Psyvariar 2: The Will to Fabricate vs. Under Defeat

Maikeru_Rocks · Post by **Maikeru_Rocks** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:19 am

Dudes I been playing theses games on my Japanese Dreamcast like crazy
I want know which game you think has the better graphics and gameplay. Also who's a better developer SKONEC Entertainment or G.rev?, the last thing who's explosions in gameplay is dead-on point?, Psyvariar 2: The Will to Fabricate or Under Defeat for me it's hard to decide.

Maikeru_Rocks
Later dudes!
Dreamcast...It's still thinking!

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:19 am

You can't really compare the two games, the gameplay is so completely different.

Personally I like Under Defeat better, and I think it has better graphics and explosions.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:23 am

That Psyvariar 2 is even mentioned in the same breath as Under Defeat baffles me. P2 has a somewhat lovely system, but lacks...well...flair. When I was playing it I couldn't shake the feeling that I was playing a doujin with a really interesting scoring system.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:32 am

I like Psyvariar 2 because it has gameplay in it.

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:52 am

Damocles wrote:That Psyvariar 2 is even mentioned in the same breath as Under Defeat baffles me. P2 has a somewhat lovely system, but lacks...well...flair. When I was playing it I couldn't shake the feeling that I was playing a doujin with a really interesting scoring system.

I concur with this man.

sfried · Post by **sfried** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:07 am

Rob wrote:I like Psyvariar 2 because it has gameplay in it.

You have something against G.Rev style shmups?

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:28 am

sfried wrote:
Rob wrote:I like Psyvariar 2 because it has gameplay in it.
You have something against G.Rev style shmups?

I have a problem with Gyrodine 3D. Border Down is cool.

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:43 am

Well, I love Under Defeat. Psyvariar 2 is ok, but I never dug the way the spinning+buzzing+level-up-timing thing was done. The games really are opposites though, with UD being practically a survival-only game while Psy2 is pretty much scoring-only. For bulletsploitation games, I have to go for the Takumis instead.

Both games are gorgeous imo.

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:44 am

I like Psyvariar 2 because it has gameplay in it.

+1

Under Defeat is a good game- VERY pretty.... but as far as something I'll come back to play a bunch and to master...nah. I show my friends this game- sure- but everyone that has seen it asks- "what else is there to this one?". Eh- I'm going to stick to Zero Gunner 2

As far as Psyvariar- I liked it- but I must also +1 the others- it's a fun little game- but really reminds me of a homebrew type thing. Just something about that game I can't *quite* put my finger on. The super duper tiny hitbox makes me feel cheap- and kind of takes away the thrill of things just a hair, too.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:35 pm

Rob wrote:I like Psyvariar 2 because it has gameplay in it.

I agree. As much as I want to like Under Defeat, it's always struck me as bland. I like Psyvariar's bullet sprays and music a lot more too. Under Defeat has better explosions though. Also, robots are much cooler than helicopters, unless they're helicopters that turn into robots, of course.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:10 pm

Does anybody remember that guy who would make dozens of topics which were all like..

"Hi guys!

(very short and/or pointless question)

Thanks guys!"

Not saying the questions here were pointless. Well maybe a bit. Combined with the overall structure of the post, there is a striking resemblance.

And for the record I like both games, but I need to be in a certain mood for Psy2 whereas I can play UD almost any time.

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:35 pm

Psyvariar 2 is like the bus stop outside the arcade in the interesting part of town. Sure it looks appealing and you'd like to go, but then you realize all that arcade has is video poker and Big Game Hunter. That and it's a short ride to the stop.

Under Defeat even if it's old school has more appeal. Not all scoring gimmicks are good or interesting.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:47 pm

Buzzing is one of the best scoring gimmicks. We are not talking about Chaos Field here.

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:00 pm

Rob wrote:Buzzing is one of the best scoring gimmicks. We are not talking about Chaos Field here.

Exactly. Although I should update my own post.

I think Under Defeat has more appeal, even while it's old school in gameplay. Not all scoring gimmicks are good or interesting to everyone.

Besides, I flew through P2 and was shocked at how short it was, even with buzzing. I'll say it's well executed but without any interest factor on my behalf.

Maikeru_Rocks · Post by **Maikeru_Rocks** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:49 am

Duides I try like crazy to get to Area 6 on Psyvariar 2 is it a secert level because I notice the high score on the main screen what do I do?. This is a silly question what does SKONEC's name mean anybody knows?. Last where can I get the soundtrack to this game the music is freaking awesome mixture
of Techno and Trance which I love to death.

Maikeru_Rocks
Later dudes!
Dreamcast...It's still thinking!

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:50 am

I was addicted as soon as I saw a vid of how a person REALLY buzzes in P2. It was liked playing tetris on the old B&W gameboy as a kid. I fealt some bizzare need to get better and further. I get some sort of rush when I manage to keep myself buzzing almost all the way through a stage.

I like under defeat quite a bit for being an excellent meat and patatoes kinda game that looks great. It gets me vote for best explosions easily though out of the 2.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:23 am

Maikeru_Rocks wrote:Duides I try like crazy to get to Area 6 on Psyvariar 2 is it a secert level because I notice the high score on the main screen what do I do?. This is a silly question what does SKONEC's name mean anybody knows?. Last where can I get the soundtrack to this game the music is freaking awesome mixture
of Techno and Trance which I love to death.

Maikeru_Rocks
Later dudes!
Dreamcast...It's still thinking!

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=140151
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=140142
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=140878
etc. etc.

The resemblance is uncanny. Jac2Mac returns?

Maikeru_Rocks · Post by **Maikeru_Rocks** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:17 pm

iatneH who's jac2mac
also why do you think I'm this person?
I don't post hardly here

Maikeru_Rocks
Later dudes!
Dreamcast...It's still thinking!

pilotwings · Post by **pilotwings** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:02 am

The 1st psyvariar kicks a whole lot of ass.