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bakaichi · Post by **bakaichi** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:21 am

Has anyone ever got mocked for a low score? The only reason I don't post many high scores is I feel I can do so much better.

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:22 am

Tigershark wrote;

1. I have a life;
2. I work;
3. I have children.

So I think we should have the mediocre/non-elisist high score thread.

I have all of the above too, but I find a bit of time to play here n'there.
Anyway, you're lucky that this forum isn't Japanese, most of our scores aren't too great compared with their rankings.

Maybe see you in the arcade next week

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:37 am

I wonder whether the point of my original post has been missed (probably because I didn't make it clear).

Let's get one thing straight: Not posting my scores has got nothing to do with a fear of me being ridiculed. Such an attitude would be very sad for the main reason that since I don't know any of you here why should I care what you say about me?

No, the main reason I posted originally was to do with competing. I love competing on everything I do but I also know there's no way I'm going to achieve the kind of scores I see posted. I therefore wondered whether there might be a "lower league" of scores that would allow people like myself to compete with.

Perhaps te answer lies with what some of the posters here have intimated - that everyone should post a score no matter how bad and then perhaps as lower scores got published more people would be encouraged to post their low scores.

TS.

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:50 am

Don't worry lol.
In few games i'm in top 3.
In most i'm on top 15-25.
I don't care.)
Just play for fun.

bakaichi · Post by **bakaichi** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:17 am

I promise to post my score on all those games I never got around playing, I don't have a life, i don't have wife and kids but you'll stil be able to compete.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:25 am

Tigershark wrote:I love competing on everything I do but I also know there's no way I'm going to achieve the kind of scores I see posted.

I'll be blunt.

First, are you really sure you actually love competing? Because "there is no way I'm going to achieve […]" is pretty much a loser's mentality. Competing is about overcoming your limitations in the first place, and you're doing exactly the opposite: assigning primary importance to your limitations and going from there. To be honest, I don't even know what are you competing for if you've already decided for yourself that your score will never go past a certain mark. Is it to reassure yourself you aren't the worst out there? Of course, that might work for you, but what fun it would be to compete with you for the others, then?

Second, you keep telling everyone your point has been missed, but has it? There have been quite irrefragable replies on the first page; I think you're just dissatisfied with the "right" answer to your problem.

gavin19 · Post by **gavin19** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:02 pm

Just pick a game you like, play it as best you can regardless of skill, free time etc and post your score with pride. I have posted scores where I have been first (Karous, briefly) and as low as 63rd (Espgaluda). In truth I was probably more proud of my Espgaluda score because I felt that it was a great score for me, despite the low place (and no 1cc!).

Ruldra · Post by **Ruldra** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:15 pm

You don't have to throw away your life to get good scores. Pick a game you enjoy playing and stick with it. As you progress in the game, naturally your scores will increase and you'll quickly climb up the ranks.

Of course, you'll need to read STs and practice more if you're going for the top ranks, but it's up to you how far on the table you want to go.

In short:

gavin19 wrote:Just pick a game you like, play it as best you can regardless of skill, free time etc and post your score with pride.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:10 pm

You don't need to "waste your life" to play a video game good. You just need to practice in what time you have. Believe me, it works.

There will always be those better than you, and there will always be those worse. Don't worry about it and just beat yourself; you're going to have no choice otherwise when you DO reach the top.

ED-057 · Post by **ED-057** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:30 am

Tigershark wrote:the main reason I posted originally was to do with competing. I love competing

Then if you have time, you should sign up for the next STGT

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:02 am

simple, this hobby is not for you if you cant mix playing with "having a life".

pretty sad that there are still people who try to demeanor others achievements by such stereotypical and incorrect assumptions...

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:10 pm

Oh dear.

I think I'll just go back to lurking.

I think there's no problem in saying I love competing but recognising that I cannot "compete" with the top high scores. Rather like a good club pro who knows the limits of his talent. There's no point aiming for the unobtainable since that will only make you miserable. And I don't need preaching at that everything is obtainable if you try. Bollocks. In life practice is no substitute for natural talent. And there's nothing wrong with that.

I accept that using the expression "I have a life" is perhaps emotive, but it was rather tongue in cheek. Once again, sorry if I've offended anyone.

TS.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:54 pm

I do sympathise with you. There are many STG's I'd love to compete in, but cannot, beacuse the tables are capped at 20, or even sometimes 10. When the competition is reduced to such a level, and completely ignores any idea of inclusiveness and tiers of performance, then I don't really see its validity as a source of fun. Imagine if every football team aside from those in the premiership had their respective leagues removed from them, the argument being that the aspiration to be in the premiership was enough? Quite

Ruldra · Post by **Ruldra** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:54 pm

Tigershark wrote:And I don't need preaching at that everything is obtainable if you try.

That's exactly what you need, actually.

Tigershark wrote:In life practice is no substitute for natural talent.

In fact, practice beats talent any day. This is just an excuse people tend to use when they don't want to try.

Also, no one here is natural talented. They've got their scores with practice and effort. If you don't bother even trying, well...there's nothing we can do.

Your mental attitude is just wrong.

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:57 pm

So by your reasoning you can be as good as a grand slam tennis player or premiership football player - all you need is practice? I think not.

Ruldra · Post by **Ruldra** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:09 pm

Granted, there are talented people out there. But they're very few and far between. Everyone else have to get their archievements through effort. And an untalented person can get very far in life if he really wants to.

But like I said before, it's very common of people to dismiss other people's archievements as natural talent. So they don't have to try hard.

gavin19 · Post by **gavin19** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:14 pm

Tigershark wrote:So by your reasoning you can be as good as a grand slam tennis player or premiership football player - all you need is practice? I think not.

Regardless, the shmup players on here aren't all the equivalent of Federer. Sure there are some great talents here, but competitive high scores are achievable with a little effort.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:29 pm

Tigershark wrote: I think I'll just go back to lurking.

please don't

one thing i'd point out regarding the uber players: one of the guys who got the world record for ketsui used to practice four hours a day every day, for over a year. so you're talking about 1000+ hours of practice. so it really is just a case of practice. but also, i still think you should just post your scores regardless, as it will encourage other people who don't have a lot of leisure time to post their scores too

so yeah: don't go disappearing

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:48 am

Thanks.

Well I'm going to see if I can get on the high score thread on Dragon Blaze since I like this game a lot. This is one tough mutha of a game becuse of the extra quick shots that the enemies blast out at you occassionally. Different speed bullets on screen at the same time normally do me in!!

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:02 pm

I wouldn't reccomend Dragon Blaze. It's fun, but it's also a complete mess of a game, with bullet patterns like pepper-dashed vomit on the floor of a public toilet. It also has no scoring system to speak of. If you stick with it though, it'll teach you a thing or two about bullet dodging, that's for sure.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:55 pm

Tigershark wrote:There's no point aiming for the unobtainable since that will only make you miserable. And I don't need preaching at that everything is obtainable if you try. Bollocks. In life practice is no substitute for natural talent. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Of course, this is coming from someone who made this topic because he wouldn't/couldn't (don't try to sugercoat it, be honest) try.

Nice to know you chose a Psikyo game, though. I actually haven't put much time into Dragon Blaze myself, unfortunately.

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:08 pm

Not sure the point you're making there but at a guess I'd say you're making a reference to the fact that I don't even try.

That would be wrong because of course I play these games pretty much exclusively now and so I'm always trying to better my performance (and hence score). I suppose my earlier reference was to games I enjoy playing the most where the scores are so high on this board, I really don't stand a chance.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:36 pm

And you made a topic about and began to whine, bringing up excuses that you pretty much dropped, it seems. But that's not the point. The point is that it's nice you finally decided to play something, and stop blaming people.

Now, less about a dead topic and more about Dragon Blaze.

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:55 pm

I haven't dropped them. They are still perfectly valid.

On to Dragon Blaze!

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:05 pm

Naah, on to IBARA in the arcade tonight.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:12 pm

mx7 wrote:Dragon Blaze ... has no scoring system to speak of.

Completely incorrect.

ts wrote:So by your reasoning you can be as good as a grand slam tennis player or premiership football player - all you need is practice? I think not.

Of course not, but you don't need much physical ability to play a videogame, aside from motor skills and the ability to see.

ts wrote:I think there's no problem in saying I love competing but recognising that I cannot "compete" with the top high scores.

You can, you just don't know how.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:23 pm

The prime fallacy here is constructing the argument that addresses limits. Why in the world would anyone want to contest the top scores from the get-go? Contest the lower end of the chart, and that'll be your beginner's league.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:42 pm

Tigershark wrote:So by your reasoning you can be as good as a grand slam tennis player or premiership football player - all you need is practice? I think not.

The thing here is that this Grand Slam Tennis player or the premiership football player have beeing practicing since he was a kid. I can see that "Natural Talent" also has something to do with this, but if those sportsman people didn't practice since they are very young, they will never get good enough to be pro, and their natural talent won't have any use.

Not to mention those are very physical activities, which you will be good only when you are young.. . as you get older, it's natural your skills on this kind of sport will also diminish... and that's not the case with videogames.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:23 pm

tigershark: i got a decent score in battle garegga after some practice. my advice would be to use the hidden ship Gain, as he has a very good bomb which you can get alot of points from (eg the "flamingoes" on stage 2). if you're interested, check out some pointers from these:

some basic scoring info
http://www.world-of-arcades.net/R8zing/ ... aregga.htm

in-depth strategy guide
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=351

super-play video
http://www.super-play.co.uk/index.php?superplay=319

youtube vids
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?u ... areLab&p=r

it's quite a complicated game, but once you get how certain things work, you'll be making steady progress with a bit of practice

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:53 pm

Thanks. I love this game. So far I can only get to level 4 on 1 credit.

Edit: I don't play this with Mame as I think the controls are poor. I have the Saturn original.

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