPGs recently.... I've been thinking about giving some of the persona games a try... any recommends for those?

P2: Eternal Punishment and P4 when the NA version comes out. The first Persona's localization is the worst EVER and I don't think you'll enjoy P3 if you have a social life.

EDIT:

I do recommend Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 1&2 (also by Atlus). (...)

The story, though, was just phenomenal and handled very maturely.

QFT. Should have mentioned these. Nocturne is awesome too, and Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha is the overall best SMT game on the PS2 (i.e. no huge flaws even though nothing stands out either)

DJM · Post by **DJM** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:00 am

Elixir wrote:Feeling kinda sorry for those PS3 owners right now. Their exclusives are going out the window.

I regret purchasing a PS3

. It sells great on ebay, though. I manged to get my money back and more

I need a new iPod...

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:32 am

I still do not want an Xbox 360. MS should try harder. Changing the brand name and outsourcing it to some European or Asian company would certainly help.

The PS3 still has a lot more exclusives that matter to me, like MGS4, Ryu ga Gotoku: Kenzan, Ryu ga Gotoku 3, Gran Turismo 5, Disgaea 3, Way of the Samurai 3, Valkyria Chronicles and Trico. Seriously, is there anything on Xbox 360 that`s even half as good as Ryu ga Gotoku: Kenzan?

Daedalus · Post by **Daedalus** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:05 pm

Taylor wrote:As far as I know the 360 only goes up to 720, whereas the PS3 does 1080p. But the only game that I own that has done 1080p is GTA4, and most games on all platforms already chug along at 30fps.

The Xbox 360 supports native 1080p games as well as upscaling 720p games.

ForceDevice · Post by **ForceDevice** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:37 pm

I heard the XBox 360 goes OVER NINE THOUS-- eh, forget it. Stupid joke.