Welcome back to Shooting Game Tournament! This is the 2nd official STGT '07 thread out of two main threads. The 1st official STGT '07 thread can be found here.
About
The Shooting Game Tournament 2007 is a friendly score competition among users of shmups.com. The score validation works like in the hiscore threads. So you just play the game on PCB, emulator or any console port and post your score which you don't need to prove. (However if you are a troll or have a questionable reputation, be prepared to be asked for snapshots or other verifications)
Related Topics
Official Threads:
Shooting Game Tournament 2007 (Registration Thread)
--Week #1 Poll (Konami Week)
--Week #1 Scores (Twin Bee Yahhoo!)
--Week #1 Results
=Week #2 Poll (Seibu Kaihatsu Week)
=Week #2 Scores (Viper Phase 1)
=Week #2 Results
*Week #3 Poll ('06 2nd Place Week)
*Week #3 Scores (Darius Gaiden)
*Week #3 Results
>Week #4 Poll (Hidden Gem Week)
>Week #4 Scores (Omega Fighter SRSM)
>Week #4 Results
}Week #5 Poll (Famous Manic Week)
}Week #5 Scores (GigaWing)
}Week #5 Final Results
Prizes
STGT Guidelines (All pre-discussed & decided changes to core rules)
Shooting Game Tournament 2006
Unofficial (lulz) Threads:
Why is your STGT 2007 team the best? (shit-talk thread)
stgt 07 nemesis watch thread (call on the people you're targeting with win/loss records)
International Worker's Shmup Team presents: Conscription! (rally thread)
STGT 2007 Team Lurker Recruitment Thread (rally thread)
STGT '07 Turbo Team early recruitment thread. (rally thread)
Super Early STGT 2007 Recruitment For Team Downrank (rally thread)
Objective of This Thread
As with last tournament, every week of play will feature shmups to vote for based around a theme. You have steered the theme selection into the following final choices:
Starting Date: Monday, 20th August 2007
Playing Week #1: Konami Week (20th August - 26th August)
Playing Week #2: Seibu Kaihatsu Week (3rd September - 9th September)
Playing Week #3: '06 2nd Place Week (17th September - 23rd September)
Playing Week #4: Hidden Gem Week (1st October - 7th October)
Playing Week #5: Famous Manic Week (15th October - 21st October)
There will be one week break after each Playing Week.
Previously Chosen Themes:
Horizontal Week, Raizing Week, Retro Week, Psikyo Week, Hidden Gem Week, Cave Week
Last Popular Selections:
Loosely Counted (as of forum blackout {116}) (Interpreted Preference= i (first 50) i (51-116) 5 (5 i's)
Seibu Week (55i
Konami Week (5iiii
Cute-Em-Up Week (iiiiiiii
Retro Week {8-bit} (iiiiiiii
Taito Week (iiiiii
Capcom Week (iii
Caravan Week (i
Updated Classics Week (i
Hidden Gem Week (iiiiii
Doujin Week (iiiii
'06 2nd Place Week (iii
Cave Week (iiiiiiii
Raizing Week (iiii
Toaplan Week (iiiiii
This thread will now be used to help narrow down game choices of pre-selected themes that have a wide range of titles.
Updated (8-27) up to post 391
Konami Week
OPEN FOR DISCUSSION
Salamander 2, Xexex Jpn Version, Trigon/Lightning Fighters, Gradius II, Twinbee 1, Twinbee Yahho, Sexy Parodius, Gradius III, Detana Twinbee, Ajax, Salamander 1, Life Force Jpn Arc Version, Gokujou Parodius, Flak Attack/MX5000, Parodius Da, Space Manbow, Thunder Cross II (:? counter stop)
Seibu Kaihatsu WeekMortificator wrote:Just popping in to mention that Salamander 2 works fine in MAME. You just need to have the proper BIOS, konamigx.zip, in your ROM folder.
OPEN FOR DISCUSSION
Raiden 1, Raiden Fighters, Raiden Fighters Jet, Viper Phase 1, Raiden Fighters 2
<Twiddle-0> Not to mention there's a billion versions for the Raiden Fighters series
<Twiddle-0> and you have to use the same region for all if you settle on one
<Twiddle-0> all 3 regions (Asia, Japan, US) have traits that impact scoring heavily
<Twiddle-0> there's also a rogue version of vp1 that has like 10 shots per weapon and limits you to the machine gun for basically all of the game. try to avoid putting that in
<Twiddle-0> dji: also, the Raiden Fighters 2 - 2000 version (also the 2000 version of Jet) are both ineligible
<Twiddle-0> because their rank is always minimum
<Twiddle-0> i know a couple forum members have pcbs of those
<Zakk> also for RFJ, make sure to note that US and US-single are different. so the 3 people who own US-single can't use it if the US region is chosen for the comp
<Zakk> (like me)
<Zakk> (I'm about to own two of them)
<Twiddle-0> yeah
<Twiddle-0> so for mame .115
<Twiddle-0> i'll release an nvram pack
<Twiddle-0> also for mame .103
<Twiddle-0> for people who want to use older versions
<victoly> want me to make one for .118?
<Twiddle-0> sure
'06 2nd Place Week
DECIDED
Hidden Gem Week
Below is the list of games Edge and I pulled from various threads (my bad if we missed any). Anybody who knows anything about a game listed enough to know any reason it would not be good to use it for a scoring competition should bullet-point their reasons here.
Since a lot of this is based on judgment calls, I'll update the list and shuffle the games with constructive points against them to the Lesser Nominations category. If enough arguments or a very convincing argument is made against a game (such as Space Megaforce and anything Compile), I'll just mark the game nomination "defeated"
Edge still picks what he wants to research, obviously. But at least the community has more of a voice so he knows what order he should take a look at things. All this list is for is to put our shout-out nominations into better perspective.
The theory is, the last games nobody knows enough about to bitch against may be our """hidden gems?"""
Code: Select all
Game - X.# (summarized useful stuff)
X = good points against it [based on my call]
# = complaints from member preference (counts as tenth of point) [starting Oct 8]
Nominations for Hidden Gem Week
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Nebulas Ray
Macross Scrambled Valkyrie
Thunder Dragon 2
Daioh
Cybattler
Varth
Air Buster
Vasara 2
Mazinger Z
Rabio Lepus/Rabbit Punch
Grid Seeker
Aldynes
Air Buster
Hyper Duel
Rapid Hero
Saint Dragon
P-47
P-47 Aces
Gunnail
Wangan Sensou
Dogyuun
Zero Wing
The Game Paradise
Metal Black
Chimera Beast
Knightmare
Super Spacefortress Macross II
Whip Rush (bad street reviews +)
Gun Frontier (research autofire)
Gemini Wing
Rayforce
Kotsujin
Prehistoric Isle 2 - 0.1
Image Fight - 0.1
Alpha Mission 2 (Armoured Scrum Object II = ASO II) - 0.1
Gekirindan - 0.1
Hellfire - 0.1
Trigon (Jpn only) - 0.1
Violent Soldier - 0.1
Kingdom Grandprix - 0.1 (hidden enough?)
Eco Fighters - 0.1 (boring & Easy? infinite shield? [Rtype?] +)
Xexex (Jpn only) - Used in '06/'07 shortlist
Vasara - Used in '06/'07 shortlist
Cyvern - Used in '06 shortlist
Omega Fighter - Used in '06 shortlist
Lesser Nominations (Games people have made decent points against)
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Dragon Breed - 0.1 (questionable scoring? +)
19XX - 0.1 (claimed common)
Sengeki Striker - 0.1 (claimed common? +)
Change Air Blade - 0.2 (Randomness & Boring? +)
In the Hunt - 0.2 (claimed slow pace)
Shooting Game Paradise/Game Tengoku - 1 (graphic problems. claims still playable +)
Outzone - 1 (Easy w/super ball weapon? +)
Thundercross 2 - 1 (Counter Stop possible)
X-Multiply - 1 (not much scoring? Survival based. +)
Space Manbow - 1 (kills most enemies score system, hard looping)
L-Dis - 0 (emu possible? +)
Omega Fighter Special - 1 (shoe-sama youtubed way to return to 1st stage from stage 2. he claims random, but research if this can infinite +)
Captain Skyhawk - 1 (boring? +)
Nostradamus - 1 (Average. +)
Zunzunkyou No Yabou - 1 (questionable gameplay)
Assault Suits Valken - 1 (Easy? +)
BioHazard Battle - 1 (Easy? +)
Grind Stormer - 1 (crap MD no sound MAME)
Black Heart - 1 (bad graphics)
Iridis Alpha - 1 (not 'pure' but positive feedback)
V-V - 1 (no sound)
Turbo Force - 1.4 (compared to B-Wings)
Boogie Wings - 2 (easy, survival based. Danny's call)
Shienryu (Geki-Oh) - 4 (slowdowned port, questionable MAME)
Air Duel - 2 ("this is crap")
R-Type Leo - 3 (survival scoring, easy, claimed common)
Strike Gunner STG - 2 (Rob's Review kinda says it all/boring)
Needs Testing to Reconsider
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Parsec 47 - DEFEATED (doujin, but claims PC, mac, and few machine resources)
Cyberd - DEFEATED (doujin, but claims few machine resources & great scoring system. Sound bug.)
Eliminated Nominations
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Coryoon - DEFEATED (easy)
Space Megaforce - DEFEATED (Compile ruled out)
Twinbee - DEFEATED (too common)
Warning Forever - DEFEATED (doujin)
Guardian Legend - DEFEATED (Compile ruled out)
G-Type - DEFEATED (doujin)
Nomltest - DEFEATED (doujin)
XII Stag - DEFEATED (no emu)
1941 - DEFEATED (too common)
Cho Ren Sha - DEFEATED (doujin)
Creature Jungle 16 - DEFEATED (doujin)
X-10 Vatten - DEFEATED (doujin)
Sispri Gauntlet - DEFEATED (doujin)
Shikigami No Shiro 2 - DEFEATED (too common)
Thunderforce 5 - DEFEATED (too common)
Twinkle Star Sprites - DEFEATED (Edge ruling)
Under Defeat - DEFEATED (no emu)
Jackal - DEFEATED (not 'pure')
Choplifter - DEFEATED (not 'pure')
Desert War - DEFEATED (not 'pure'. Average)
Wivern Wings - DEFEATED (no emu)
GO GO Space Monkey - DEFEATED (GTA Minigame [no instant emu])
Geometry Wars - DEFEATED (no emu)
Kamui - DEFEATED (doujin)
Soldier Blade - DEFEATED (scoring bug)
Magical Chase - DEFEATED (easy)
Psychic 5 - DEFEATED (not STG)
Gunroar - DEFEATED (doujin)
Super Spy Hunter - DEFEATED (score display issues)
Strike Gunner - DEFEATED (SNES only. jamma terrible)
Time Pilot - DEFEATED (infinite scoring bug)
Eliminate Down - DEFEATED (infinite scoring, boss 2&4)
Space Bomber - CHOSEN '05
Air Gallet - CHOSEN '06+ = needs supporting arguments against listed claim (but different arguments against the game would be more useful)
*read: waiting for other people to say the same thing*
If you point out why it's good in respects to what we're looking for on the week, I'll move it up the list.
Be as harsh as you want on these games.
Famous Manic Week
OPEN FOR DISCUSSION
GigaWing, Gunbird 2, Battle Garegga, DoDonpachi (Chosen in '05), Batsugun Special, Mars Matrix (:? counter stop), Brave Blade, G-Darius
What To Do Right NowP_HAT wrote:btw, i again pray for Zin'c... [emulator]
Brave Blade
Raystorm
G-Darius
work OK even on slow PC...
The Forum's game knowledge provides a better shortlist and minimizes version conflicts, infinites, and other buzzkill-types of crisis. Anything you know about different versions of the same game (especially between ports of relevant titles), please tell us what Edge should look out for as he researches them. Check Seibu week as an example.
For Hidden Gem Week, If you know of non-scoring glitch or infinite scoring loop games that run in MAME and can function for tournament play while satisfying our theme criteria, suggest them.
If you have an opinion of what the 5-game shortlist should be on a theme week, post it &/or defend it.
The STGT Crew:
Organizers: Edge, DJ Incompetent
Game Selection Assistance: Danny, Super Laydock
Banner Guy: overkill55
Mascot: BulletMagnet
Have fun, good luck, try hard, & steer-clear the essay-fights
This seems like a lot of fun.
