Whatever happened to the Ketsui Dump?

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:50 pm

There has been no news since the pcb was shipped to The Guru. What's the current status?

Apologies if this topic is unacceptable.

nem · Post by **nem** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:30 pm

Ceph wrote:What's the current status?

Ceph wrote:There has been no news since the pcb was shipped to The Guru.

/thread

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:32 pm

no news

cuz that's his policy ZOMGZ

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:32 pm

i don't know about a dump of it , but there's a video of people taking a dump on it...

http://www.2-girls-1-ketsui.com

i kid, i kid

Keade · Post by **Keade** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:43 pm

guru homepage wrote:22nd October, 2007
(...)
Oh, I forgot to mention, a couple of days ago I received a Ketsui PCB too. I think the sender wanted to remain anonymous, so I'll just says thanks to the people that collected the bucks to buy it. I'll take good care of it, I promise

guru homepage wrote:29th December, 2007
(...)
The remaining to-do stuff listed on my Global Index page is looking pretty sad now. Most of what's remaining is either impossible to dump or incredibly time consuming! There still might be one or two easy dumps to go. I'll sort those out soon while I'm on holiday, if I can find them!

That's all news so far (Ketsui-related), on his website.

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:55 am

Haze wrote:it's pgm based. it uses a protection device, with no external rom, and thus pretty much no chance of it being trojaned (for proper emulation of the protection device, not simulation). Also the later pgm caves have execute only internal roms, so even if you do manage to get code running on them you *can't* dump them.

IOW, don't expect it running in MAME anytime soon. It might just require a decap, but as we don't even know if those things are mask / eeprom (I suspect eeprom, and custom part so we can't read them even if we erase protect bits) not even that is really an option.

so yeah, it looks nice.. cave shooters always do, but properly emulated, soon, No.

Guru wrote:the game is actually not that great IMO. I personally like the s1945-series better. Its just your typical Japanese bullets-everywhere vertical shooter, nothing special. I don't know what all the fuss is about. I personally would not buy it even if I had the money just lying around.
BTW, what is this worth? I heard it's rare or something?

Guru

Haze wrote:Nicola and Andrea deal with encryption, not protection MCUs.

it might be possible to simulate it (depends what it does, who knows) however I can tell you one thing for sure, Nicola can't psychically read the content of the internal rom of the MCU to emulate it.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:42 pm

Thanks for the replies. Seems Ketsui is one tough cookie.

So if the eeprom has to be decapped in order to readout, it's going to cost a couple of hundred more to dump it...

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:49 pm

If Ketsui ever gets dumped would that also lead the way to PGM emulation as well?

After all Ketsui is just a PGM board without a cartridge slot and a different BIOS.

Post by **nZero** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:53 pm

PGM emulation is plenty far along already, both in MAME and in Nebula... the only real holdouts are the later games with protection.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:59 pm

nZero wrote:PGM emulation is plenty far along already, both in MAME and in Nebula... the only real holdouts are the later games with protection.

Some PGM games are already emulated?

I thought MAME Dev didn't break the protection yet.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:37 pm

Guru wrote:the game is actually not that great IMO. I personally like the s1945-series better. Its just your typical Japanese bullets-everywhere vertical shooter, nothing special. I don't know what all the fuss is about. I personally would not buy it even if I had the money just lying around.

Radiant · Post by **Radiant** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:26 pm

FrederikJurk wrote:
Guru wrote:the game is actually not that great IMO. Its just your typical Japanese bullets-everywhere vertical shooter, nothing special. I don't know what all the fuss is about. I personally would not buy it even if I had the money just lying around.

what's wrong with this?! I would say 100% the same about ketsui...there are A LOT of better and cheaper shmups out there.....

nem · Post by **nem** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:48 pm

But it's motherfuckin' KETSUI! It is greatest shoot'em-up game evar.

Even though I've never played it.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:23 am

What I find disturbing about the statement is why anyone gives a fuck about what Guru thinks of the game, or why he posts. Will he not dump it b/c he doesn't like it? If he's just talking to talk, fair enough, but it seems dodgy at best.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:45 am

You think he loves to dump manjong games?

Of course not, but he dumps them anyway.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:48 am

Guru is pretty renowned in the emulation fraternity. He doesn't mess people about and he doesn't rip people off. I'd imagine that he probably dislikes most of the games he's ripped over the years. It doesn't stop him doing it.

henry dark · Post by **henry dark** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:48 am

I am right in understanding that people clubbed together and paid money to send him the PCB without knowing when, or even if he would do it?

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:00 am

No, that is incorrect. People here clubbed together, yes, but only because it was known that he would do it.

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:03 am

henry dark wrote:I am right in understanding that people clubbed together and paid money to send him the PCB without knowing when, or even if he would do it?

He said he will do it, or at least try to do it. He played a big part in making CPS2 emulation possible so he really is not just somebody claiming something. Of course he won't say "when"...after all it's not a business he's running. Just hacking and dumping stuff - for fun, glory, technical knowledge and preservation of arcade games

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:10 pm

I really cant wait! I need another CAVE game!

Harlequin

Geezer · Post by **Geezer** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:29 pm

Guru wrote:Dumps of Ibara and Ketsui will magically appear sometime in '08.

Haze wrote:dumps of the internal rom of the protection MCUs will likely not tho.
(IOW begging us to emulate them is 100% pointless)

I'm more interested to know how the fuck they intend to dump Ibara. He's already got the board as it's crossed off his list.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:48 pm

Geezer wrote:
Guru wrote:Dumps of Ibara and Ketsui will magically appear sometime in '08.

Haze wrote:dumps of the internal rom of the protection MCUs will likely not tho.
(IOW begging us to emulate them is 100% pointless)
I'm more interested to know how the fuck they intend to dump Ibara. He's already got the board as it's crossed off his list.

WOW!

Harlequin

Radiant · Post by **Radiant** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:10 pm

cool so i can sell al my SH3 Games!

I just send him my Futari Black Label PCB

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:01 pm

nem wrote:But it's motherfuckin' KETSUI! It is greatest shoot'em-up game evar.

Even though I've never played it.

Radiant · Post by **Radiant** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:17 pm

More News!

Guru wrote:Dumps of all later cave games (i.e. Espgaluda2, Mushihimesama +Futari, MMP...)will magically appear sometime in '08.

WOW!!!

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:24 pm

What the hell!? Is he just being ironic or does he always mean what he says. I find it hard to believe that the SH3 games will be dumped anytime soon.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:26 pm

This seems too good to be true. At the very least I predict the panic selling of some PCBs

Radiant · Post by **Radiant** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:28 pm

Geezer · Post by **Geezer** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:33 pm

CIT wrote:What the hell!? Is he just being ironic or does he always mean what he says. I find it hard to believe that the SH3 games will be dumped anytime soon.

Radiant has just edited the original quote that I posted. The most recent games on the wanted list are Mushi/Ibara.

Radiant · Post by **Radiant** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:51 pm

Oh no

now you've destroyed the dreams of 1000 people here

shmups.system11.org

Whatever happened to the Ketsui Dump?

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