Don't hate on easy shmups

[stanski]

karous

yeh karous is easy in terms of completing the game but is hard if you wanna get a 3 billion + score

No one mentioned anything about scoring.

[Fighter17]

Hyper Duel is good but way too easy.

I *cough* DL *cough* the Saturn version of Hyper Duel and even the Saturn mode wasn't too much of a challenge.

[jp]

Hyper Duel is good but way too easy.

I *cough* DL *cough* the Saturn version of Hyper Duel and even the Saturn mode wasn't too much of a challenge.

Oh, so you 1CC'd it?

[clp]

karous

yeh karous is easy in terms of completing the game but is hard if you wanna get a 3 billion + score

No one mentioned anything about scoring.

ok sorry didnt realise you were so specific , but surely scoring is an aspect of a games difficulty?

[Fighter17]

Hyper Duel is good but way too easy.

I *cough* DL *cough* the Saturn version of Hyper Duel and even the Saturn mode wasn't too much of a challenge.

Oh, so you 1CC'd it?

2CC it.

I need a credit for the last boss.

And I'm not blowing $100 just so I can 1CC it. If I could use just two credits to beat the game on Saturn mode then where's the fun?

[jp]

Hyper Duel is good but way too easy.

I *cough* DL *cough* the Saturn version of Hyper Duel and even the Saturn mode wasn't too much of a challenge.

Oh, so you 1CC'd it?

2CC it.

I need a credit for the last boss.

And I'm not blowing $100 just so I can 1CC it. If I could use just two credits to beat the game on Saturn mode then where's the fun?

Oh, I see where you're coming from.


Hey guys, I can 2CC Battle Garegga, Radiant Silvergun (all day!), Soukyuugurentai, Border Down, Dodonpachi, Gunbird 2, Batsugun, and Mars Matrix.*

Go ahead and add all those to that easy shmups list. Kthx bai!

By the way Fighter, do you write reviews for IGN? Specifically during the Dreamcast era? Just wondering.


*I've never actually "2CC'd" any of those games as I always decline the games' offers to continue like a good shmupper should.

[Fighter17]

Oh, I see where you're coming from.


Hey guys, I can 2CC Battle Garegga, Radiant Silvergun (all day!), Soukyuugurentai, Border Down, Dodonpachi, Gunbird 2, Batsugun, and Mars Matrix.

By the way Fighter, do you write reviews for IGN? Specifically during the Dreamcast era? Just wondering.

If the shmup is not even a challenge then it's not fun at all. It's only at the last two stages when Hyper Duel kind-of gets hard (if you have full powerups).

The last boss is a pain and it's the only part of the game where it's fun. I don't want to waste my time replaying the boring stages just to make it to the last boss. And for me the last boss will only give me one minute of fun.

I had the same problem with Blast Wind when I 1cc it. After two days I start playing it (and I didn't enjoy it at all).

Music in both Blast Wind and Hyper Duel (Saturn mode) overrides the gameplay it's not even funny. I should just buy the official soundtracks for these games in the near future.

I will only 1cc a shmup if it's fun and challenging. I used to own MUSHA for the Genesis and after two days of getting it I 1cc it. It wasn't hard and like many Compile shmups it's easy. After that I sold it because it's not a challenge at all. Music overrides the gameplay once again.

I personally only buy shmups if it's good and it's a challenge. If I really like it I'll 1cc it.

I don't go on IGN at all.

[jp]

Oh, I see where you're coming from.


Hey guys, I can 2CC Battle Garegga, Radiant Silvergun (all day!), Soukyuugurentai, Border Down, Dodonpachi, Gunbird 2, Batsugun, and Mars Matrix.

By the way Fighter, do you write reviews for IGN? Specifically during the Dreamcast era? Just wondering.

If the shmup is not even a challenge then it's not fun at all. It's only at the last two stages when Hyper Duel kind-of gets hard (if you have full powerups).

The last boss is a pain and it's the only part of the game where it's fun. I don't want to waste my time replaying the boring stages just to make it to the last boss. And for me the last boss will only give me one minute of fun.

I had the same problem with Blast Wind when I 1cc it. After two days I start playing it (and I didn't enjoy it at all).

Music in both Blast Wind and Hyper Duel (Saturn mode) overrides the gameplay it's not even funny. I should just buy the official soundtracks for these games in the near future.

I will only 1cc a shmup if it's fun and challenging. I used to own MUSHA for the Genesis and after two days of getting it I 1cc it. It wasn't hard and like many Compile shmups it's easy. After that I sold it because it's not a challenge at all. Music overrides the gameplay once again.

I personally only buy shmups if it's good and it's a challenge. If I really like it I'll 1cc it.

I don't go on IGN at all.

I can easily get to the final bosses on Mars Matrix, Batsugun, and Dodonpachi on one credit. Doesn't make me think less of the games.

The fun in a shooter typically comes from playing for the 1CC, and after that playing for score. Though its apparent that you don't "get" Tecno Soft shooters to begin with, so thats just on you. But calling a game you cannot 1CC "easy" is like saying "I suck really bad at this genre." Because the only way a game can be percieved as "easy" is if it can be completed with minimal effort. And the only real way to complete a shmup is to 1CC it.

Of course, if you're that worried about a "challenge" there's always this magical thing called the "Difficulty Setting".

[Fighter17]

I can easily get to the final bosses on Mars Matrix, Batsugun, and Dodonpachi on one credit. Doesn't make me think less of the games.

The fun in a shooter typically comes from playing for the 1CC, and after that playing for score. Though its apparent that you don't "get" Tecno Soft shooters to begin with, so thats just on you. But calling a game you cannot 1CC "easy" is like saying "I suck really bad at this genre."

Of course, if you're that worried about a "challenge" there's always this magical thing called the "Difficulty Setting".

I can get to the last stage of Batsugun on one credit, but I don't 2cc because it's actually fun and challenging.

And I do "get" Tecno Soft shooters. TF IV is their best shooter they ever did. Good difficulty, music, backgrounds, etc. TF III was good but a little too easy and TF V (I own the TF V Special Pack for the Saturn, love the Music CD it came with) was good but didn't compare to TF IV.

And jp, don't tell me that I don't understand Tecnosoft shooters, I love them. But even I know that some of the games they made are too easy (Hyper Duel and Blast Wind).

Two days ago I played Hyper Duel for the first time in six months and on my first try (on MAME, arcade version) I'm already at the last boss. I didn't enjoy it at all. Then you told me that Saturn mode was much harder so I DL the Saturn ISO to see if this is true (and if I'm actually going to buy it). While some parts of the game were much harder with full powerups, it's still too easy and on my first credit I got to the last boss again, but this time on Saturn mode. I said it before and I'll say it again, last boss is the only good thing about the game, the rest is too easy and boring.

I enjoy more of the music than playing the game. The macross-style gameplay system is great but not having the challenge is the biggest flaw of Hyper Duel. I would give it a 8/10 if I was doing the review on it.

+Graphic effects in Saturn mode is great.
+Music
+Good Gameplay system
-Too Easy for its own good


Oh and I don't change difficulty settings. Doesn't make too much sense at all to make the make the game hard when normal is too easy (to me that's a problem, and I only follow this rule in shmups).

[jp]

And I do "get" Tecno Soft shooters. TF IV is their best shooter they ever did. Good difficulty, music, backgrounds, etc. TF III was good but a little too easy and TF V (I own the TF V Special Pack for the Saturn, love the Music CD it came with) was good but didn't compare to TF IV.

Hyper Duel is way harder than any Thunder Force game. I'm sorry to break it to you.

And jp, don't tell me that I don't understand Tecnosoft shooters, I love them. But even I know that some of the games they made are too easy (Hyper Duel and Blast Wind).

If you don't like "easy" shooters then you obviously have no business with Tecno Soft's games. 'Sall I'm sayin'.

Two days ago I played Hyper Duel for the first time in six months and on my first try (on MAME, arcade version) I'm already at the last boss. I didn't enjoy it at all. Then you told me that Saturn mode was much harder so I DL the Saturn ISO to see if this is true (and if I'm actually going to buy it). While some parts of the game were much harder with full powerups, it's still too easy and on my first credit I got to the last boss again, but this time on Saturn mode. I said it before and I'll say it again, last boss is the only good thing about the game, the rest is too easy and boring.

This has nothing to do with whether or not you like it. I don't care about that. But you saying a game you can only 2CC is easy is retarded. Thats my entire point. Whether or not you appreciate Hyper Duel or Blast Wind has nothing to do with it.

Oh and I don't change difficulty settings. Doesn't make too much sense at all to make the make the game hard when normal is too easy

What? It doesn't make sense to you to make the game more challenging if you find it too easy? That doesn't even make sense. If I was as overly concerned about the difficulty of games as some people, and a game being easy made a game "not good" magically, then I would most certainly use the difficulty settings so that my complaint would be invalid and thus I could enjoy the game.

Is Hyper Duel easy? No. Why? Because the last 3 levels are fairly difficult and the game doesn't give you a plethora of lives like every other Tecno Soft shooter in existence. If the end of a game is difficult, the game itself is still difficult, it doesn't matter how easy Stage 1 was. To me, Soukyuugurentai doesn't really get hard until the last two levels, but I can't consistently 1CC it (I've only done it three times I think), ergo I would never run around telling people it was too easy, because that would be retarded. Likewise, I can 1CC Hyper Duel in arcade mode all day, but have yet to do it in Saturn Mode due to the final boss. Unlike, I don't know, every other shooter Tecno Soft ever made that I can 1CC all day every day these days.

[Fighter17]

Hyper Duel is way harder than any Thunder Force game. I'm sorry to break it to you.

LOL.

I have a much harder time getting to the last stage of TF IV than beating the last boss of Hyper Duel.

If you don't like "easy" shooters then you obviously have no business with Tecno Soft's games. 'Sall I'm sayin'.

Of course but TF IV and TF V are still challenging games.

This has nothing to do with whether or not you like it. I don't care about that. But you saying a game you can only 2CC is easy is retarded. Thats my entire point. Whether or not you appreciate Hyper Duel or Blast Wind has nothing to do with it.

Doesn't really matter. I played GleyLancer for the MD for the first time three months ago and on my first try I'm already at the last boss and died on the spot. I mean, my first try. There's a problem if you can get the last boss of the game on your first try. Don't get me wrong jp, I can 1cc Hyper Duel if I can study the last boss pattern's correctly. But since the whole game is too easy for my taste I'm not wasting my time trying to beat it. I'm not a 1cc whore, never was, never will.

What? It doesn't make sense to you to make the game more challenging if you find it too easy? That doesn't even make sense. If I was as overly concerned about the difficulty of games as some people, and a game being easy made a game "not good" magically, then I would most certainly use the difficulty settings so that my complaint would be invalid and thus I could enjoy the game.

I want a challenge on normal. I'm not changing the settings so I have to make the game harder.

Is Hyper Duel easy? No. Why? Because the last 3 levels are fairly difficult and the game doesn't give you a plethora of lives like every other Tecno Soft shooter in existence. If the end of a game is difficult, the game itself is still difficult, it doesn't matter how easy Stage 1 was. To me, Soukyuugurentai doesn't really get hard until the last two levels, but I can't consistently 1CC it (I've only done it three times I think), ergo I would never run around telling people it was too easy, because that would be retarded. Likewise, I can 1CC Hyper Duel in arcade mode all day, but have yet to do it in Saturn Mode due to the final boss. Unlike, I don't know, every other shooter Tecno Soft ever made that I can 1CC all day every day these days.

LOL.

Before the lass boss the last two stages are a walk in the park. Have full powerups, and be in fighter mode only (no gunner mode until the lass boss in certain parts. You can actually beat the whole game in fighter mode). In the city stage (with the spider boss) stay mostly in the back and in the middle area (so you won't get killed by those suicide robots trying to jump on you. Don't stay in corners). And what ship are you using? The red ship (the girl) is the best ship you can use to beat the game.

And I'm talking about Saturn mode right here.

[The Coop]

Speaking of 1CCing, I finally broke my stage 5 curse on the Genesis game Raiden Trad. I've always gotten there with little trouble, but that stage would kick my ass, leaving me with bottom level power to fight the boss. But I finally got through the game on 1 credit, had several lives in reserve for the bonus stage, and broke my 8 year old high score for the game.

'Twas a happy moment

[jp]

LOL.

I have a much harder time getting to the last stage of TF IV than beating the last boss of Hyper Duel.

So you can't 1CC TFIV either? "Lol" yourself.

Of course but TF IV and TF V are still challenging games.

In what alternate reality? Check the 1CC thread. Virtually everyone thats played TFIV or TFV have 1CC'd it. Proportionally speaking, a lot less people that have played Hyper Duel have 1CC'd it. Actually, I think like, 2 people have (from here).

Doesn't really matter. I played GleyLancer for the MD for the first time three months ago and on my first try I'm already at the last boss and died on the spot. I mean, my first try. There's a problem if you can get the last boss of the game on your first try. Don't get me wrong jp, I can 1cc Hyper Duel if I can study the last boss pattern's correctly. But since the whole game is too easy for my taste I'm not wasting my time trying to beat it. I'm not a 1cc whore, never was, never will.

Yeah well you know what? I imagine if I put the time into it I could 1CC Rayxanber II and Image Fight 2. Of course, saying it is a lot harder than doing it. And it doesn't matter if you can get to the last boss on one try, I'd only consider a shooter REALLY easy if I could 1CC it on one try or make it to the final boss on ONE LIFE on my first try. First try ever mind, not first try in x months. Of course, apparently you can't even clear TFIV so...

I want a challenge on normal. I'm not changing the settings so I have to make the game harder.

Then you obviously do not grasp the concept of options.

LOL.

Before the lass boss the last two stages are a walk in the park. Have full powerups, and be in fighter mode only (no gunner mode until the lass boss in certain parts. You can actually beat the whole game in fighter mode). In the city stage (with the spider boss) stay mostly in the back and in the middle area (so you won't get killed by those suicide robots trying to jump on you. Don't stay in corners). And what ship are you using? The red ship (the girl) is the best ship you can use to beat the game.

Oh please. I can 1-life it to the final boss most of the time. I don't need your strategy with the red ship (especially since I play as Type 01, despite it not being the better ship for score). Though FYI, I 1CC'd it in Arcade mode with the white ship. Try that sometime eh?

[shoe-sama]

onoz SNS3 IS TEH EASIEST GAME EVER CUZ I BEAT STAGE 1 LULZ

[jp]

onoz SNS3 IS TEH EASIEST GAME EVER CUZ I BEAT STAGE 1 LULZ

I know right?

And wasn't the original intent of this thread to PRAISE easy shmups? And tell other people about really GOOD easy shmups so that they could clear them as well?

[Rob]

In what alternate reality? Check the 1CC thread. Virtually everyone thats played TFIV or TFV have 1CC'd it. Proportionally speaking, a lot less people that have played Hyper Duel have 1CC'd it. Actually, I think like, 2 people have (from here).

I think this might be because, proportionally speaking, people actually like Thunder Force IV.

Hyper Duel is pretty damn easy. Being able to clear it on two credits immediately makes it pretty easy. It's not like there are bombs or something else that can be abused per credit.

Is also pretty good. Better than Elemental Master and maybe even Thunder Force V.

[Limbrooke]

I don't really think any of the TF games are easy, same goes for Hyper Duel, while it's probably harder still. I haven't played them much or as much as most people who enjoy the series on here so perhaps that's why.

Nomination for an easy shooter? Stahlfeder - PS1

[JoshF]

You guys must have perfect scores.

[Sonic R]

This thread is suppose to be about enjoy and appreciate the "easier" games, This is not to bash a game because it is lack challenge and is therefore a bad game.

Oh, Gleylancer is in the top 5 of all Genesis/Mega Drive games.

[Fighter17]

Nomination for an easy shooter? Stahlfeder - PS1

Agreed. Just play as the girl and it's easy for the rest of the game. You really need the bombs at the lass boss. When I beat the boss and the ending start playing I said "Are you fking for real?"

It's not even that fun.

Oh, Gleylancer is in the top 5 of all Genesis/Mega Drive games.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

That's so sad it's not even funny.

Oh please. I can 1-life it to the final boss most of the time. I don't need your strategy with the red ship (especially since I play as Type 01, despite it not being the better ship for score). Though FYI, I 1CC'd it in Arcade mode with the white ship. Try that sometime eh?

I'm fine with ship 02. K? Thanks.

[doctorx0079]

Insector X (arcade) is pretty fun and it seems easy, although I haven't bothered to complete it yet. I keep trying to stay at maximum power.

Obviously I also recommend Neko Shot at http://www.nekogames.jp/mt/2007/05/post.html . Easy but fun.

[jp]

I think this might be because, proportionally speaking, people actually like Thunder Force IV.

Hyper Duel is pretty damn easy. Being able to clear it on two credits immediately makes it pretty easy. It's not like there are bombs or something else that can be abused per credit.

Is also pretty good. Better than Elemental Master and maybe even Thunder Force V.

Most people that play Hyper Duel like it as well.

And Hyper Duel has the special attack gauge, which is refilled everytime you die.

[Rob]

That's not even close to a bomb, let alone a full stock for 3 lives.

[Sonic R]

Oh, Gleylancer is in the top 5 of all Genesis/Mega Drive games.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

That's so sad it's not even funny.

Thanks for shitting on me more. And I am not even gay

This thread was to praise shoot em up that are consider easy NOT BASH them. Please do not post negative about games in this thread. Too many thread been shit on. Just because you do not like a game because it is too easy is no reason to jump in to an appreciation thread and shit on people and the game they are like. For fucks sake.

[Fighter17]

Oh, Gleylancer is in the top 5 of all Genesis/Mega Drive games.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

That's so sad it's not even funny.

Thanks for shitting on me more. And I am not even gay

Size 29 front.

When did I say gay to you?

Size 29 front is not going to help your case.

On-Topic: Gate of Thunder is great, music is good too.

[MathU]

If you can hear it past the LOUD sound effects...

[Dale]

I rather enjoy these:

Sonic Sisters
MUSHA
Arrow Flash

[versionfiv]

Gekirindan. Not a complete pushover, but quite a reasonable Taito vert. None of Rayforce's crushing pressure. I like it as a chillout shooter so much it's my current avatar. Also has a nice soundtrack.

agreed, except I think it is indeed a complete pushover :O

[szycag]

I was gonna do an update to the list in the first post but for what it amounts to, I don't think any of these live up to Lords of Thunder in the "easy but awesome" ratio. If you're looking for easy but good shmups just read the posts and make up your own mind what to try. For instance, I don't think I'd put Zanac Neo on that list despite the ongoing argument. So there you have it.

Fighter17: Gleylancer is awesome

[The Coop]

Easy, but awesome, eh?

Thunder Force III
Whip Rush
Steel Empire
Elemental Master
M.U.S.H.A.

... come to mind.