When did they go wrong: Compile edition.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:27 am

Developer of one of the best 80s shooters (Zanac), later went on to develop 10 minute stages of mode 7 effects and avalanches. When did they go wrong?

I haven't played many of the games between Zanac and MUSHA enough or at all, so I leave this one up to you. The more you can narrow it down the better!

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:29 am

They never went wrong you are confused.

Guardic Gaiden one of the best famicom games.

Super Aleste Gemini Hirono's masterpiece.

Zanac Neo coulda been harder but still good enough.

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:32 am

Also, 10 minute stages of mode 7 effects is good. Get your shooting game priorities straight.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:40 am

Zanac Neo feels like a post-retirement game, better than you might expect but still not very good. Bundling the original keeps it from being an embarrassing release, but on its own you can tell Compile was way past their prime.

Without playing all of their games, I think this has to be MUSHA. Their legacy was destroyed before Robo Aleste's 4th stage.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:44 am

Gun*Nac is still waiting your apologies for not ranking it the proper way on your NES countdown, btw

Seriously, I was half joking in OT ~ it's not that I need a Compile thread to post. But thank you anyway. (I can comprehend your bitterness towards the post-Zanac production. I don't agree, but I see where it comes from).

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:49 am

Zanac Neo was pretty good.

I like all Compile shmups, even if they are major push overs.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:53 am

Turrican wrote:Gun*Nac is still waiting your apologies for not ranking it the proper way on your NES countdown, btw

#6

I think it's cool they included notable extra difficulty modes, but even those were gone (pretty sure, don't have either anymore) by Robo Aleste and Spriggan.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:06 am

Rob wrote:I think it's cool they included notable extra difficulty modes, but even those were gone (pretty sure, don't have either anymore) by Robo Aleste and Spriggan.

You like Terra Cresta's frantic pace and despise Xevious' trudging sloppiness: I guess you should try both the PCE and the MSX2 Xevious. they can get quite hellish, especially PCE, and they're Compile.

Still look forward to an HuCard countdown, if you'll ever find the strength to pull it off.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:10 am

Compile's Power Strike destroys over confident shmuppers and grinds them into bantha fodder.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:19 am

it's definitely not whatever they did that caused the guys who founded raizing to leave

roker · Post by **roker** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:29 am

Twiddle wrote:it's definitely not whatever they did that caused the guys who founded raizing to leave

that's the most positive aspect if I've ever seen one

Raizing came into being because people at Compile were dicontent

brilliant!

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:43 am

Macaw wrote:They never went wrong you are confused.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:32 am

When they decided it was okay for players to get motion sickness.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:24 am

compile makes shmups!?

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:03 am

When Compile started paying more attention to Puyo than shmups (though I like Puyo Puyo).

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:42 am

I don't like Compile shmups and I don't know why, please influence my opinion with bullet points.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:26 pm

ROBOTRON wrote:Compile's Power Strike destroys over confident shmuppers and grinds them into bantha fodder.

And yet, I managed to one-life that bitch.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:46 pm

FIL wrote:I don't like Compile shmups and I don't know why, please influence my opinion with bullet points.

-they suck

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:08 pm

FIL wrote:I don't like Compile shmups and I don't know why, please influence my opinion with bullet points.

-every stage has like 5 loops
-they decided 12 stages of that is good
-they never said no to any idea, no matter how bad
-it only gets challenging if you lose your pyramid-shaped screen-covering laser on the last stage
-all of the points come from the last boss

rolins · Post by **rolins** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:12 pm

I'd say around 1993-94. By that time Compile was focused on Puyo Puyo and Disc Station until they closed shop. Probably their best game in the meantime was Shadowrun on the MegaCD which was quite good.

About Zanac X Zanac I was really hyped when I got it. The gameplay was good, but the music was not so great. Most importantly Compile left out the original MSX1 version. Why? That's without question the best Zanac.

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:17 pm

Well they (some of the members) finally got their act together with Raizing.

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:20 pm

Those are some convincing bullet points, and may go someway to explain why I started to fall asleep last time I played Super Aleste.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:26 pm

When did they go wrong

The beginning.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:27 pm

Zanac is classic.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:16 am

rolins wrote:About Zanac X Zanac I was really hyped when I got it. The gameplay was good, but the music was not so great.

Totally disagree. Daisuke Nagata and Kou Hayashi did some really sweet remixes/arranges of the original tunes. Then they went over to MileStone, where they now write awesome techno/synth/trance soundtracks.

*EDIT: Forgot the D&B.

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:00 am

Puyo-puyo single-mindedness comes to mind.

The rest was taken up by various programmers and rejuvenated the 90's style of shmupping (I wrote about this, years ago).

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:13 pm

With Compile heart.....