Ketsui for DS?!

SFKhoa · Post by **SFKhoa** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:30 am

Necronom wrote: Imho, from a fan's point of view it would be best if somebody would finally emulate Ketsui and end this tragedy. Cave themselves clearly doesn't give a shit.

Cave might not give a shit, but Arika still do, apparently. They care enough to ask the MAME team to remove the Ketsui support from the emulator.

colour_thief · Post by **colour_thief** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:49 am

SFKhoa wrote:
Necronom wrote: Imho, from a fan's point of view it would be best if somebody would finally emulate Ketsui and end this tragedy. Cave themselves clearly doesn't give a shit.
Cave might not give a shit, but Arika still do, apparently. They care enough to ask the MAME team to remove the Ketsui support from the emulator.

Was Ketsui in there too? I thought it was just a non-working Dodonpachi DOJ. Anyways, Mihara really hates emulation. Before this he had Tetris Grand Master 2 removed. And before that he went apeshit on his blog over Fighting Layer being emulated, though I guess he didn't have lawyers ready so it stayed in.

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:08 am

Cave might not give a shit, but Arika still do, apparently. They care enough to ask the MAME team to remove the Ketsui support from the emulator.

Yeah, I read about it...probably here. I would gladly pay for a port but since it seems that a proper one won't happen anytime soon he should maybe relax a little bit.
Also, pretty sure there are a lot of people out there who got into this whole cave frenzy after playing one of the older ones emulated so being antiemulation is after all very shortsighted. Never saw a cave game in an EU arcade. Not that there are many arcades across Europe...

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:18 am

Don't mistake hating emulation for hating having your copyrights infringed upon. It's not like Arika's pockets are that deep.

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:50 am

Necronom wrote;

Never saw a cave game in an EU arcade. Not that there are many arcades across Europe...

There are a few in my local arcade in London. Namely Ketsui (now with a Sanwa stick in a large sit-down cab), Dodonpachi, Mushihimesama, Progear.
Other titles; Giga Wing, Raiden Fighters 1, Strikers 1945 Plus, Night Raid...plus any others we wish to install, thanks to a good relationship with the Owner and Engineer.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/ ... LE1405.jpg

Notice the Flyer/Decal at the top of the pic is for Giga Wing Generations, which was in the arcade for 3 weeks before the Type X decided to blow up. The Type X was returned, the Banner remained.

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:13 pm

Wow. Nice selection. Last time I've been to London was late 2002. I think I've been to 2 or 3 arcades, must have been somewhere near Picadilly though I'm not so sure any more. They had a lot of fighters and light gun games but when it came to modern shooters there was only Raiden Fighters and DDP2. Btw, where is your local arcade? I guess the owner enjoys shmups also.

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:51 pm

Necronom wrote;

Wow. Nice selection. Last time I've been to London was late 2002. I think I've been to 2 or 3 arcades, must have been somewhere near Picadilly though I'm not so sure any more. They had a lot of fighters and light gun games but when it came to modern shooters there was only Raiden Fighters and DDP2. Btw, where is your local arcade? I guess the owner enjoys shmups also.

Yes you missed my local arcade that time, its called Casino Arcade and its just off the Centre on Tottenham Court Road.
As regards the owner John Sturges of Electrocoin, yes he repeated to me again the other night "The old games were better". Hence we've still got a place to play shoot'em ups etc.
Its really only luck though that we still have such an arcade, it could have easily been turned into a cafe (which is another thing that John mentioned).
Problem is, arcade orientated shoot'em up players are few and far between these days. You'd be surprised at how few

. The owner also knows this, and he really only keeps it open for London's fighter players.
End of Off Topic: Back to Ketsui on a handheld

colour_thief · Post by **colour_thief** » Tue May 15, 2007 6:42 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:Don't mistake hating emulation for hating having your copyrights infringed upon. It's not like Arika's pockets are that deep.

I'm pretty sure it's both. If you know the specifics about the TGM2 incident, you'd realise it does go beyond what affects their bottom line. It was a 5 year old game, with a sequel far surpassing it, and a well known simulator freely available (that could even simulate the sequel, for shame). To add to this, the holder of the Tetris name had been refusing to license the rights to a PS2 port for years, with no sign of that changing.

I've got the PCB so I don't really care about getting it for free, but it's time to be emulated had come by most reasonable assessments.

...that said I can totally sympathize with protecting the sales of their Cave ports.

velocity7 · Post by **velocity7** » Fri May 18, 2007 3:49 am

If they can provide a port.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:25 pm

Bump, just for the heck of it...

Found this today, and it´s kinda old already, but what I found interesting is that the player doesn´t push a single diagonal move:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05mS2rmJ ... ed&search=

I played Gradius via the Konami Arcade Collection for some days, and what concerns me the most about a (possible) DS port of Ketsui is the quality of the DS d-pad. I still have to test another DS Lite system, but I really have to PUNCH the pad on my system to make diagonal moves, and since it´s so unreliable I try avoid it alltogether. If this port is really happening, I might have to buy a used fat DS again.

So, any news on this matter?

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:48 am

SFKhoa wrote:
Necronom wrote: Imho, from a fan's point of view it would be best if somebody would finally emulate Ketsui and end this tragedy. Cave themselves clearly doesn't give a shit.
Cave might not give a shit, but Arika still do, apparently. They care enough to ask the MAME team to remove the Ketsui support from the emulator.

Do you have any information regarding this, becuase it certainly doesn't add up.

First of all, there was never a Ketsui driver in MAME. I think people might be getting it mixed up with Dodonpachi II: Bee Storm, which was WIP in MAME for a short time, but dropped because at the time PGM hardware was still being used in new games, and MAME didn't want to go further with it.

But Guru is requesting someone to load a board for Ketsui so they can dump it and emulate it, so as far as I know this isn't true, or if it is, people at the center of MAME's development don't seem to be aware.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:52 am

Frogacuda wrote:
SFKhoa wrote:
Necronom wrote: Imho, from a fan's point of view it would be best if somebody would finally emulate Ketsui and end this tragedy. Cave themselves clearly doesn't give a shit.
Cave might not give a shit, but Arika still do, apparently. They care enough to ask the MAME team to remove the Ketsui support from the emulator.
Do you have any information regarding this, becuase it certainly doesn't add up.

First of all, there was never a Ketsui driver in MAME. I think people might be getting it mixed up with Dodonpachi II: Bee Storm, which was WIP in MAME for a short time, but dropped because at the time PGM hardware was still being used in new games, and MAME didn't want to go further with it.

But Guru is requesting someone to load a board for Ketsui so they can dump it and emulate it, so as far as I know this isn't true, or if it is, people at the center of MAME's development don't seem to be aware.

He meant DDP:DOJ. There was an intial dump of it that didn't really work that got put in mame, and they were asked to remove it.

Ayanami · Post by **Ayanami** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:56 am

DEL wrote:Yes you missed my local arcade that time, its called Casino Arcade and its just off the Centre on Tottenham Court Road.

Oh shit, I assume that is in Tottenham Hale. That is where my brother used to live. I wish I had time to visit arcades while in London last time and the only time I was there. I will definitely have to make it out for the shmup meet. I need to play this damn Ketsui every body raves about.

Kaede · Post by **Kaede** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:39 pm

No, Casino is located in London's West End next to Goodge St. Station. Tottenham Hale is located in North East London and there are no arcades there as far as I know.

glitch · Post by **glitch** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:26 pm

FrederikJurk wrote:I still have to test another DS Lite system, but I really have to PUNCH the pad on my system to make diagonal moves, and since it´s so unreliable I try avoid it alltogether.

still got warranty?
i've got a Lite and so do 3 friends of mine. i've played on all 4 of those and never had any d-pad press not registering. if yours is unreliable and requires punching, then there's definitely something wrong yes. a healthy DS Lite d-pad works mighty fine for shmups, says me who just played the hell out of Recca on said DS. ^_^

Ayanami · Post by **Ayanami** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:29 pm

Kaede wrote:No, Casino is located in London's West End next to Goodge St. Station. Tottenham Hale is located in North East London and there are no arcades there as far as I know.

I see. Goes to show ya how much I know about London.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:43 pm

glitch wrote:
FrederikJurk wrote:I still have to test another DS Lite system, but I really have to PUNCH the pad on my system to make diagonal moves, and since it´s so unreliable I try avoid it alltogether.
still got warranty?
i've got a Lite and so do 3 friends of mine. i've played on all 4 of those and never had any d-pad press not registering. if yours is unreliable and requires punching, then there's definitely something wrong yes. a healthy DS Lite d-pad works mighty fine for shmups, says me who just played the hell out of Recca on said DS. ^_^

Yeah, maybe there really is something wrong with my Lite. It registers unidirectional presses without problems, but diagonals are just a matter of luck to be registered. I never got the chance to compare it to other ones, only to the classic DS. I´ll check if I am still in the warranty time. I wanna be prepared if Nanostray 2 comes out!

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:33 am

FrederikJurk wrote:maybe there really is something wrong with my Lite. It registers unidirectional presses without problems, but diagonals are just a matter of luck to be registered. I never got the chance to compare it to other ones, only to the classic DS.

My DS Lite has behaved exactly this way too, since day one. The classic DS seems to be built with better d-pad diagonals.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:14 am

Thunder Force wrote:
FrederikJurk wrote:maybe there really is something wrong with my Lite. It registers unidirectional presses without problems, but diagonals are just a matter of luck to be registered. I never got the chance to compare it to other ones, only to the classic DS.
My DS Lite has behaved exactly this way too, since day one. The classic DS seems to be built with better d-pad diagonals.

I thought the problem lies in the non-clicky d-pads, as opposed to the ones on the DS fat or GBA SP, but the one on my Micro is pretty much the same as on the Lite, but plays a lot better. Gah, whatever.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:42 am

FrederikJurk wrote:
Thunder Force wrote:
FrederikJurk wrote:maybe there really is something wrong with my Lite. It registers unidirectional presses without problems, but diagonals are just a matter of luck to be registered. I never got the chance to compare it to other ones, only to the classic DS.
My DS Lite has behaved exactly this way too, since day one. The classic DS seems to be built with better d-pad diagonals.
I thought the problem lies in the non-clicky d-pads, as opposed to the ones on the DS fat or GBA SP, but the one on my Micro is pretty much the same as on the Lite, but plays a lot better. Gah, whatever.

I got the same impression when I played my friend's Lite - I decided to keep my fat one.

roker · Post by **roker** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:50 am

I think it's safe to say that someday in the near future (2 or 3 years from now), we'll see Ketsui on Mame

I decided to spend the money on a nice macbook instead

there's so much more you can buy for the money

I could probably buy two cabs instead of the board

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:12 am

roker wrote: there's so much more you can buy for the money

no there isnt, you cant buy a car, you cant buy a house, you cant buy a mushimushi pork...

eight · Post by **eight** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:14 am

sven666 wrote:
roker wrote: there's so much more you can buy for the money

no there isnt, you cant buy a car, you cant buy a house, you cant buy a mushimushi pork...

Actually, you could buy a car for that money.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:30 pm

eight wrote: Actually, you could buy a car for that money.

Yeah, one that would help you get in shape.

I think it's safe to say that someday in the near future (2 or 3 years from now), we'll see Ketsui on Mame

I'd lay down money it's 5+. The roms aren't even unencrypted yet... w/o that, they can't even work on the driver other than based on system specs.

roker · Post by **roker** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:06 pm

sven666 wrote:
roker wrote: there's so much more you can buy for the money

no there isnt, you cant buy a car, you cant buy a house, you cant buy a mushimushi pork...

I should have specified useful or practical

you could definitely put that money towards a down payment on a car or house, medical expenses, baby food and clothes, etc.

god forbid I suggest to someone NOT to live and breathe videogames

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:23 pm

umm my previous response was sarcastic..

i just dont see the point of some people always trying to fight the futile battle of telling people what they should do with their money.

if you can afford ketsui and want it, then buy it, if you rather want a macbook then buy that instead (it doesnt make you a wiser consumer).

if you dont have any clothes, got evicted, your cars empounded and you just broke your leg trying to steal food for your starving baby then i guess its time to reconcider such a purchase...

moonblood · Post by **moonblood** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:33 pm

also people trying to get ketsui closer to emulation will probably be killed by arika & cave ninjas unfortunately

roker · Post by **roker** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:56 pm

sven666 wrote:umm my previous response was sarcastic..

i just dont see the point of some people always trying to fight the futile battle of telling people what they should do with their money.

if you can afford ketsui and want it, then buy it, if you rather want a macbook then buy that instead (it doesnt make you a wiser consumer).

if you dont have any clothes, got evicted, your cars empounded and you just broke your leg trying to steal food for your starving baby then i guess its time to reconcider such a purchase...

yes

I detected the sarcasm

yes, spend your money as your heart is content

I like to think of forums as extended blogs

I was just stating that I'd rather not, but more power to you if you can buy it

I wouldn't have been able to play it had a friend of mine not bought it

fantastic game, really

fuck the house and cars, I'll live in a box if I can play the game at will

nuff' said.

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:06 am

According to C3, Mihara has confirmed that youtube video and first details should be revealed this Friday, if they can get everything done in time.

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:24 am

moonblood wrote:also people trying to get ketsui closer to emulation will probably be killed by arika & cave ninjas unfortunately

I doubt it. Ninjas aren't very effective when they're on crack. Speaking of crack, glad to see that a habit is mandatory to work in the japanese gaming industry if the Mihara DS news is any indication.

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