NES Shmups- Must haves?

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:50 pm

nem is right of course, what was I thinking. Let's pay pirates instead of people who run legitimate businesses to feed their families.

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:51 pm

The Coop wrote:
elfhentaifan wrote:check out Hyper Zone if you also like Star Fox and dont abandon 3D shmups
They don't fit into NES systems very well

truly, i missread that

ubersaurus · Post by **ubersaurus** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:50 pm

Ceph wrote:
Dragon1952 wrote: What else have I said that warrants my posts being edited? Get the facts straight first.
This:

Dragon1952 wrote:With what you just said about NES only, forget what I said and get the RePro RECCA for the NES!
You advise people to buy bootlegs, giving money to pirates.

And yes, the same goes for ubersaurus and Battlesmurf.

I mean, what's next? Will we advise everyone to go and buy bootleg Cave PCBs, because "the originals are just so damn expensive"?

I merely said that it's a hell of a lot cheaper to buy, and works on an NES without needing a convertor. For the sake of convenience, it works. I really don't see an NES reproduction of a Famicom game or prototype NES game as being a whole lot different from a ROM...just easier to play using the system's controller. Still illegal. Still "immoral" if you will. But if I'm willing to give another classic gaming aficionado a couple bucks and a cartridge to put a new rom chip in, I'm going to lose about as much sleep over that as I would digging around online to find the roms.

I'm not pointing out where one can get these, but it wouldn't be very proper if I'm not pointing out the option is there. The guys making these aren't any worse than the guys who make reproductions of prototype cartridges for Atari machines. Are those bootlegs as bad as say, Dreamcast boots of commercially available games, or neo geo ones from back in the day? I really can't put them in the same boat.

This being way off topic, I want to redirect this back to the subject at hand.

My friend is a big fan of Dragon Spirit. Although it's available on other platforms, there is an NES port. There's also some good ports of Defender 2 and Galaga if you're into the classic gaming.

Oh, and as a kid, I dug 1942 and Sky Shark a lot! Although 1942 has the most annoying musical loop ever, and Sky Shark is brutally hard.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:00 pm

Dragon1952 wrote:PC Engine Fan,

You are WRONG, I did NOT post pictures of what you said. My posted pictures show totally legal cartridges so please correct your post.
I do NOT own any illegal game merchandise and I never will regardless of how much I may want a game that is difficult to obtain. Someone else posted those pictures but it was NOT me!

I edited the offending sentence in my earlier post. My apologies for that...

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:44 pm

Well- sorry if I stirred anything up. Dragon pointed out that he was offended by my post- and I did right by him as I respect what he thinks. I have already taken note of those set of forum rules mentioned by BM- and I'm okay with that too and have long since changed my posts to reflect that.
Sorry I stirred any stuff up. It's just hard as crap to suggest to someone one of the best shooters ever made- and not really sure how to suggest they play it!

All that being said- BACK TO THE TOPIC- Abadox is a winner in my book as well. Very cheap to get ahold of- and just an all around neat title. Also- does Solar Jetman count?

bostongeorge · Post by **bostongeorge** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:27 am

Thanks for all the replies. I'm glad my first thread on these forums garnered some attention.

Yeah I just played Abadox for the first time today. Great game. Same with Life Force. I haven't tried Guardian Legend yet, and Image Fight is OK but I know that there are much better versions of it to play so I don't think it will put in too much time with the NES version. It's nice to have it for collection purposes though, considering it was only $0.99.

My main sources of SHMUP gaming are Dreamcast, PS2 and MAME and those will still receive most of my effort as far as building the collections, but my small but ever growing NES collection (SHMUP and other) will hold a special place in my heart as I'm sure it will for many of my generation (I'm 25) whose first real gaming was done on the NES.

Next I really want to get a JP PCE/CD, and I plan on turning to this forum for help when the time comes to figure out what I need to get/games/etc. I owned a US TG-16 when it was new but really don't know much else about NEC consoles.

Thanks again!

P.S. Rob's thread that was linked on the first page of his Top 40 NES SHMUP Countdown was great entertainment.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:33 am

Abadox looks cool, I'll check it out sometime.

hmm...Air Fortress? :P

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:36 am

What's the name of that Namco Air Fortress-alike where the first boss is a giant monster named Kissy?

EDIY: NM, it's called Baraduke.

EDIY: Apparently Kissy is actually the main character?

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:24 am

Baraduke also has a sequel in MAME.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:49 am

Ed Oscuro wrote:Baraduke also has a sequel in MAME.

Wow, that game is miserable. They really fucked up a good thing.

Mortificator · Post by **Mortificator** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:39 pm

'duke 1: Awesomely awesome.
'duke 2: Hand me a bag. I would vomit.

Has anyone here managed to clear Baraduke, by the way? The furthest I've made it was near the beginning of the fourth set of stages.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:06 pm

cannot believe anyone hasent mentioned section-z

that game is awesome (as opposed to the arcade version which sucks ass), cheap as hell too, get it more!!

actually i only have three shmups for my NES, recca, salamander and section-z... all a man needs.

Post by **Ghegs** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:46 pm

sven666 wrote:cannot believe anyone hasent mentioned section-z that game is awesome (as opposed to the arcade version which sucks ass), cheap as hell too, get it more!!

This is a huge lie right here.

Not that there's anything wrong with the NES version.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:34 am

Ghegs wrote:
sven666 wrote:cannot believe anyone hasent mentioned section-z that game is awesome (as opposed to the arcade version which sucks ass), cheap as hell too, get it more!!
This is a huge lie right here.

Not that there's anything wrong with the NES version.

just my opinion, maybe its because i played and loved the NES version first and expected something similar from the arcade version, preference aside im sure we can both agree theyre nothing alike.

Post by **Ghegs** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:50 am

sven666 wrote:just my opinion, maybe its because i played and loved the NES version first and expected something similar from the arcade version, preference aside im sure we can both agree theyre nothing alike.

Yeah, of course.

I think I played the arcade version first...though even that didn't happen that many years ago.

I just love how in the arcade version the stages seamlessly connect to each other. Makes the game world feel whole.

Rob79 · Post by **Rob79** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:16 pm

These are my NES Shooters I have.. are they any good ?

Post by **Shatterhand** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:35 pm

These are my NES Shooters I have.. are they any good ?

Haven't you played them? You should know if they are good or not

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:46 pm

Wow, Twin Eagle II got a release on the NES.

Sky Shark sucks, but I like any Tim Follin remix, so...I'll stick to the SID, heh.

The others? Looks decent enough if you're stuck with the NES, although anything with the "Thunderbirds" name on it is likely to be questionable.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:54 pm

Thunderbirds sucks badly.

The C64 game was horrible too.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:01 pm

The GBA game also isn't great, though it mixes and matches genres

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:31 pm

Shatterhand wrote: Haven't you played them? You should know if they are good or not

dave4shmups syndrome. "What does the options in the option menu do?"

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:41 am

Rob wrote:
Shatterhand wrote: Haven't you played them? You should know if they are good or not
dave4shmups syndrome. "What does the options in the option menu do?"

Good, now there's an official name for it

zero.otaku · Post by **zero.otaku** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:21 am

Burai Fighter!

Also I agree with Abadox and Dragon Spirit. Thanks to Sonic R for exposing me to those.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:55 pm

zero.otaku wrote:Burai Fighter!

Also I agree with Abadox and Dragon Spirit. Thanks to Sonic R for exposing me to those.

NES is games I grew up with and hold a special place to my heart…

Good NES shooting games:

Recca (Japan)

The Guardian Legend (enter TGL in password screen to get shooting only)
Gun-Nac
Zanac
Dragon Spirit
Abadox
Burai Fighter
SCAT
Gradius
Gradius II (Japan)
Life Force
Crisis Force (Japan)
Over Horizon (Japan)
Legendary Wings
Gun.Smoke

Average NES shooting games
•I like these games regardless

Mag Max
Sky Shark
Star Soldier
Star Force
Kings Knight
Alpha Mission
Sky Kid
Air Fortress (borderline)

Enjoy shooting action on your Nintendo Entertainment System… I always do

EDIT:
I forget Isolated Warrior
‡ Thank You to zero.otaku for letting me finally play this game!

Dragon1952 · Post by **Dragon1952** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:41 pm

Sonic R,

I agree with your listing except for Star Soldier and also Star Force. Both are excellent and intense shooters that have influenced other shooters later! I also think that SDF belongs in there as well... Otherwise you are indeed wise.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:50 pm

Isolated Warrior is one of the greatest iso-shooters in the history of the world. Period.

Buria Fighter is excellent... has anyone played the GB version (and liked it)?

Emperor Fossil · Post by **Emperor Fossil** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:18 am

Terra Cresta on the NES is a nicely done conversion. Probably a little different in places, but a great game in its own right.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:28 am

Ed Oscuro wrote: Good, now there's an official name for it

What would be good is a cure.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:28 am

LGB wrote:Isolated Warrior is one of the greatest iso-shooters in the history of the world. Period.

Buria Fighter is excellent... has anyone played the GB version (and liked it)?

I did:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=11656
szycag too:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 927#259927

Post by **system11** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:29 pm

LGB wrote:Just like when you post links to emulators and talk about emulators, you're advertising roms. Even if there are no roms at any links. Same situation. No matter the loophole.

No ISO trading, ROM begging, bootlegging, modchip sales, copyright infringement, or assistance with any of these – for example warez FTP site details. It doesn't matter what is legal in your country, there are no exceptions to this rule – although discussion of emulation is not a problem.

Note the last few words. It's like that for a reason, there are 80+ games I can play in MAME legally, for example. We make no assumptions as to what people are or are not legally allowed to emulate. To be sure, the VAST majority of people playing MAME games are doing so 'illegally', but this is not our problem - as long as the forum is not considered a source or route to obtaining them.

Discussing the existence of NES bootleg carts is also perfectly acceptable, as long as there are no links to ones for sale, suggestion that people /should/ obtain them, or attempts to sell them here. For example a film magazine could write an article about how to spot a pirated DVD. It's always been a difficult one to draw the line on, because some bootleg items are of technical or historical interest. I might change the last line to 'discussion of emulation or bootleg hardware is not a problem'.

Please try to work with us on this sensibly, it's difficult due to the nature of this hobby, to totally banish anything questionable, but also be a useful place for discussion.