Music Production and Editing Software

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:40 am

Well, it's mostly about precision. For example; having everything tied to pattern resolution often feels very limiting. There are a ton of options missing for basically every aspect of the editor that I have to do with other software outside Renoise to get it right, things that are implemented in professional audio gear. Also, it gets messy if you want to use large samples as you can't view the waveforms in the pattern editor, like with all other trackers, or even do HDD recording.

I love it for what it is, just saying there are more limits to what it can do.

worstplayer · Post by **worstplayer** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:58 am

How exactly does FL "unnecessary BS"? It's pretty much
1. add instrument
2. play
Just because it has advanced functions doesn't mean you HAVE to use them.

kemical · Post by **kemical** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:34 am

leading off topic but wow, I totally need to sign up on the SOUNDSHOCK forums, got a TX81Z FM synth that I love

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:02 pm

Never_Scurred wrote:I hated dicking around in programs like FL and reason doing all kinds of unnecessary bs to get my beats made.

Yeah I started off on Impulse tracker and of course, like everyone I had to have that awkward transition period around 2001-2003 when using DOS apps was no longer viable. I tried out fruity as well and completely hated it because it killed my workflow.

Fortunately I discovered Renoise in 2005 and I've never looked back.

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:05 pm

Never_Scurred wrote: Renoise is practically free. The demo is fully functional save for one feature that you can pretty much ignore(some weird saving function that you don't need).

Free version limitations: You can't export WAV's (can be overcome by recording in soundforge, or there's also a 3rd party vst that will capture everything off the master channel).

No ASIO support (this might be the "weird feature" you are referring to) although it is VERY useful (lower latencies)

And also the Nag screen, which is what made me purchase the full version early on because on my old athlon XP, there was some kind of bug that made the the nag screen pop up more like every 15 minutes instead of every hour.

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:09 pm

zinger wrote: I love it for what it is, just saying there are more limits to what it can do.

It's true, trackers' weaknesses are processing large samples. You can workaround that by using other 3rd party plugins to handle the audio portion. Lately I've experimented with using Fruity inside of Renoise and it works pretty well. There's also a thing called EnergyXT that is supposed to be pretty good, but I can't figure out how to use it

Don't let resolution limit you though, Double the pattern length and use speed 3 instead of 6.

or ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGK-EzEa45U

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:25 pm

Yeah, that's what I use too (speed 3 and 128 rows per pattern), but I can still tell that automations (which are based on pattern resolution) aren't as smooth as they could have been. Renoise has a long way to go, but it's still great for non-traditional musicians who program music note by note.

I tried EnergyXT but couldn't get it to work properly either.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:42 pm

indstr wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGK-EzEa45U

\m/

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:21 pm

zinger wrote:I can still tell that automations (which are based on pattern resolution) aren't as smooth as they could have been.

As of version 1.8.0, automations are now based on ticks instead of lines. That's 6 times as much resolution. Of course it's up to version 1.9.0 something now.

It might be just what you need

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:50 pm

Oh and I didn't even notice it, haha! Now they need to implement a feature for controlling pitch mod on VSTi's with Fxx.

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:35 am

Maybe eventually. I kind of randomly/accidentally found out that the volume column now works for vsti's, which quite surprised me. I guess they are coming up with some kind of bastardized version of using the vsti's with the columns now. Maybe effects will be next? Who knows
You can always render out a sample from a vsti to do effects on though

No_not_like_Quake · Post by **No_not_like_Quake** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:59 pm

LGB wrote:FL Studio.

Is what I use. I does what I want... for now. I suppose it's easy to use, I can't remember what it was like when I first used the software. I fucked around with Reason, forget which version, it was interesting.

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:21 pm

indstr wrote:You can always render out a sample from a vsti to do effects on though

lol. Well volume for VSTi's has always worked as far as I know. But I've only been using it for a few years.

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:27 pm

zinger wrote:
indstr wrote:You can always render out a sample from a vsti to do effects on though
lol. Well volume for VSTi's has always worked as far as I know. But I've only been using it for a few years.

It didn't when I first used it at version 1.5. I was really confused at first. WHY THE FUCK DOES THE VOLUME COLUMN NOT WORK