Worst old games by the biggest developers??

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:56 am

Maybe it should be clarified which Thunder Cross (US or JP) we're discussing. I've read of it, Trigon / Lightning Fighters and Akumajo Dracula / Haunted Castle's US versions being worse one way or another.

As for Thunder Cross JP, the only real knocks I could give it are two sleepy opening stages, and not becoming as intense as it could've. But Gradius II has a pretty mild second stage too*, and it's still an involving game despite not kicking you in the ass repeatedly.

There's also a non-Konami shooter called Thunder Cross, iirc.

*edited for blasphemy, I completely forgot Gradius II's first stage is fucking marvelous.

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:09 pm

Konami: Devil World/Dark Adventure

Because it could have been good.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:28 pm

CIT wins. Taito's Rastan Saga II sticks out in my mind as complete shit.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:35 pm

Vexorg wrote:Actually, if I had to pick a Data East game, I might go with Fighter's History, if only for the sheer ripoff factor of the whole thing.

And Mario is Missing wasn't actually produced by Nintendo, it was made by Software Toolworks.

And if we're adding to the list, how about SNK? The 1985-1995 era covers a good chunk of the early NeoGeo stuff (Magician Lord comes to mind for that.) Atari could go on the list as well, since they put out some pretty atrocious stuff during this period (I might go with Pit Fighter as a suggestion.)

Also for Sega, what about Time Traveler? Excessively gimmicky hardware searching for some semblance of a game.

Ah yes, Sega worked in conjunction with Rick Dyer Inc. (RDI) to make the 1991 laserdisc game that is known as Time Traveler. It was priced at 75 cents per credit -- making it expensive to play back in those days. The production that went in to making the FMV clips used in TT used the "green-screen" process (or better known as the blue-screen process) and further enhancements via CGI were added later...was very expensive to film, add CGI special EFX, edit in post production, and remaster it to laserdisc format. And not to mention building the special hologram projection system from the ground up. I can only recall of just one PCB upgrade kit for the Time Traveler cab called Holosiem released back in 1992 which was a mediocre 2-D fighter at best but presented with said holographic projection system...

And let's not forget Atari Games arcade brawler, Guardians in the Hood -- another poor Pit Fighter knock-off...

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

nimitz · Post by **nimitz** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:41 pm

Ok now that we have a good selection of games, what is the developer that put out the most or the worst games?

Also I don't think it's fair to count the virtual boy games or the super scope games as nintendo's worst games, because the real problem of these games was the hardware.

Konami = Martial Champion, Galactic Warriors
Capcom = 1943, Street Fighter
Taito = Rastan Saga 2
Nintendo = Urban Champion
Sega = Osomatsu-kun, Alex Kidd
Namco = Wonder Momo, Samurai Ghost

I would say that Nintendo and suprisingly Taito are the ones with the best "worst games".

as far as overall quality of the games (given the insane ammount of games they did put out) Konami and Capcom win it.

and Namco made some other bad games that wern't mentionned, I think they can be considered the worst here.

zaphod · Post by **zaphod** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:30 pm

Yeah, there are two versions of Tunder Cross. THe bad version, with the cheezy enemy that always kills you with a homing bullet and the bomb system, and the good one, with the multiple superweapons and adjustable options.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:08 pm

I didn't like Martial Champion, but Konami is guilty of even worse. Try Black Panther if you don't believe me.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:33 pm

I have, and Black Panther is in a genre I can enjoy somewhat.

btw is that its hero making cameos throughout Castlevania's first stage? :D

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:46 pm

nimitz wrote:Alex Kidd

Please specify that you mean either Hightech World or Enchanted Castle, because Lost Stars is merely mediocre, Shinobi World is quite enjoyable and Miracle World is a stroke of genius.

Btw, Hightech World wasn't an Alex Kidd game in Japan at all, they just changed the sprites for the west for unknown reasons. The game was originally called Anmoitsu Hime.

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:52 pm

Rastan Saga 2 is bad, but I think Dino Rex is worse.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:07 pm

Even though I am a Sega fanboy, I have to say that I think they put out more bad games than any of the other majors. Then again, they also put out more games than nearly anybody (arguably more good games as well), so the point may be moot.

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:30 pm

In the period that we're talking about I'd say Sega was far more hit than miss, its their newer output that is questionable.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:37 pm

I agree that their arcade output was generally of a very high calibur, but they did put out a LOT of crap on the SMS and to a lesser extent the Genesis.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:09 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:I have, and Black Panther is in a genre I can enjoy somewhat.

btw is that its hero making cameos throughout Castlevania's first stage?

But Black Panther is even worse than Rastan Saga 2!

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:50 pm

320x240 wrote:Konami: Devil World/Dark Adventure

Because it could have been good.

I have the flyer...yeah, it's no good, and could have been.

Like a lazy version of Gauntlet with wide-open spaces.

That said, I'm really, REALLY hating Trigon/Lightning Fighters right now. WTF, shit ain't dodgable, invisible shots, etc.