Kiken wrote:
You know, it's entirely possible that G-Rev had a GD-ROM burner in house... combine that with some left over blank GD-ROM stock they probably had laying around and you've got a small reprint.
One has to wonder if MileStone or Triangle Service squirreled away some extra GD-ROMs as well.
Hmm, wouldn't burned GD-Rs look different? After all there's a big difference between pressed CDs and recorded CDs, too (also in terms of durability!). And how'd they print the logo onto the discs?
I think I'll have to buy one just to see how much it looks like the "normal" regular edition...
Right, GD-production is perfectly possible anytime and anywhere in the world. You only need to run the GD imaging system at the disc duplicators. This GD-rom thing is about Sega narrowing down the range of hardware they have to maintain on the arcade side of things. they will not produce niaomi games on GD-rom anymore.
As to the re-release They wont re-issue the limited edition. It will only be the std one. They have done one re-issue already and that was also of the std edition. I would imagine the packaging etc will be the same. Although if they were going to actually do new packaging it would cost more. The only time they would need to do that is if the publisher had changed. Which in turn they would also have to change the actual game data.
The reprint is a good thing, 200.00 dollar CDs are kinda silly. I own it and don't care if the value drops. I bought it to play it.
Damn Tim, you know there are quite a few Americans out there who still lives in tents due to this shitty economy, and you're dropping loads on a single game which only last 20 min. Do you think it's fair? How much did you spend this time?
Strider77 wrote:The reprint is a good thing, 200.00 dollar CDs are kinda silly. I own it and don't care if the value drops. I bought it to play it.
QFT. I bought mine (regular edition) with the sole intention of opening it and playing it ASAP. Mission accomplished. I can hardly understand anyone buying a game with the sole intention of flipping it *without* keeping one for themselves that they *would* play.
Plus, what a quality experience. I hadn't played a hori that well-designed in several years, and it just *felt* good, with a great niche mechanic. I remember, at the time, grumbling about the price of it as an import, the same way I did with Ikaruga, and probably the same way I did with Under Defeat (I bought the ZG2 Best reprint for $30, so that was very reasonable to me).
Never thought I'd be holding onto any kind of valuable thing...just a game I really enjoy.
Borderdown is one of the best shooters I've played and still gets a regular play now. love it and even though It may reduce the value of the game what do I care? I wont be selling my limited edition because I love playing it
The std. one....that is what is being re-issued correct? I have just about every other great hori shooters for everything from famicom to PS1 & 2, arcade, but not this game....!
iatneH wrote:A reprint of Judgement Silversword didn't really change the price at all, even the reprint is $100+ now.
The reprint probably still had a very small print run and also both prints had some minor differences. I still have the first print stored away in some box. Never really played it at all, heh.
Dragon1952 wrote:But how do I finally get one?
I have been unable to spend the coins that this game demands in the current marketplace!
So how do I finally get one?
The sign on the picture in the first post of this thread said "now taking orders", which, coupled with it being a limited release, might make it hard to get without physically going to Akihabara yourself.
I wonder if one will be able to place on order online for this re-release. From what I've read on other sites, so far, only Messe Sanoh in Akihabara, Japan will be selling them. Anyone have any info on whether or not an online purchase will be possible?
I ain't trying to fly to Japan just to buy one game.
Kiken wrote:
Have you seen the resale value for BD?
Yeah, I've sold a couple in the past couple years. Just seems like XBox Live and PS Network are much more lucrative markets. Seems like an odd choice, but I hardly know the details of the situation.
G-Rev have been rather adamant about not re-releasing games on other platforms. They stated that when they do release something on XBLA, it'll be a completely new product.
That's a shame, limiting the audience to DC/Naomi owners. More people deserve to try Border Down- I see nothing wrong with a perfect port for the Wii, and maybe a graphically improved one for 360/PS3.
Maybe a G.Rev Anthology pack is in order some day, with BD, Under Defeat, SnR, and a few other titles.
metal wolf chaos is good though... although it's odd that it's so high now.
Damn Tim, you know there are quite a few Americans out there who still lives in tents due to this shitty economy, and you're dropping loads on a single game which only last 20 min. Do you think it's fair? How much did you spend this time?
gameoverDude wrote:
Maybe a G.Rev Anthology pack is in order some day, with BD, Under Defeat, SnR, and a few other titles.
We can only hope. Maybe G-Rev are holding off to see the numbers after the release of Ikaruga. Did they learn anything from Senko no Ronde? Frankly, I'd like to put the DC to bed and if XBLA isn't an option, then this would be fantastic.
well- what happens with hardware failure? My xbox/ps3 are more likely to die than my BD disc. Downloadable content SHOULD NEVER replace hard copies...
I agree with this strongly, it might be me being a bit old but I always want a physical version of any game I really like. I still play stuff that is pretty old. Once that console's online service is gone, so are those games if your hard drive srews up or needs a reformat ect.
You can back-up your XBLA and Wii VC games onto a memory card. Not sure about PS3 games downloaded from the PSN.
jpj wrote:i thought it was well-known, but the reason why not to release something on someone else's network as a download is because you're held to ransom over how much % of each transaction goes to you, the person who created it. i think with xbox live, microsoft take 80% - correct me if i'm wrong. that's why hardly ever is it worth putting new games on these services, and they end up full of really old IPs that licence holders don't give a shit about any more.
It's more like 50% with Microsoft and XBLA, maybe a bit less if you fund your own development.
well- what happens with hardware failure? My xbox/ps3 are more likely to die than my BD disc. Downloadable content SHOULD NEVER replace hard copies...
I agree with this strongly, it might be me being a bit old but I always want a physical version of any game I really like. I still play stuff that is pretty old. Once that console's online service is gone, so are those games if your hard drive srews up or needs a reformat ect.
You can back-up your XBLA and Wii VC games onto a memory card. Not sure about PS3 games downloaded from the PSN.
With XBLA, they're'authorized' with the console you originally purchased them. So in 15 years if you want to play that awesome XBLA shooter you have on a memory card, and you don't have the original 360 you purchased it on? Better hope the Live service is still active, because you'll need to be signed onto it to play your game!
I'm still really perplexed why members of a niche group of game players who commonly play 10-20 year old games want devs to port stuff to what is essentially a transient platform...
zakk wrote:
I'm still really perplexed why members of a niche group of game players who commonly play 10-20 year old games want devs to port stuff to what is essentially a transient platform...
So am I. I'll keep playing my games on my original systems, which will continue to work long after the online services of the current generation of consoles are gone, thank you very much. I don't think I'd ever pay money to download a ROM to a console. I pity the fools who do.
zakk wrote:With XBLA, they're'authorized' with the console you originally purchased them. So in 15 years if you want to play that awesome XBLA shooter you have on a memory card, and you don't have the original 360 you purchased it on? Better hope the Live service is still active, because you'll need to be signed onto it to play your game!
I'm pretty sure that either a. Microsoft will provide some sort of patch to allow the games to run offline (in the distant future) in the event that they ever discontinue the service, or b. the protection will have been hacked by then.
Ceph wrote:I don't think I'd ever pay money to download a ROM to a console. I pity the fools who do.
Well, in some instances there are benefits - all the N64 games on the VC run more smoothly, at a more stable frame rate, and in a higher resolution than the originals. This benefits the games enormously. Also, not all downloadable games from these services are 'ROMS'. Many of the titles are unique to that particular system. If you refuse to download those titles, then you're missing out on some great new games.
zakk wrote:With XBLA, they're'authorized' with the console you originally purchased them. So in 15 years if you want to play that awesome XBLA shooter you have on a memory card, and you don't have the original 360 you purchased it on? Better hope the Live service is still active, because you'll need to be signed onto it to play your game!
I'm pretty sure that either a. Microsoft will provide some sort of patch to allow the games to run offline (in the distant future) in the event that they ever discontinue the service, or b. the protection will have been hacked by then.
I'd bet money on one or the other happening at the point the service is discontinued, although I have more faith in the hardware being hacked eventually. Ultimately though, I don't think there's much to worry about with regards to authentication from Microsoft if you evetually need to authenticate your games on a different console - after all - Windows 2000 is nearly 10 years old, and that can still be authenticated online with Microsoft.
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Ceph wrote:So am I. I'll keep playing my games on my original systems, which will continue to work long after the online services of the current generation of consoles are gone, thank you very much.
Same here. It's common sense, really. This is also the reason why I haven't bought any of the next gen. consoles yet. I'll leave that to my younger brother. I'm too busy with building up my Saturn, DC and PS libraries. And I just started collecting PS2 and XBox titles.
