360 or ps3

[Spazicon]

I played both versions myself, and the load times are slightly shorty. I.e. no matter how many Penny Arcade comics you post, still doesn't change the facts, which is both versions are identical, sans loading times.


Anymore funneh web comics you wanna post in attempt to get some kind of point across?

[jp]

He already made my point if you read the actual text.

A 20+ minute install time which grants slightly faster load times versus NO install time.

And there isn't much "loading" in the game to begin with.

So... you're ridiculous.

[Skykid]

LOL, the hell? The Fanboy is strong in you, that is very apparent from this post.

Oo - hold tight. Don't you dare call me a Microsoft fanboy. The question was 'which one is better?' - I simply answered that question. By laying down truisms about the shortcomings of Sony's ailing machine I pledged allegiance to no-one. Don't confuse yourself.

I laughed at this one.

Laugh it up - a glossy black breeze-block the size of a paving slab, modelled loosely on Darth Vaders head lacks finesse and charm. The aesthetic I was referring to was the ergonomic design of the console itself. Which is balls.

So, because the controller doesn't vibrate, it's not a good controller, despite it being wireless, and having tilt functionality, which the 360 controller lacks? Also, in case you didn't know, Dual Shock 3 is out in Japan, and on the way to states. I.E. Rumble + Tilt.

Christ, this Mickey Mouse shit really tries my patience. Re-read the post properly. The PS1 dual shock controller was great when it came out nearly fifteen years ago. Nintendo have since demonstrated the absolute necessity of creating innovative controllers around which innovative games can then be made. Hence if you fail to improve the controller beyond a certain state, developers have far less to work with despite the ever increasing power of the console. For this alone, Sony should hang their heads in shame: at the top of the gaming world, but too pussy to get into some serious R&D and come up with a new fucking pad in fifteen years is a poor show.
Make sense now?

Huh?

Sarcasm, highest form of wit.

Could you elaborate with this one? I have no clue what you're talking about with this one.

It's called a Dictionary. You usually can find one in a bookstore or a library. It'll help you out no end.

Again, huh? I doubt anyone has had that much of a problem with their Network connection, they had to call in for help, when there's superior alternatives, that are free (such as simply going online?). And lol, are you justifying Live's service over the PSN based on FEES, when PSN is free, and Live isn't?

No, I'm justifying the Xbox live service because it's far more accomplished than that of the PS3, which, even if you had any games to play on it, stinks a little.
Are we starting to form a picture now?

Don't know what you call decent, but my online gaming is fine.

And then you woke up.

My model runs just about every PS2 game from the library flawless

Which is at massive odds to Sony's official PS3 compatibility list. You should count yourself lucky you have a model that plays last gen games, newcomers to the scene are seriously suffering on this front. But I don't need to explain this further: its fact.

IIRC, people don't spend half a grand on a new system, so they could pop their old games in it.

Considering there aren't any PS3 games to play, I don't think they've got much choice.

Besides, you've made an utterly ridiculous statement: Backward compatibility is a far larger selling point than you're giving it credit for, especially with a catalogue as large and distinguished as the PS2's.

Don't try to flame me: I'll ruin you, and I'm willing to put that to the vote - especially as you've painted yourself as wholly silly for turning a blind-eye to the obvious issues with Sony's current venture for the sake of console allegiance. That's like, sooo 1997.

I don't mean to disappoint anyone at this juncture by saying that I have no love for Microsoft, and never have. But I'm unwilling to cut a form of pure ignorance when it comes to the gapingly clear shortfalls of Sony's new system. Simply, there's fuck all reason to buy one at this point, and that's the point of this thread.

If it makes Spazicon feel any better, I bought a PS3 when I visited Hong Kong last year, sold it within a month for a tidy profit, and never looked back.

Should Sony get back into the race (although it's a fair way off at the moment) and the PS3 drops in price, picks up its online performance and wins back its third-party support, I wouldn't be so ridiculous as to pretend I wouldn't consider re-purchasing one in the future.

Read that signature.

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

One 20 minute install is better than lots of extra 2-3 seconds in my load times. In DMC3, something that really got into my nerves was the wait 5 seconds > cinema > wait another 5 seconds > back to game. It makes the experience much more annoying if you're going to be dying a lot. There's nothing you can do in the extra three seconds, but you can go make a sandwich in 20, eat it and enjoy a smoother game.

Edit: the 5GB it takes is kinda crazy, tho.

[Skykid]

And there isn't much "loading" in the game to begin with.

You're absolutely right - the loading time is so negligible its not even an issue.

These arguments are totally ludicrous - forget nit-picking over one second difference in loading time in DMC4, it does nothing to brighten the current bleak affair that is the console itself.

[themachinist]

Goddamn, this is simple: buy a 360.
Great, and forgoe any opportunity to mod your PSP with custom firmware and potentially not play Progear on the train because you've instead gone for some really rubbish connectivity features to your PS3. No thanks.

I currently run CFW but you never know, Sony might come up with some cool stuff. It really depends on what's important to you. Not everyone cares for emulation or is looking to play progear on the train.

Anyway to the OP, what did you end up purchasing?

[Spazicon]

He already made my point if you read the actual text.

A 20+ minute install time which grants slightly faster load times versus NO install time.

And there isn't much "loading" in the game to begin with.

So... you're ridiculous.

Lord forbid 30 minutes out your day of non stop gaming is taken from you. That would be a damn shame. Really.

Install time woes are mute, since it happens -once- in the entire tenure of the PS3 DMC4 version.

Oo - hold tight. Don't you dare call me a Microsoft fanboy.

I call it like I see it.

By laying down truisms about the shortcomings of Sony's ailing machine...

You mean trivial nonsense, like how you don't like the console's design. Well played.

The system could be shaped like a Lamp Shade, and if it was the more appealing console, then I would buy it. Simply because I could give two-shits how it looked. Utter nonsense.

Laugh it up - a glossy black breeze-block the size of a paving slab, modelled loosely on Darth Vaders head lacks finesse and charm. The aesthetic I was referring to was the ergonomic design of the console itself. Which is balls.

Word. Just in case you weren't aware, alot of people rather like it, which in the end means jack shit, because how the console looks is the last thing I consider when purchasing a game console.

Christ, this Mickey Mouse shit really tries my patience. Re-read the post properly. The PS1 dual shock controller was great when it came out nearly fifteen years ago. Nintendo have since demonstrated the absolute necessity of creating innovative controllers around which innovative games can then be made. Hence if you fail to improve the controller beyond a certain state, developers have far less to work with despite the ever increasing power of the console. For this alone, Sony should hang their heads in shame: at the top of the gaming world, but too pussy to get into some serious R&D and come up with a new fucking pad in fifteen years is a poor show.
Make sense now?

Hilarious. You're talking out your ass on this one. The PS3 can do anything the 360 controller can do, plus some. Your claim is that the controller in itself is "behind the times", yet the extent of the 360's controller is less than the PS3's. The 360's 1st Analog stick is ABOVE the control pad. Fucking high tech.

Good lord.

It's called a Dictionary. You usually can find one in a bookstore or a library. It'll help you out no end.

Awesome, now, back on the fucking subject at hand.

No, I'm justifying the Xbox live service because it's far more accomplished than that of the PS3, which, even if you had any games to play on it, stinks a little.
Are we starting to form a picture now?

That's enlightening. Now answer the question, perhaps? You seem to have a habit of not answering the questions. You're so great.

And then you woke up.

Oooo. You must have thought long and hard about that one. You didn't even address the point. You instead resorted to a quip about not sleeping, commonly heard in grade school. Bravo.

Which is at massive odds to Sony's official PS3 compatibility list. You should count yourself lucky you have a model that plays last gen games, newcomers to the scene are seriously suffering on this front. But I don't need to explain this further: its fact.

Again, buying a new console this gen with the intent on playing the passed gens games library is the silliest shit I've ever heard of, especially when the current gen model, is still available at all major retailers, for a fraction of the price, brand spanking new.

You attempting to tell me otherwise is too rofflecopter funny. You are the master of persuasion.

Considering there aren't any PS3 games to play, I don't think they've got much choice.

Haha, "PS3 has no games". If it was true, I would have to agree with you. too bad logic dictates otherwise.

But wait, this is where it gets really good.

Don't try to flame me: I'll ruin you, and I'm willing to put that to the vote - especially as you've painted yourself as wholly silly for turning a blind-eye to the obvious issues with Sony's current venture for the sake of console allegiance. That's like, sooo 1997.

OH LAWD. What is I gon' do? Some random jack claims he'll ruin me. "The guy has a different opinion than mine. *tears*" <-- You.

I don't mean to disappoint anyone at this juncture by saying that I have no love for Microsoft, and never have. But I'm unwilling to cut a form of pure ignorance when it comes to the gapingly clear shortfalls of Sony's new system. Simply, there's fuck all reason to buy one at this point, and that's the point of this thread.

It's obvious you've formed some sort of uneducated opinion on the PS3, based on hearsay and lies. Attempting to use it as why the "360 is superior".

If you'd payed attention, you would know I own both of the consoles. Simply put, I'm all for having favorites. It's only natural. But let's not state utter lies and nonsense for why we think a console is superior. You only make yourself look ridiculous, which you've now exacerbated with your attempts at flaming, avoiding most of the subject at hand, and then what, threaten my "online career" or something, which only served n creating lol's in my home, right now. All in a days work, eh?

If it makes Spazicon feel any better, I bought a PS3 when I visited Hong Kong last year, sold it within a month for a tidy profit, and never looked back.

How would that make me happy again? You know what would make me happy? Actually addressing most of the points I brought up. That would be fucking awesome. Also, use some common sense, and factual statements as you do it. That would be grand.

Should Sony get back into the race (although it's a fair way off at the moment) and the PS3 drops in price, picks up its online performance and wins back its third-party support...

What are you, stuck in 2006? PS3's are selling all over the world, the PS3's price has dropped considerably, several times in the past year, it's online performance HAS picked up, and it's third-party support is looking rather great for this year. I nominate you the least informed gamer on this message board. Congrats.

[szycag]

Taking this into consideration I wouldn't buy anything they sell. How can anyone in their right mind be a fanboy of a company like that and hope for them to dominate yet another sector? Call me crazy, but I don't want to live on Planet Microsoft.

It's still all about the games for me, I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, but I've enjoyed my time so far with the system. Refusing to support their system because of their business practices is a weird stance I didn't expect to see from you Ceph. There are only two HD gaming consoles, they're both by companies with their fair share of complete asshole moves. For Sony I could throw the Rootkit fiasco out there. Just more silly stuff to put in the way of "Can I play games that I like on it?"

[Erinu]

Word, because he specifically stated how it was modded. Good call there, Chief. Less assumptions would do you a world of good. "Uh, wow. Just wow. Holy hell." .

Except he didn't ask "how is it modded?". He asked if it was used for backups or whether it makes the console region free. To which I replied with "modding the console is for piracy purposes only". It doesn't kill the region restrictions. Fucking read.

First and formost, the man said he wants to play his Japanese games. What major online games you know that didn't make it stateside, number 1.

2, if it has Online Multiplayer, chances are it has offline multiplayer options, aswell. And again, name a major 360 release not released in the states with a must have Online Multiplayer Option.

3, if you let some crazy urge to upload your damn scores to Live, hinder you from actually playing the imported title, then you have fucking problems.

Seriously, you're making alot out of absolutely nothing. Congrats.

I don't think you have a point. Buying a 360 and not using Xbox Live is a waste. That's all there is to it. Modding it and having the possibility of being banned, while simultaneously killing any chance of getting the console replaced if it dies, is stupid and a waste of money.

[Spazicon]

Except he didn't ask "how is it modded?". He asked if it was used for backups or whether it makes the console region free. To which I replied with "modding the console is for piracy purposes only". It doesn't kill the region restrictions.

Maybe you should have expressed that the first time, instead of sounding like some anti-pirate zealot.

In any event, you're still wrong, as there's several ways to mod your system, one without even using a chip, in order to play imports on the 360.

I don't think you have a point. Buying a 360 and not using Xbox Live is a waste. That's all there is to it. Modding it and having the possibility of being banned, while simultaneously killing any chance of getting the console replaced if it dies, is stupid and a waste of money.

Did you even understand what I said? When you aren't playing imports, turn off the mod, as any mod with a chip should have a switch that allows to your turn it off. Boom, internet gaming. And mods that don't use chips, are safe from the get go.

Fucking read.

Take your own advice.

[yojo!]

I don't think you have a point. Buying a 360 and not using Xbox Live is a waste. That's all there is to it. Modding it and having the possibility of being banned, while simultaneously killing any chance of getting the console replaced if it dies, is stupid and a waste of money.

Hello,

Sorry if I was unclear; my question was: Is there a way to mod an X360 to get it region free. I thought that modchip (which induces being able to play backup) was the only way to make it region free to play my import games. I don't want to play backup, just to be able to have one system to play both legit US and JP releases. As far as going on line with it; I don't really care; I just want to play raiden IV and Raiden Fighter Aces. Online is a plus but I can live w/o it.

[Erinu]

Maybe you should have expressed that the first time, instead of sounding like some anti-pirate zealot.

I did express this the first time. Where did he say "how" exactly? Stop making shit up.

In any event, you're still wrong, as there's several ways to mod your system, one without even using a chip, in order to play imports on the 360.

No, there's no way to play imports, so I'm not wrong. Flashing the drive (your "one without even using a chip") doesn't allow you to play imported games. Most people recommend flashing one 360 and keeping another legit. This still doesn't let you play imported games though. You don't have a fucking CLUE what you're talking about.

Did you even understand what I said? When you aren't playing imports, turn off the mod, as any mod with a chip should have a switch that allows to your turn it off. Boom, internet gaming. And mods that don't use chips, are safe from the get go.

What kind of fantasy land do you live in with your fantasy 360 modchips? Do you realize that having a modchip in your drive would mean it's impossible to return it if it RRoD's, making the purchase a complete waste?

And you do realize that once Microsoft detect such a chip, having it on or off won't matter, right?

Take your own advice.

How about you just take mine.

Sorry if I was unclear; my question was: Is there a way to mod an X360 to get it region free. I thought that modchip (which induces being able to play backup) was the only way to make it region free to play my import games. I don't want to play backup, just to be able to have one system to play both legit US and JP releases. As far as going on line with it; I don't really care; I just want to play raiden IV and Raiden Fighter Aces. Online is a plus but I can live w/o it.

No, there is not.

[jp]

Speaking of reliability:
"Microsoft is planning to unveil two new motherboards in a bid to end the reliability issues its Xbox 360 console has suffered.

According to 8bitjoystick, which has interviewed an Xbox 360 manufacturing insider, Microsoft is developing the Valhalla and Opus motherboards.

The Opus will not be used in newly manufactured Xbox 360 consoles, but will instead be used to repair Microsoft's stockpile of faulty Falcon motherboards. The unit adds a 65nm CPU to the Falcon and only consumers who have returned a faulty machine to Microsoft are likely to ever own one of these.

The Valhalla, however, will represent a major advance in the Xbox 360 and has been designed to end Microsoft's current woes. The motherboard will incorporate both a 65nm CPU and a 65nm GPU, reducing heat and power consumption and resulting in a more reliable and far quieter console.

Valhalla motherboards will also be 'significantly cheaper to produce', claims trade paper MCV, opening the way for a future Xbox 360 price cut."
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a895 ... -woes.html

So even if you get the RRoD, they'll give you a new motherboard now so that you don't have the same problem again. Good stuff.

[Ed Oscuro]

Sorry if I was unclear; my question was: Is there a way to mod an X360 to get it region free.

Don't mind Erinu. He's probably angry that those wicked Nips won't ship him a 360, won't mod his conscience, and salves the wounds of conscience by taking it out on everybody else.

At least I think that is what's going on.

IRT DMC3 installation on PS3: That's a great idea. No need to listen to the disc drive whine, for one. Guess they had to find the silver lining to the "disc bound to one machine" idea in the end. Being a PC gamer, I've had to put up with Steam and of course regular installs; 30 minutes is nothing.

[Erinu]

Don't mind Erinu. He's probably angry that those wicked Nips won't ship him a 360, won't mod his conscience, and salves the wounds of conscience by taking it out on everybody else.

At least I think that is what's going on.

You think wrong.

I can't even state facts without someone coming in, spouting generalizations. Cuuuute.

[Stormwatch]

Speaking of reliability:
"Microsoft is planning to unveil two new motherboards in a bid to end the reliability issues its Xbox 360 console has suffered.

Wait... I thought the previous board change was supposed to fix that.

[Ceph]

Hahahahaha!

[Strider77]

360 hands down so far.... it's all about games and the 360 just has more.

most (I said MOST) good games are out on both, then the 360 just has more.



360

Gears
Lost Odyssey
Mass Effect
Bioshock
Halo 3
Devil May Cry 4
Sega Rally Revo
Ninja Gaiden 2
Gears of War 2
Dark Sector
Omega 5
Ikaruga
Rez HD
Lost Planet
VF 5 with online
Raiden fighters

are a just some of em.....

PS3 has

MGS 4
God of War 3
FF 13

now some of the 360 ones I mentioned are on PS3 also, but really the PS3 doesn't have as much, the 360 has more right now.

I own both and my 360 gets way more play time. I had to have a PS3 for MGS4 and God of War 3 but so far those are the onlt must have exclusives on PS3 right now for me.

as far as online, xbox live may not be free, but it's cheap and is a hell of alot better than sony's get up right.

the future could mix things up as always though.

and honestly..... the controller debate. lame... I use both on a daily basis and find both quite usable. plus even if you hate one, there is always a way to find a better controller of get one working on the other most the time.... I own ALOT of consoles and can use all the controllers. except for 2D fighters.... the only thing that works for me is a saturn pad with 6 face buttons.

[Ceph]

Looking ahead, it doesn't look too good for 360:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/15/play ... ole-sales/

[Strider77]

well it doesn't look to good for any of them compared to the DS.... they are all quite healthy now. games will come on 360 with no problem. I am hardly fearful that all of a sudden games will stop coming and the 360 will die anytime soon, if they do...... I have a PS3 and Wii also.

I don't think anyone here is the kind of person who let's sales number make their choices..... otherwise this would be GTA or madden dot com

[Erinu]

Looking ahead, it doesn't look too good for 360:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/15/play ... ole-sales/

Why did this occur? Because HD DVD is now dead?

[Skykid]

Spazicon, is this you?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=25LceCPO1ys


It's clear that although I'm making some sense to everyone else here, I'm not getting through to you.
I've only answered your questions, I've not strayed from the point. It's not that you're not reading, it's just you have a stubborn love for your PS3 that means you refuse to listen.

I've gone to lengths to discuss what I believe are the reasons for the market position of your beloved console, current rank: last.

It takes real short-sightedness to come to the conclusion that elements such as the ergonomic design, controller, backwards compatibility, efficient live services and thriving games catalogues are 'trivial' aspects to the success of a new machine.

Don't be so foolish, there are far too many educated people reading what you're shovelling.

I did state I would consider buying one should it become a viable purchase. Its not your job to come on here and defend it to the death - you've only got to explain what currently puts it ABOVE the Xbox 360 in terms of sheer quality. Once you've done that, this thread is over and you win.

Rather, you spend most of your time missing the point of my posts, and foccusing your energies on attacking what I've written, but failing to explain exactly what I've said thats incorrect. It's all well and good to say you have a perfect PSN live service, but you'll find plenty of other PS3 owners who would disagree. That current service is far from perfect, and needs some sharp overhauls to bring it up to speed with at a minimum, the functionality of XBL.

Unwittingly, by showing very little wisdom or humility based around the facts regarding the consoles slow sales performance, you are indeed the biggest Fanboy on this thread.

Do you think if Nintendo added rumble and tilt features to their NES pad that it would suffice when playing Twilight Princess or the new Metroid?
How have you managed to miss the point, when I've gone to lengths to explain this twice. We all appreciate the PS3 controller is functional, but its lacking in creativity often required when pushing a new system to market. The unveiling of the controller is a big aspect of how people will view the system - when was the last time you can remember any other console manufacturer bringing the same design to the table fifteen years running?

Ultimately, I'm not here to change your mind. Hopefully I've helped the author of this thread make a decision regarding which console is currently the more worthy purchase.

You can sing about how great the live service is, how wonderful the controller is and what a fantastic catalogue of games there is until the cows come home - but none of the above is true. As it stands, the PS3 is just...ok. There's a lot of work to be done.

On a personal note, I do have to remind myself at times like these that everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how wrong they are.

And if it looked like a lampshade, that'd be a damn sight improvement.

[Skykid]

The 360's 1st Analog stick is ABOVE the control pad. Fucking high tech.

Good lord.

HA HA! I missed that! Did anyone else read that?

Spazicon bud, you do have a sense of humour!

[Spazicon]

snip

As usual, you don't reply to the points raised, and do an around about way of responding. It's quite clever, actually. In usual fashion, I'll respond to each invalid point you continue to spew with each long winded, nonsense post you make.

It takes real short-sightedness to come to the conclusion that elements such as the ergonomic design, controller, backwards compatibility, efficient live services and thriving games catalogues are 'trivial' aspects to the success of a new machine.

Wait, a console's design is not trivial? Placing the word "ergonomic" in front of it, doesn't make it less trivial, but that was indeed a clever tactic in trying to make the claim seem more meaningful. I'll give you that

Controller - Again, there's not a single feature in the 360 controller, the PS3 controller lacks. And the PS3 controller has MORE features, than the 360 one.

Changing the shape/design of a controller =/= Innovation, or whatever you're trying to do with that one. I.E., if the Original Xbox's controller didn't suck shit, it would have stayed the same aswell. It didn't, they redesigned it, and moved out the Controller - S. And that same mold is now being used for the 360.

Ha.

How have you managed to miss the point, when I've gone to lengths to explain this twice. We all appreciate the PS3 controller is functional, but its lacking in creativity often required when pushing a new system to market. The unveiling of the controller is a big aspect of how people will view the system -

If you were defending lets say, the Wii's controller, this will be justified. But when you're whole point is how one system's faults are it's lack of controller innovations/changes, and your system's controller doesn't utilizes anything drastically different from the PS3's, you argument crumbles.

when was the last time you can remember any other console manufacturer bringing the same design to the table fifteen years running?

Ask yourself this, whose dominated the console gaming market in those 15 years? LOL


Backwards Compatibility is not the big deal you're trying to make it out to be. You even went as far as to say it hurts the PS3 MORE because of it's large game library. If that's the case, what does it mean for the 360? The original Xbox's library is not even a third of the PS2's game library. So, is it gonna fall flat on it's face because of that? The answers no, because people don't buy 360's to play Xbox games on it. Backwards compatibility is a luxury. A bonus. Not a necessity.

Stop the nonsense. You fault one console for having versions, and variations of the hardware without specific features, and then overlook it for the rival companies consoles? How about those HDD-less 360's? You know, because people HAVE to buy those models, correct? Well that sucks for them, because you really need one of those to get the full experience out of your 360, right? Haha.

Ultimately, I'm not here to change your mind. Hopefully I've helped the author of this thread make a decision regarding which console is currently the more worthy purchase.

Good point, because when making a hefty purchase such as one of these next-gen consoles, you have to make sure you get the console that gets the most bang for your buck, in the here and now, and in the longterm.

The PS3 is looking good in both category's.

You can sing about how great the live service is, how wonderful the controller is and what a fantastic catalogue of games there is until the cows come home - but none of the above is true. As it stands, the PS3 is just...ok. There's a lot of work to be done.

Let's talk about work needing to be done. Like the 360's bricking epidemic. Or the lack of exclusive titles on the horizon. Or the heating problems, just to name a few. The smaller disc format, which effects game development, and space storage on their side. Let's talk about that, shall we?

On a personal note, I do have to remind myself at times like these that everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how wrong they are.

I keep having to tell myself that very same thing, on a daily basis.

HA HA! I missed that! Did anyone else read that? Laughing

Spazicon bud, you do have a sense of humour!

Word.

[Kron]

My third 360 died 2 weeks ago, I'd have to say get a PS3 as the 360 is just an infuriating experience if it goes wrong for you.

[Skykid]

As usual, you don't reply to the points raised

I'm the one raising the points dumbass, you're just ignoring them and claiming that your grasp of English isn't developed enough to catch the gist.

Spazicon, you live up to your name.

If my words are too big for you I can think of plenty of smaller ones that'd suit you better.

[Erinu]

So Spazicon, mind telling us more about your 360 modchips which give region free capabilities with on/off switches?

You know, the ones that you claim exist?

[Skykid]

So Spazicon, mind telling us more about your 360 modchips which give region free capabilities with on/off switches?

You know, the ones that you claim exist?

It's a load of baloney Erinu. This guy actually expects us to believe after all the ignorant fanboy crap he's been spewing, after proving himself as the Chadwarden of the Shmups forum, that he actually owns a 360 and therefore is able to give an informed opinion on the benefits of each console.

That in itself is an outright lie. There's nothing in his tone and argument to suggest, as I once did, that he owns both machines.

Anyway fuck this next gen shit, I'm going back to ESPrade on the supergun.

[Stormwatch]

Controller - Again, there's not a single feature in the 360 controller, the PS3 controller lacks.

The feature of NOT SUCKING.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Hi. Been lurking on this forum for ages, but the system war in this thread finally prompted me to join.

So... Where to start...

While I was never a fan of Microsoft(and I don`t see how can anyone be) I imported a 360 as soon as it came out in the US. In fact, I think I was among the first 100 Xbox 360 owners here in Russia. The thing RRoD`d on me after 5 weeks. I decided to give the system another chance and rebought it a month later... My second Xbox 360 died after two months. I ended up wasting the equivalent of $1,300 - all for nothing. While I knew that the PS3 inevitably would be a much better console, I bought the Xbox 360 to satisfy my next-gen needs until the PS3 came out and it didn`t manage even that. The fucking thing was obviously not made to last. And for that alone MS should exit the videogame business. Not to mention that even during those brief three months that I owned an Xbox 360, I still loathed it. The thing was ugly, noisy and lacked the elegancy of Japanese systems.

A PS3 I imported about a month after its Japanese launch and it still works like a charm and is extremely quiet. It`s also easily the best Sony console to date and thus far I`ve a had a lot more fun with it than I did with the PSX and PS2 in their first respective years.

A few other things I`d like to comment on:

Considering there aren't any PS3 games to play, I don't think they've got much choice.

Oh, really? Donn`t you mean Xbox 360 by any chance? Because quite frankly, everytime someone brings up Xbox 360`s "superb" line-up of exclusives, I wonder if these people even have a PC. I don`t know about the state of PC gaming in the US but in Europe it`s still fucking huge(piracy or not). Most people I know played Bioshock, Gears of War and Lost Planet on PC and haven`t even heard what the fuck an Xbox 360 is.

Anyways, let`s take a look at some of Xbox 360`s much hyped games:

Gears of War - best on PC(but still sucks just as much as it did on the 360)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - best on PC and PS3
Lost Planet - best on PC, soon to be on the PS3
Viva Pinata - also on PC
Call of Duty 4 - also on PC and PS3
Bioshock - best on PC
Mass Effect - soon to be on PC
Gears of War 2 - will inevitably be on PC
Eternal Sonata - soon to be on the PS3(though I doubt anyone cares)
Fallout 3 - simulteneous release on PS3/Xbox360/PC
Colin McRae`s DiRT - best on PC and PS3

That leaves what? Ninja Gaiden 2 and a couple of wannabe JRPGs from Mistwalker that no one gives a damn about? Where`s the incentive to buy an Xbox 360 when millions of people can just download most of those games from torrents for free? At least PS3`s exclusive games are genuine exclusives - you can`t buy Gran Turismo 5, God of War 3, Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid 4, Disgaea 3, Tekken 6 and Ryu ga Gotoku 3 for any other system.


On the topic of Japanese support.... The PS3 unquestionably wins here. Any sensible person can see that by the end of this generation the PS3 will have 20 times as many Japanese games as the Xbox 360. The absolute majority of Japanese Xbox 360 games are MS bankrolled. There is zero in terms of genuine third-party support on the Xbox 360 as no sane Japanese developer will ever go for it. And since we are using crapfests like Spectral Force 3 and Operation Darkness as examples of Xbox 360`s strong Japanese support, I`ll just use Mist of Chaos, Agarest Senki, Megazone 23: Aoi Garland, Tears of Tiara and Imabikisou as examples of the PS3`s. I mean, why the hell not?

Long story short, if you want to play quality Japanese games, go for the PS3. And to just further support the list wars in this thread:

Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Shirokishi Monogatari(White Knight Chronicles)
Angel Rings(from the creators of Legend of Dragoon)
Makai Senki Disgaea 3
Folklore
Time Crisis 4
Ridge Racer 7
Makai Wars
Steambot Chronicles 2(Irem)
Gran Turismo 5
Shin Megami Tensei
Tekken 6
Ryu ga Gotoku: Kenzan(Yakuza 3)
Ico 3(working title)
Forbidden Siren 3
Senjou no Valkyria
King of Fighter XII

That`s not counting multiplatform titles like Devil May Cry 4, Biohazard 5, Soul Calibur 4, Last Remnant etc. Also, stuff like Kingdom Heart 3 will inevitably appear on the PS3 as well seeing as it`s home to mainline Finala Fantasy. Level 5 will probably eventually produce two-three more JRPGs for the PS3 after they are finished with Shirokishi. Smaller companies like Gust will also eventually jump on board with PS3 seeing as Nippon Ichi and Irem are already there. And speaking of Nippon Ichi, they recently confirmed that they are planning on releasing even more games on the PS3.

Japanese support for the PS3 will have the snowball effect. The longer the system exists and the more popular it becomes - the more Japanese games will come out for it. The Xbox 360 on the other hand is a disaster. It sells only about 2,000 units a week and its much hyped Final Fantasy "killer" Lost Odyssey sold less in month than Disgaea 3 for the PS3 in the first week. The only way I can see any Japanese developer producing games for it in the future is if they were moneyhatted by MS.


About online... PSN is better. Period. I don`t care what anyone says, I`m not going to pay for what is supposed to be free. I`ve been playing PC games online since 98 without paying anyone anything, yet MS wants me to pay for their shitty XBL? Yeah, well, fuck you MS. I`m not a tool. Besides, PSN is getting better day by day and in many ways it`s already eclipsed XBL. A lot of PS3`s online games use dedicated servers, whereas on XBL it`s always P2P. Resistance, for instance, provides lag-free 48-player online MP that the lagfest that is XBL could never hope to match. Resistance 2 is confirmed to have 60-played MP and 8-player co-op. XBL what?

Backwards compatibility... Do not fucking care. And those who do most likely aren`t very hardcore gamers. My PSX/PS2 gaming library is about 700 games large and is equally divided between PAL, NTSC US and NTSC JP meaning that since I have a Japanese PS3 I can only play my Japanese PSX and PS2 games on it. So I just use my modded PS2 instead seeing as its 100% compatible with games from all three regions.

Controllers... Dual Shock 3 all the way. It`s the only controller that still has usable d-pad. Xbox 360`s controller is only good for FPS, but not so much for anything else. If you want to make fun of your friends, have them play Virtua Fighter 5 with Xbox 360`s retarded d-pad. They`ll hate you for that. Trust me.

Audio... Is better on the PS3 by miles. Thanks to having HDMI 1.3 and Blu-ray on board the PS3 supports lossless 7.1 audio codecs.

Other features... PS3: Blu-ray playback, no region coding for PS3 games, swappable HDD, Wi-Fi, Linux. Xbox 360: ???



To the TC: Get a PS3. 99% of Western games are multiplatform, but Japanese games are mostly exclusive. So, by the end of this gen the PS3 will end up with a much bigger and better library. It`s powerful, very well built, has an excellent free-of-charge online service and a ton of other cool features.