Can anyone help me with a parts list for a full cab?

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:11 pm

Let me explain - I'm an anime store owner in Rochester, NY (Hammergirl Anime), and we usually buy our in-store games in a plug-n-play manner (write a check for Initial D ver. 3, it shows up at the store, plug it in).

Our import games section has gotten popular, and we've got a big demand for import fighters - specifically the new Guilty Gear and Melty Blood.

Thing is, I'm really, really new at putting together a working cab, and I can't find any 'beginner' guides anywhere. You all seem super-knowledgeable in this area, so I'll ask you all:

What, completely, do I need to buy to get a Naomi GD-Rom fighter up and running?

I know it is a noob question, and I'm sorry. But I'm afraid I'll get the wrong parts. I know you need a cab, the game (+ IC), and the 'guts' of the system, but as to what the names of each of these are, I'm stuck.

What kind of cab should I get? What questions should I be asking about it?

Once I have a cab, what do I need to put in it? what connections do the controls / coins / monitor have on the inside? What do I need to buy to connect them to? Will these 'guts' just accept any disc + IC, and I'm good to go?

Thank you so much for any help you can give. I see people ordering a cab, a NAOMI cab (what's the difference?), etcetc, and I'm afraid I'll buy the wrong thing. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

D · Post by D » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:25 pm

Since you're from England, I'd suggest dropping a line at the forum of killercabs.com. There is alot of knowledge on this boards as well, but most here are from the US and on Killercabs, most are from England and it specializes in arcade cabinets.
The easiest thing you could do is get a Sega NAOMI cabinet offcourse.
they are offered on a regular basis on killercabs forum.
There are lots of routes you could take, but judging from your post I'd say stick with something straightforward.
All new fighters will work on a NAOMI cabinet.
Do realize that there are three things you need.
1 a cabinet to play on
2 a motherboard in which you can plug the game
3 the game itself
There are several systems (motherboards). The Naomi system is being phased out as we speak and newer system are taking over like Taito's type X and there is an older Atomiswave system as well. Both should just plug in a NAOMI cab. But check killercabs to be sure, they will sort you out. They are really nice folks as here as well.
Good luck.
http://www.killercabs.com/forum
http://www.sega-naomi.com/ (made by a killercabs member)
http://www.system16.com/ (about arcade games and hardware in particular)
http://www.klov.com (about all arcade games)

Post by **Dave_K.** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:57 pm

D it says he is from NY. Checking out killercabs and sega-naomi websites is still great advice.

McMasters, it sounds like you run a pretty cool store if you want to please your customers by buying a Sega Naomi GD setup for some fighters!

If money is no object (you are willing to pay for it), a "JVS" ready cab with high resolution monitor (VGA) is the best setup for Naomi games. This means either getting a Windy2, Atomiswave, Egret3, or Naomi Universal type cab. You can go for a regular "Jamma" cab (pretty much every arcade cabinet in the US is jamma) with a low resolution monitor, and still make it work with a Naomi but you will need a extra power supply and I/O converter board.

For example, this cab that just sold on ebay, would have been perfect for you (if it was local or allowed for shipping). http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-Naomi-Universa ... dZViewItem

Buying a cab with the Naomi GD already installed would be the easiest option for you if possible. Otherwise contact Matsu (from that first thread you responded to in the marketplace forum) for availability on one of the cabs I mentioned above. As for buying the Naomi seperately, again assuming you have a JVS cab, just order the GD setup with the game you want directly from one of the well known importeres (like excellentcom, Legend, Fujita, ...).

Note: there are many versions of Guilty Gear XX and at least two versions of Melty Blood. Again if cost is no object, get the B version of Melty Blood, and Acent Core version of Guilty Gear XX. The previous versions are MUCH cheaper, but have playability tweaks worked out in the latest. Hope this helped.

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:01 pm

Money isn't much of an object, we just don't want to get ripped off.

So, we get one of these cabs :Windy2, Atomiswave, Egret2, or Naomi Universal. Where do we buy them? Is there a retail area, or do you hunt down auctions? Any idea where to start, other than the neo-geo forum?

Also, let's say I get one of these cabinets. What else, specficially, would I need to buy? I can't find websites for Fujita or Legend (edit: www.fujitacommunications.com found one of two), and excellentcom doesn't seem to sell games - heh, it took me a while to figure out (from another board) that YHJ meant Yahoo! Japan.

Thank you SO MUCH, by the way, for taking the time to help!

D · Post by D » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:16 pm

I don't know how I thought you were from England, hehe...
Check out: http://www.coinopexpress.com/
I bet they're trustworthy right?
http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/m ... _only.html
If money is no object I recommend this:
http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/m ... _5628.html
Here's an official flyer for that machine: http://www.arcadeflyers.com/?page=flyer&id=4476&image=1
But a normal naomi is smaller and more convenient I guess.

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:33 pm

I've heard that coinopexpress is way overpriced, as those are the prices not including shipping.

Does ANYONE else retail cabs?

Dave K: "Buying a cab with the Naomi GD already installed would be the easiest option for you if possible" this entails hunting down an EBay auction, right? As a store, we already get games from a distro (Betson) - what would I ask them for to get what I want? As in, what words would I say? "I'm looking for any Naomi GD-Rom Standup cabinet game"? Standup is important - floorspace is everything.

(Also, most cabinets I see are four-button, and Melty is five. that's just plywood, right? I can drill in and drop a new button, right?)

Post by **Dave_K.** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:31 pm

I like Betson as a US distributor of american arcade games, but I don't believe they have Japanese cabinets (I'm guessing thats what you want). Just a warning, there is a US version of the Naomi Universal that is quite ugly looking. But if you want to go the trusted route, I'm sure they have them and full loaded with a Naomi GDROM setup.

Otherwise contact Matsu (in Southern California) for puchasing one of these importated japanese cabs (again ask for a JVS cab with high resolution monitor:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=13552
Matsu can also put a 2 player (6 buttons per player) panel on the cabinet.

I'd also suggest you ask for assistance on the sega-naomi forum, as there may be someone in your area that can help you get everything up and running/connected if you have to buy everything individually.

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:33 pm

So, Dave (thanks again, man!), I'm asking around on the s-n forum too, but since you are so helpful, I'll ask you:

Once I get one of these cabinets, what further stuff will I need? Also, should I want to switch between, say, GGXX and MB (the games), is the only switch the disc + IC?

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:26 pm

plenty of cabs on US ebay, good place to score a real find too.

no offence but i looove how most arcade newbies always assume that the easiest way to get a cab is to just build one yourself

its like building your own car, sure it can be done but you need experience.

anyways, besides a cab (preferably one with a high-res screen) you need a naomi mobo, GDrom unit, DIMM board and an I/O board.

depending on what cab you get you might need an extra powersupply with 3.3V for the GDrom drive aswell.

thats it

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:37 pm

None taken.

As long as we end up with a working machine at a reasonable price, we're happy.

you need a naomi mobo, GDrom unit, DIMM board and an I/O board.

depending on what cab you get you might need an extra powersupply with 3.3V for the GDrom drive aswell.

I take it all those things are easily available in the states? Also, the Atomiswave is hi-res, correct? In your opinion, a fighting game would look very nice on it? (we don't want a poor-looking machine, we'd like it to look professional)

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:39 pm

Oh, and I contacted matsu about the cabinets he has - I take it by the number of people who buy from here that his prices are good.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:43 pm

matsus prices are great.
obviously ive never dealt with him (wrong continent) but his rep is rock solid.

i have no idea how common a full NAOMI setup is in USA but you wont have any problems finding one from one of the many friendly asian retailers

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:56 pm

the many friendly asian retailers

who do you suggest?

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:00 pm

McMasters wrote:
the many friendly asian retailers
who do you suggest?

fujita are my faves..

but cosmicoo and excellent take paypal which is easier i guess, either way those 3 retailers are top notch, i never heard a bad word about either one and half the forum buys from them!

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:05 pm

what's cosmicoo's website? I checked google, and didn't find it. I'm such a nooob. -_-

I'm completely new to the sit-down arcade game idea - you can really get two people sitting nice and comfortable around them, wailing on each other in a fighting game?

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:10 pm

McMasters wrote:what's cosmicoo's website? I checked google, and didn't find it. I'm such a nooob. -_-

I'm completely new to the sit-down arcade game idea - you can really get two people sitting nice and comfortable around them, wailing on each other in a fighting game?

http://www.excellentcom.net
http://home.netvigator.com/~cosmicco

well, sitdown VS standup totally depends on personal tastes but regardless theres no problem playing 2 players on either one, especially not never models (the first SNK sitdowns from the 80s were kinda cramped).

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:27 pm

So, I need to know what I'm asking for.

We're getting, probably, an Atomis Wave sitdown - that's good for a fighter, correct? After this, if I were to, say, get this kit from coinopexpress:

http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/p ... _6860.html

or this kit

http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/p ... _6762.html

Would that kit + the cab I'm getting = playable game? What about this 3.3V power supply deal? Also, once I get one of these 'kits', all i need from now on for new games is GD disc + IC?

sorry for all the questions, but I want to get this right the first time.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:40 pm

McMasters wrote:So, I need to know what I'm asking for.

We're getting, probably, an Atomis Wave sitdown - that's good for a fighter, correct? After this, if I were to, say, get this kit from coinopexpress:

http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/p ... _6860.html

Would that kit + the cab I'm getting = playable game? What about this 3.3V power supply deal?

You'll have to request a 2 player 6 button panel for the Atomiswave cab as I believe it comes standard with 1 player panel. The cab should be JVS ready, but you'll have to confirm this with Matsu. Only other thing you might need are the JVS power cables for Naomi.

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:57 pm

Matsu says the atomiswave is NOT JVS - what additional hardware is needed, then?

Post by **Dave_K.** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:51 am

McMasters wrote:Matsu says the atomiswave is NOT JVS - what additional hardware is needed, then?

Wow, I always thought the Atomiswave cabs were JVS ready. Well in that case you will need an additional 3.3v power supply, stereo sound amp, and JVS<->Jamma I/O converter. Unless Matsu has any other type of JVS ready cab?

McMasters · Post by **McMasters** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:25 am

The only hi-res one he has is the atomiswave, and he says..

the only hi-res cabinet that i have is Atomiswave, but i don't think this is JVScabinet.

Now, he's just not sure. anyone out there have an atomiswave? Is it JVS?

Also, why so many extra parts for a non-JVS? Doesn't that capcom I/O board fix everything?

Post by **Dave_K.** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:15 am

McMasters wrote: Also, why so many extra parts for a non-JVS? Doesn't that capcom I/O board fix everything?

No, thats only used on a Naomi+Cart setup, not GDROM. Mobo+GDROM requires more power, so you need a seperate 3.3v supply. In the pic I sent you, thats all the parts you need to run a grdom on a jamma cab.