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Erinu wrote:
Except that would be wrong. Modding a 360...
Apparently there's a modchip

Huh? What do you think "modding" is? It's installing a mod chip. Key word is highlighted.
but it doesn't really seem worth it, considering you're almost always connected to Xbox Live wihle you're playing a game, Microsoft can just flat out ban your console from either Live or entirely.
Ever heard of signing out? Or just plane unplugging your system when you're chip is on? You're talking as if you just HAVE to be connected. Good grief.
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Ganelon wrote:PS3 now. 360 when Microsoft reduces the GPU to 65nm. Then again, if nothing on the PS3 appeals to you, you may as well just save your money.
First it was the CPU, then the GPU (first was rumored to be coming late last year), next it'll be the drive.

At least that seems to be about all the changes needed.
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Spazicon wrote:Huh? What do you think "modding" is? It's installing a mod chip. Key word is highlighted.
Uh, wow. Just wow. Holy hell. You have to open the 360 in order to flash the drive which would fall under the "modification" category. That's the only known, common way of doing it. It's called modding, or flashing. Or, modding. Modding doesn't mean "modchips" specifically. Jesus christ.
Ever heard of signing out? Or just plane unplugging your system when you're chip is on? You're talking as if you just HAVE to be connected. Good grief.
If you want to play a game without co-op play, or multiplayer, and being restricted to singleplayer only, or not uploading your scores, be my guest. Have fun not making proper use of the 360. Modding isn't worth it.
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Pretty sure the 360 is leading with the majority of their games being FPS/sports/racing. The PS3 has it's share of these as well but nowhere near as many titles (though, it hasn't been out as long).
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Erinu wrote: Uh, wow. Just wow. Holy hell. You have to open the 360 in order to flash the drive which would fall under the "modification" category. That's the only known, common way of doing it. It's called modding, or flashing. Or, modding. Modding doesn't mean "modchips" specifically. Jesus christ.
Word, because he specifically stated how it was modded. Good call there, Chief. Less assumptions would do you a world of good. "Uh, wow. Just wow. Holy hell."

Yadda yadda.

If you want to play a game without co-op play, or multiplayer, and being restricted to singleplayer only, or not uploading your scores, be my guest. Have fun not making proper use of the 360. Modding isn't worth it.
First and formost, the man said he wants to play his Japanese games. What major online games you know that didn't make it stateside, number 1.

2, if it has Online Multiplayer, chances are it has offline multiplayer options, aswell. And again, name a major 360 release not released in the states with a must have Online Multiplayer Option.

3, if you let some crazy urge to upload your damn scores to Live, hinder you from actually playing the imported title, then you have fucking problems.

Seriously, you're making alot out of absolutely nothing. Congrats.
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In truth, I see no reason to buy either a 360 or a PS3 quite yet, unless you are an "FPS" freak...then I recommend buying a 360 now.

However, if I were thinking future, I would get a PS3 because I see more than FPS games (which I do not play) in its future. Heck I want one now just to play Stardust.

In my case I don't even own a HDTV yet so whats the point of putting either on my crappy 32 inch SDTV? I'm going to buy a decent 50 inch HDTV first and then buy a next gen system to make watching Blue-Ray and playing next gen games worthwhile. Otherwise whats the point?

(BTW, I didn't mention Wii because I'm still pissed off that the machine is nothing but a Gamecube with a fancy controller. I see no difference between the graphic capabilities of the GC vs Wii).
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PS3 features a Blu Ray drive, which won the format war yesterday.

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I would just follow this simple rule: Never buy a non-japanese console.

Reason: You risk missing out on the interesting (marginal or mainstream) stuff targeted at the japanese consumers. For some reason (bribes?) the X360 has been getting surprisingly many of these, but the stream could dry up any moment now, as opposed to PS3 which is getting more and more of them in the future. Here are a couple of examples:

Ryuu ga gotoku: Kenzan (Yakuza 3)
Dark Mist
Boku no natsuyasumi 3
Imabikisou (ok, it's not really a game but I'm a sucker for j-horror...)

What about the currently available games? Let's see:

On-line shop games: The situation is quite even.

Xbox Live: Omega Five, Aegis Wings (don't laugh, it's actually fun with multiple players), Undertow, probably many more

PSN: Flow, Everyday Shooter, Super Stardust HD, Blast Factor, Nucleus...


DVD/Blu-Ray media games: Almost all the best X360 "exclusives" (Gears, Mass Effect, Bio-Shock, Dead Rising...) are available for PC too, but most of the PS3 exclusives are true exclusives.

Lost Odyssey might be good, but I'm more interested in Shirokishi monogatari (White Knight Story), even without seeing any gameplay the audio/visuals already sold this to me. Gameplay-wise RPG's are the same anyway, their evolution stopped after Ultima IV. What a stupid genre.

There are more than enough racing games and fps' available for both systems.

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I completely agree with everything you said.
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Maybe you've already bought something but a detail to consider if you have a psp or plan to purchase one in the future is that there is already added functionality and stuff with the PS3, with more stuff I'm sure to be implemented in future updates.
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360 >PS3

I bought a 360 2 months ago, even started a similar thread, I have not regretted it although I couldn't have said that until I got xbox live.

I'll be honest I love my 360, yeah its chock full of FPS but I like FPS so I don't mind. But devil may cry 4 was ported to 360 and I'm 99% sure Resident Evil 5 is 360 bound now. If Metal Gear Solid 4 gets ported to the 360 there really won't be anything to force me to get a PS3 apart from ff13 and GT5, I bet god of war 3 will be PS3 exclusive aswell so I might have to wait 2 years.

Ninja gaiden 2 is a potentially a much better game, which I'm really looking forward to playing. + GTA4 is a 360 release as well. For me the 360 has a strong gaming line up, rpg wise its still weak, but what ps3 rpgs are actually out there?
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For the kinds of japanese games that I fell in love with, 360 seems to come through despite being a console of American origin. Omega Five, Pac-Man CE, Senko no Ronde, what appears to be the more refined version of Virtua Fighter 5, and Dead Rising, among some other candidates that will be released in the future, make me proud that I chose the Xbox 360 over the PS3 as my first next-generation console. It's just that I would hate for someone to purchase the PS3 saying "Well I should buy this system because it's the japanese one and I like Japanese games" without looking at all the cards in the deck. Eternal Sonata, while it will soon be on the PS3, seems to be the most inspired J-RPG in years. It's kind of crazy to me games like that ever even ended up on this system though. Just some of my food for thought.
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Ceph wrote:I completely agree with everything you said.
So do I. ALL my consoles are japanese imports. All my games are imports. I do not care about EA sports or Mortal combat, etc.
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Since I have a thing for beating dead horses, let me go on with my DualShock-hating, alright? See, I have one of these...

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Which I got simply because every USB gamepad in every computer store around here is modeled after the DualShock. Nearly the same shape, so whatever I say about its design goes to the DualShock as well, amirite? Well, frankly, the analog stick is worthless. Absolutely unusable. As far as I am concerned, it's as good as not existing. It is placed in the most uncomfortable place they could find -- near the fuckin' CENTER of the damn controller.

This isn't too hard to get right, is it?

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So, for the controller alone, my advice is to avoid the PS3 like the plague.
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I think the analog sticks of the Dual Shock are perfectly placed. As do Milllions of others.
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Millions of people can still be wrong.
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I like the Xbox analog layout more too. I only absolutely insist on it for games that are using the analog sticks constantly, like FPS or arena shooters; in other games it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me but I'd still prefer it given the choice. It's soo not a dealbreaker like you make it out to be though. Pick on something else, like no in-game XMB...
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So for the record, can we confirm:

PS3 games, not region locked. But all ps2 games ARE region locked, right?

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Stormwatch wrote:near the fuckin' CENTER of the damn controller.
The N64's was my favorite, since you mention it.
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Goddamn, this is simple: buy a 360.
PS3 - no games, fantastic line-up for the future


As a reccommendation to buy, that's one of the funniest things I've heard all month.
Maybe you've already bought something but a detail to consider if you have a psp or plan to purchase one in the future is that there is already added functionality and stuff with the PS3, with more stuff I'm sure to be implemented in future updates.
Great, and forgoe any opportunity to mod your PSP with custom firmware and potentially not play Progear on the train because you've instead gone for some really rubbish connectivity features to your PS3. No thanks.

The 360 live service is far superior, the games are far superior, technically its superior (Bioshock exclusivity for instance), aesthetically its far superior.

If you can lift a PS3, where will you put it? When you do put it somewhere, somehow, what will you play on it?

When you keep getting kicked off of the live service because it doesn't work, then phone the hotline (which unlike the 360's 0800 support, costs dough) who will you play with?

This isn't a tough question. Sony finally, with a pad that's now so outdated the game development around it is stifled, have stumbled at the starting blocks.
The machine exists in a variety of further and further stripped down formats due to losses, forcing less and less compatibility with the previous systems to keep the frankly unwarranted consumer price tag as low as possible.

Its a bit messy, and if I was you I'd avoid with predjudice until Sony come up with a decent controller (one thats at least superior to PS2's dual shock 2 - this one doesn't even have rumble features), decent games, decent live services, decent backwards compatibility and a decent re-design of the machine.

Until then, let me know your XBLA gamertag and I'll hit you up for some SF Third Strike!
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Rob wrote:
Stormwatch wrote:near the fuckin' CENTER of the damn controller.
The N64's was my favorite, since you mention it.
Not the same thing. Since it had two handles to put your left hand (depending on the choice of each game's developer), for all practical purposes the analog stick was on the left "edge" as much as the d-pad.
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The PS1&2 were important for 2d shooting games - where would you have the d-pad, or would you use the analog stick for them?
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I'd put it here:

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Skykid wrote:Goddamn, this is simple: buy a 360.
PS3 - no games, fantastic line-up for the future


As a reccommendation to buy, that's one of the funniest things I've heard all month.
Maybe you've already bought something but a detail to consider if you have a psp or plan to purchase one in the future is that there is already added functionality and stuff with the PS3, with more stuff I'm sure to be implemented in future updates.
Great, and forgoe any opportunity to mod your PSP with custom firmware and potentially not play Progear on the train because you've instead gone for some really rubbish connectivity features to your PS3. No thanks.

The 360 live service is far superior, the games are far superior, technically its superior (Bioshock exclusivity for instance), aesthetically its far superior.

If you can lift a PS3, where will you put it? When you do put it somewhere, somehow, what will you play on it?

When you keep getting kicked off of the live service because it doesn't work, then phone the hotline (which unlike the 360's 0800 support, costs dough) who will you play with?

This isn't a tough question. Sony finally, with a pad that's now so outdated the game development around it is stifled, have stumbled at the starting blocks.
The machine exists in a variety of further and further stripped down formats due to losses, forcing less and less compatibility with the previous systems to keep the frankly unwarranted consumer price tag as low as possible.

Its a bit messy, and if I was you I'd avoid with predjudice until Sony come up with a decent controller (one thats at least superior to PS2's dual shock 2 - this one doesn't even have rumble features), decent games, decent live services, decent backwards compatibility and a decent re-design of the machine.

Until then, let me know your XBLA gamertag and I'll hit you up for some SF Third Strike!
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This man speaks the truth.

A lot of people try to use the "Well the Xbox360 doesn't have Japanese games on it!!!!!" argument because they're still living in 2004 and don't see the "360" after the word "Xbox", but if its Japanese gaming you want then:
Natsume - Omega Five
Namco - Ace Combat 6, Soul Calibur 4, Tales of Vesperia (?), Beautiful Katamari, Culdcept Saga
Treasure - New 2D shooter, Ikargua
Q? Entertainment - Rez HD, E4, Ninety-Nine Nights, Lumines
Mistwalker - Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Cry On, Blue Dragon 2
Sega - Virtua Fighter 5
Sandlot - Earth Defense Force 2017
G.Rev - Senko no Ronde
Square-Enix - Last Remnant
Tri-Ace - Infinite Undiscovery
From Software - Armored Core 4, Armored Core: For Answer, Enchanted Arms, Chromehounds
Koei - Um... everything they make is on the Xbox360 and PS3?
Atlus - Spectral Force 3, Operation Darkness
Konami - The same dumb DDR games.
Capcom - Lost Planet, Lost Planet 2 (since it was mentioned a few weeks back), Dead Rising, Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5, and... every other next-gen game they're making.
Team Ninja - Dead or Alive 4, Code Cronos (whatever that is), Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball 2, Ninja Gaiden 2

And you've got that Raiden Fighters collection coming out exclusively in a month. Not to mention Shikigami no Shiro III which is only also on the Wii.

So I mean, already the 360 has MORE obscure Japanese titles than have even been announced for the PS3. Not to mention the 360 is getting support from people like Treasure, Q?, and G.Rev, all of which are brilliant Japanese developers.

So... I think its safe to say that the 360 has some decent Japanese support.
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you forgot eternal sonata

edit: left it out on purpose i guess?
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szycag wrote:you forgot eternal sonata
No I didn't. :)
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This man speaks the truth.
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you forgot Oneechanbara VorteX
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Skykid wrote:Goddamn, this is simple: buy a 360.

...the games are far superior, technically its superior (Bioshock exclusivity for instance), aesthetically its far superior.
I laughed at this one.
If you can lift a PS3, where will you put it? When you do put it somewhere, somehow, what will you play on it?
Huh?
When you keep getting kicked off of the live service because it doesn't work, then phone the hotline (which unlike the 360's 0800 support, costs dough) who will you play with?
Again, huh? I doubt anyone has had that much of a problem with their Network connection, they had to call in for help, when there's superior alternatives, that are free (such as simply going online?). And lol, are you justifying Live's service over the PSN based on FEES, when PSN is free, and Live isn't?
Sony finally, with a pad that's now so outdated the game development around it is stifled, have stumbled at the starting blocks.
The machine exists in a variety of further and further stripped down formats due to losses, forcing less and less compatibility with the previous systems to keep the frankly unwarranted consumer price tag as low as possible.
Could you elaborate with this one? I have no clue what you're talking about with this one.
Its a bit messy, and if I was you I'd avoid with predjudice until Sony come up with a decent controller (one thats at least superior to PS2's dual shock 2 - this one doesn't even have rumble features)
So, because the controller doesn't vibrate, it's not a good controller, despite it being wireless, and having tilt functionality, which the 360 controller lacks? Also, in case you didn't know, Dual Shock 3 is out in Japan, and on the way to states. I.E. Rumble + Tilt.
decent games
I'm playing Unreal Tournament III, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Devil May Cry 4 (superior on the PS3 due to shorter loading times) as we speak, until Metal Gear Solid 4, and several other (insert multiplatform titles here) drop.
decent live services
Don't know what you call decent, but my online gaming is fine.
decent backwards compatibility


My model runs just about every PS2 game from the library flawless, with Upscaling options. The 360, doesn't. In fact, only a handful of the originals Xbox's titles can be played on the 360.

IIRC, people don't spend half a grand on a new system, so they could pop their old games in it. I sure hope you didn't, because you will be severely disappointed.
and a decent re-design of the machine.
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Microsoft had a revenue of US $51.12 billion (operating income US $18.52 billion = 356 million USD per week) in 2007; there are 102 countries (of 221) on this planet which have a lower gross domestic product than that. Microsoft has a virtual monopoly (established with unfair business practices) on operating systems and office software, is looking to expand into ever more sectors (right now Microsoft is trying to buy Yahoo), owns billions worth of intellectual property and thousands upon thousands of patents (bought with money earned by selling their software overpriced), making any progress for smaller companies increasingly difficult. Taking this into consideration I wouldn't buy anything they sell.

How can anyone in their right mind be a fanboy of a company like that and hope for them to dominate yet another sector?

Call me crazy, but I don't want to live on Planet Microsoft.
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Spazicon wrote: Devil May Cry 4 (superior on the PS3 due to shorter loading times)

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