About amputations.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:29 am

Sorry I opened such a can of worms, mods.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:53 am

What if "god" made you hella fat and "gave" you a face that kills pigeons? Remember, technically you could say that "god" gave man the knowledge to come up with plastic surgery and liposuction....

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:07 am

"What if "god" made you hella fat and "gave" you a face that kills pigeons? Remember, technically you could say that "god" gave man the knowledge to come up with plastic surgery and liposuction...."

First of all it is PEOPLE, by and large, who make themselves fat. I know because even though I am now around 190, I used to weigh 323 pounds-and I certainly wasn't "born that way". I did it to myself and I knew I did.

Secondly, just because God has given man the gift of science, it doesn't mean He approves of every way that it's used. Do you think He approves of uneccessary surgeries demanded and perfomed by a society that's completely over-obsessed with externals??

And I will fall to my knees and thank God if, when I am 60 years old, the worst health issue I have in my life is gray hair. 'Nuff said.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:59 am

word up Dave. 323 to 190 is great. I went from about 255 to as low as 180. That was a bit too skinny as I'm 6'3". I'm about 190-195 now. God didn't make me fat either... I ate everything in sight. My football coach sure did encourage me though.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:04 am

dave4shmups wrote:"What if "god" made you hella fat and "gave" you a face that kills pigeons? Remember, technically you could say that "god" gave man the knowledge to come up with plastic surgery and liposuction...."

First of all it is PEOPLE, by and large, who make themselves fat. I know because even though I am now around 190, I used to weigh 323 pounds-and I certainly wasn't "born that way". I did it to myself and I knew I did.

Secondly, just because God has given man the gift of science, it doesn't mean He approves of every way that it's used. Do you think He approves of uneccessary surgeries demanded and perfomed by a society that's completely over-obsessed with externals??

And I will fall to my knees and thank God if, when I am 60 years old, the worst health issue I have in my life is gray hair. 'Nuff said.

Did you purposely lose weight? If so, it sounds like you're playing with "god's" plan. Really, all of this is in the eye of the beholder. "God" "made" me into a bad runner. I worked at it and improved myself. Someone who's into plastic surgery can say that rather than put in their work at the gym, they were too busy working a job to put food on the table so why can't they enjoy some bodily improvements?

I think "god" would understand if someone wanted plastic surgery bad enough. Normally I look down on that stuff and say "go to the gym you fat bastard" or "live with it" to some people unfortunate enough to be termed "ugly" by our society. However, I also understand that it's very easy to judge people when you're looking in from the outside.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:39 am

How on earth did this discussion move from severed members to theology?

Dave> That's awesome man! Since I've moved to New England, what with all the Dunkin Donuts around its been easy to put on a few extra pounds so I keep coming up with plans for the summer about how to work them off...

Thunderfoce> Speaking of God, let's thank God. Yes, I'm sure if anyone really wants to see the severed penis, someone can PM them the link. Here's one approving nod for keeping pictures of mutilated body parts off the focum (unless of course it is part of a shmup!)

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:03 am

or you curious foo's could be like me and just use Google <mod edit -TF>

I found some interesting pictures.

Andi · Post by **Andi** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:20 am

MOD EDIT: stop trolling this subject Andi, there are forums out there for you if you don't like this one. -TF

IlMrm · Post by **IlMrm** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:37 am

In a couple of CPR classes I took we were shown some pretty grostesque photos. There were photos of a pit bull attack and a grizzly bear attack. Very scary, on the level as the video of a woman giving birth.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:24 am

For the record, I don't have the link, so don't ask for it.

All of you who still are (against all logic IMHO) wanting to see it, please hold your willie in your hand and take a good look at it next time you take a shower. Now, imagine you use a scalpel to separate the glans as if you were slicing pepperoni. Slow. Left and right, and deeper each time. You see the ligaments give way. Some pink stuff here. Some red stuff there. Whoa.. what is that soggy yellowy thing? I didn't know I had that. 3/4 of the way there now. Hold it so it doesn't hang, we want a clean cut there. So that tube is my urethra! That's where the pee comes through. Ok. Now let's just cut the base over here... like this... ah ha! (Now let's show it to the camera as if holding a camera's lens cover, or a cherry cut in half). Congrats. This is what your glans looks when separated from your penis. And there is no way in hell you can have it reattached without major surgery, and it WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN as when you had it there. You will not grow another. Your penis is going to shrivel, scar, and close the wound to the best of your body's healing ability. You will not be able to experience sexual pleasure whatsoever. You will not be able to pee again the way nature (Let alone God) intended. And the images of that atrocious act will forever haunt you.

TF, if you feel appropriate to edit this post due to the content, do it. But please guys, let's not keep posting in a way that it has to be locked.

Think about how low this person had to fall so as to overcome his most basic instincts, and deny his humanity. You do not want to see this. And I assure you, the most seasoned of medical practicioners will feel at least one bit of a chill when seeing of the horrifying act that this moron pulled off. Not because of what he did, since amputations happen everyday. But because no sane human being amputates an irreplaceable part of the sacred temple that is his body just for fun. This is the horror that can only be seen in the darkest pits of Nazi hell.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:28 pm

chtimi wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:You think he was really on drugs? I've done tons and never gotten close to doing anything to harm myself.
but maybe he was on datura, people on datura have a tendency to have bad shit happen to them.
winners don't use datura

I want to get a sitter and try datura. Sounds pretty crazy.... anywho, this reminds me of a story I read on anova about a German kid that cut off his penis while under the influence of angel's trumpets.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:47 pm

I think Andi and a lot of you other guys should try to lay off TF. He's doing a great job turning the moderation around on this site. Before the crash we had a certain dork screaming "I AM THE FORUM" at every turn. After the crash it seems everything has gotten more mellow and that kind of stuff has been outlawed. Basically this place could be whole lot worse because....IT USED TO BE WORSE.

Shmups is really an enthusiast forum not an everything/nothing forum where gross pics are shown all the time. If you really want to see them, google them or bug one of your real life friends(you'd be surprised how many "normal" people actually collect this stuff on their hard drives). Trust me, they'll probably oblige and then you'll be sorry because they'll choose to inundate your email box with every one of their new "finds."

FRO · Post by **FRO** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:51 pm

chtimi wrote:winners don't use datura

Winners don't use drugs. That's the screen on many US arcade games from the late 80's/early 90's. I agree 100%.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:35 pm

You know, I'm not anti-drug, but I know so many drug casualties; guys who couldn't straighten out their lives enough to keep their jobs or actually explore all the creatiive ideas they had. I honestly think more of the creative types are likely to do drugs, especially when achieving their ideas/ideals seems so far away--but more often than not, the whole drug trip saps away all their ambition. It is just easier to buy more drugs.

To our younger users here, I don't want to say 'don't do drugs', but rather, be extremely cautious and careful since you can quickly find that the drugs have taken over your life (haha, I sound like a public service message...)

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:06 am

CMoon wrote:You know, I'm not anti-drug, but I know so many drug casualties; guys who couldn't straighten out their lives enough to keep their jobs or actually explore all the creatiive ideas they had. I honestly think more of the creative types are likely to do drugs, especially when achieving their ideas/ideals seems so far away--but more often than not, the whole drug trip saps away all their ambition. It is just easier to buy more drugs.

To our younger users here, I don't want to say 'don't do drugs', but rather, be extremely cautious and careful since you can quickly find that the drugs have taken over your life (haha, I sound like a public service message...)

That's the key part, controlling yourself and being responsible. i've done enough drugs to kill several bull elephants and my life is going fine. I have a BA and I start in a PhD program in fall.

I wouldn't say "more often than not". According to government use statistics (the accuracy of which could be debated) the vast majority of drug users (including hard drugs like cocaine and heroin) are not addicts and if they have had a problem, they managed to kick it. Unfortunately, with the way drug use is treated, you only see drug casualties, nearly never former users who are now "normal".

I agree with you though. Caution is the best route if you're going to use.

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:57 am

Acid King wrote: I want to get a sitter and try datura. Sounds pretty crazy.... anywho, this reminds me of a story I read on anova about a German kid that cut off his penis while under the influence of angel's trumpets.

angel's trumpet=datura, dude (and that's the story i was reffering to). you should not try it even with a sitter, go look up the horror trips on erowid.
i'm not anti-drugs by any means, but this particular plant is the devil. it will not make you hallucinate, it will make you insane and half-blind for anything between 12 and 48 hours. also you can't control the amount you take since the concentration varies wildly between plants and plant parts. (and this data is from erowid, not from some official war on drugs propaganda)
you might have sequels even from a one-time use. not worth it.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:08 pm

chtimi wrote:
Acid King wrote: I want to get a sitter and try datura. Sounds pretty crazy.... anywho, this reminds me of a story I read on anova about a German kid that cut off his penis while under the influence of angel's trumpets.
angel's trumpet=datura, dude (and that's the story i was reffering to). you should not try it even with a sitter, go look up the horror trips on erowid.
i'm not anti-drugs by any means, but this particular plant is the devil. it will not make you hallucinate, it will make you insane and half-blind for anything between 12 and 48 hours. also you can't control the amount you take since the concentration varies wildly between plants and plant parts. (and this data is from erowid, not from some official war on drugs propaganda)
you might have sequels even from a one-time use. not worth it.

I read the horror stories on angels trumpets and the horror stories on datura. I thought they were different plants, I figured the angels trumpets were along the lines of belladonna and datura something else, but it looks like they're all in the same family of plant.

Strychnine · Post by **Strychnine** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:51 pm

Thunder Force wrote:
Strychnine wrote:if someone PRE-WARNS someone whats after the link - its okay?
No

Strychnine wrote:I mean, life sucks, life is brutal, and most certainly weird - but hey, its real. If you're offended by real life, that's gonna be tough.
That's the way it is. No linking to severed penis photos in the forum.

Fair enough TF. I would not post links to such pictures, I guess I was more concerned about the ideas that people harbor. I understand that most people think that severed penises aren't funny. But I think my point became occluded in philosophy.

Regarding datura, from what you're describing it sounds like similar to taking too much dramamine. OR ROBO-TRIPPIN'.

Where you don't really "hallucinate" so much as "can't distinguish reality from hallucination and you're so fubar its not even funny". I'd stay away from those as well. There are a lot more safer, more fun drugs out there. Drugs aren't bad, its people who abuse them. Drugs can be used responsibly, even if they are generally abused.

Post by **system11** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:06 pm

Strychnine wrote:Drugs aren't bad, its people who abuse them. Drugs can be used responsibly, even if they are generally abused.

Do you have any social conscience, whatsoever? It's almost as hilarious as the gun lobby argument.

Seriously - the bozo-alarm has been ringing loudly ever since this thread started, and it's only getting louder.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:20 pm

bloodflowers wrote:
Strychnine wrote:Drugs aren't bad, its people who abuse them. Drugs can be used responsibly, even if they are generally abused.
Do you have any social conscience, whatsoever? It's almost as hilarious as the gun lobby argument.

I guess it's considered having a "social conscience" when you throw hundreds of thousands of people in jail for doing things that harm no one but themselves (unless they're being irresponsible, in which case you punish them for being irresponsible like drunk drivers), cause numerous social problems with the way the laws are unfairly implemented (a gram of crack and a gram of powder cocaine yield different sentences, the majority of enforcement is concentrated in poor, urban areas filled with minorities which results in minorities, who represent... the minority of drug users, being disproportionately arrested), and to prefer a black market that pumps billions of dollars in to criminal and terrorist activities (FARC in Colmbia, the Shining Path in Peru, various arab groups in Afghanistan, not to mention gangs in cities in the west) over allowing people to legally and safely use drugs.

Edit: I've spent a lot of time studying the drug war and drug use in the US. The above is relative to the US, not necessarily Europe. Though, support for illegal markets is true of drug prohibition everywhere and enforcement concentration in poor urban areas is pretty likely as well.

Post by **system11** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:10 pm

You can whine about the injustices all you like.

Fact: drugs affect different people to different degrees.
Fact: they screw up -some- peoples lives, this has a knock-on effect. Daddy gets hooked on heroine and loses his job, now the family needs welfare.
Fact: they actually kill some people, Ecstacy did this.
Fact: some drugs finance other crime
Fact: drug addiction can lead to crime (stealing for the habit, i KNOW people who went down that path)

Given the above statements, it's only logical that:

Fact: they're illegal - yes there are some injustices, shit happens.

I'm so sick and tired of the pro drug takers bitching and whining that it's just not funny anymore. Take them if you like, hell, OD if you want - I don't give a damn, but don't for a second think it's ok to push the viewpoint that they're fun and mostly harmless, on a forum with a readership where many aren't even legal adults.

This was my point, about having a social conscience. If you want to discuss how happy and great your new LSD is, there are other forums for that - you're probably already members.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:48 pm

I agree bloodflowers but you don't go far enough. While we're at it I'm sick and tired of you pro-beer, pro-sex, and pro-god people.

All these things are dangerous and can be subject to extreme abuse. Let's face it, the young readership of this site just cannot be trusted to use these things in moderation. I'm even tempted to ask Dave to edit his posts because they could cause our young readership to fall into financial ruin as adults!

FACT: ALCOHOL HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY DRUNK DRIVING FATALITY

FACT: SEX IS THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF STDs

FACT: GOD IS CITED AS THE NUMBER ONE REASON FOR COMMITING SUICIDE BOMBINGS

FACT: NOT MANAGING YOUR CREDIT CARDS CAN LEAD TO FINANCIAL RUIN

I've got a pitchfork in the garage, now who's got the torches??

greg · Post by **greg** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:48 pm

Uh oh.. a drug debate has sprung from this amputation thread. Specineff, this is all YOUR fault!

Really, I have one good reason not to do drugs: I want a job that pays more than minimum wage. I'd think that this would be a real no-brainer, but this is lost on some people.

Anyone who compares cocaine to beer needs to have his head checked. That's just absurd.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:53 pm

greg wrote:Uh oh.. a drug debate has sprung from this amputation thread. Specineff, this is all YOUR fault!

Really, I have one good reason not to do drugs: I want a job that pays more than minimum wage. I'd think that this would be a real no-brainer, but this is lost on some people.

Anyone who compares cocaine to beer needs to have his head checked. That's just absurd.

Really cocaine is bad for you. I'm just making fun of the school marm approach that bloodflowers has in some of his posts. "I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG! DRUGS AND THE GUN LOBBY, MURDER PORN, BLAH BLAH BLAH." I find myself nodding in agreement right before he goes over the edge which I'm sure just has to be a joke.

Post by **system11** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:31 am

As I say n00b, they piss me off.

The pro drugs people are totally unable to just keep it to themselves. There's always a cleverly (or not so) disguised name, or a sig file, or avatar and so on. There's always this irritatingly smug 'I'm better than you, because I'm "open minded"' attitude thing going on, or from some of them the "hey aren't I cool" vibe. Of course, this is just the vocal ones. What people wish to do in their own time is their own problem, it doesn't need waving in everyone faces all the time.

As someone who has seen various friends self destruct (none dead thankfully, just fucked up and/or now constantly in trouble with the police), I feel particularly strongly on the issue.

So, when I read the shmups forum, and I see people making ridiclous claims amounting to them being harmless, good, or fun, I want to take those people, and force feed them enough drugs that their brain bleeds out of their nose.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:25 am

[Astro]Rorry, George, eh, Greg!! [/Astro]

Again I apologize for opening such a can of worms.

Now.. I have tried really hard to avoid adding more fuel to the fire.

If you noticed, I never started talking against drugs in the initial post. However, I myself cannot stand that "Drugs only hurt those who use them" anymore.

Let's take my father for example. (Alcohol is not a forbidden substance, but it affects the brain too, and it is addicting, just like drugs, so allow me.) All the pictures he had from High School showed him in taverns, cantinas, and bars all over Mexico city. He started drinking quite young.

When I returned to Mexico City with my mom after living in Hermosillo, Mexico (Close to Az) after she had fled from him because she couldn't stand his drinking back in 1980, I was only 4 and a half years old. I didn't know who he was because by the time I was able to remember stuff I wasn't with him. Guess what was the first time I saw him? Yes. Drunk. Passed out. In the street. Like a dog.

He crashed the car twice. Mom had to take two jobs, and so did he to pay off all their debts. I was left alone, or in the home of a certain Ms. Eve who had a mentally-challenged son, Pedro. Who liked to pick on me, the fucktard, because he thought I was going to steal his toys. He was 20 at the time. (If you are reading this Pedro, I swear that I will burn you alive. For real)

Arguments. Threats of divorce. Mom waking me up in the middle of the night to take me to sleep at one of her friend's house because she was fleeing from my father again.

Forward to the early 90's. Dad missing entire weeks from work. Calling me just as the buzz had hit him to yell in my face that I was nothing but a fucking son of a bitch who deserved to be GIVEN AWAY to the army. (And my mom's possessive atittude didn't help things either). He sold my bycicle to get booze one day. He sold one of the very first TV's ever made in the world, given as a heirloom from his great great aunt. For about 12 bucks back then. Working.

He stopped going to school for his masters degree. He flunked. He lost his job as assistant teacher. Left the house for days. Didn't hear anything from him often. We were even getting used to it. He stole my allowance from the deposit box I had in order to get booze.

When he couldn't get booze, he resorted to rubbing alcohol. For real. No wonder why the people in the grocery store gave me weird looks when I went there. Of course they didn't say a thing. He made a fool of himself and shamed me in front of all the neighbors in the area since he was often seen "dodging" telephone poles on his way home. Getting arrested for indecency and forced to eat prison food for three days wasn't enough for him. His last binge lasted three months. Three continous months drunk. I saw it.

Mom and him had another argument, and he walked out of the house. That's the last time I saw him, ever. We found out later that he died in the street, from cardiac arrest. Like a dog. The autopsy revealed that his heart had grown to keep up from the demand for blood flow from the rest of his body. Because of his drinking. They found alcohol in his blood. A lot. Since his body had remained two weeks in the morgue, unidentified and unclaimed, it got raided for anything useful. According to my uncle Raphael, my father's body had no eyeballs, scalp, liver, or pancreas.

The funeral was torture. My father's family placed all the blame on my mother. Of course. They are a bunch of drunks too. The only difference is that they know when to stop their binges, and their wives don't flee from them like my mother did. We buried him on June 17. Just before Father's day.

Pardon me for getting so preachy. Don't worry. No sympathy is needed, though I thank anyone who feels it. I'm over it mostly, I'm a grown man, and have a future to look to. Of course I have issues and resentment against both my parents because I didn't have a solid male figure to look up to, and that he wasn't man enough to step up to my mother when she had one of her "Righteous Bitching" fits, or when her only solution the problems was fleeing from him. I broke the family curse, and that's what makes me happy. I'm the first born of the firstborn, of the firstborn of my great-grandfather who was the firstborn son in his family. All of them alcoholics. It ended with me.

And all the exact same excuses to justify his addiction word by word, in the exact same way just in spanish are just what I hear now a days from other addicts.

God didn't put the alcohol in his hands. Nor he was going to stop him with a bolt of lightning from entering a tavern or liquor store. God had to respect my father's free will, just the way he does with those maniacs who blow themselves in his name. (Yeah right). It's not God's fault or cause.

He hurt us. He made us very unhappy. He made us lack some things in life, though thankfully we were never really poor. He died like a dog. In the street. I miss him all right. There are times I wish I could tell him I'm sorry for not being the son he expected. It hurts somewhat all right.

I'm going to get on my soapbox now. I'm sorry, but all those years are proof to me that addicting substances do harm the immediate family of those who use them. Dare to face the truth, look at Penis-boy and my father as an example. I assure you, they also said that they were in control, and that they'd never end up like those idiots who do stupid stuff while intoxicated. Ironic, huh?

It's sad, but you need to get hurt by an addict in your family or friends circle to realize that substance abuse hurts other than those who use them. And let me assure you, I still am trying to find the fun in my father's addiction.

I don't look down on those of you who like to use substances, legal or otherwise. I am no one to judge. Just don't blind yourselves with sweet lies, and dare to face yourself and the truth.

Again, I apologize for getting so preachy. Thank you for listening to my say, and don't feel like I'm trying to force my point of view on you. It's not like I can twist your arm to do so, anyway.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:00 am

That was a huge ass post.

Wasn't marijuana legal in Canada for one glorious summer?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:10 am

Do you have any social conscience, whatsoever? It's almost as hilarious as the gun lobby argument.

What does social conscience have to do with it? People that want to put chemicals in their own body... who fucking cares? Smoking a J, even taking some stimulants on occasion really has no worse (often fewer) effects than alcohol. It just so happens that alochol is legal... and kills way more people a year than any illegal drug.

but don't for a second think it's ok to push the viewpoint that they're fun and mostly harmless, on a forum with a readership where many aren't even legal adults.

I hate to break it to you, but they are very fun, and mostly harmless. Do some people fuck their lives up from it? Do some people die? Yeah, but those are not the norm. They are very much the exception, and basically all you hear about from the religious right and other people that generally have no clue. I'm sorry if you have friends that fucked their lives up, but the drugs just helped them down a path they would've most likely found anyway.

I'm not a drug user, but I still think the laws and myths associated with them (mostly coming from people who have never touched them, are absolute horse shit. As stated before, ANYTHING can drive a person over the edge. God (which I hate to say b/c I am religious), Alcohol, etc. etc.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:18 am

What does the gun lobby have to do with all this again?

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:20 am

Good post Spec...

9th-11th grade I smoked pot at least once a day...Even when I was not high it made me really lazy. I failed a few classes...didn't care about anything. I would be going to a better college if it wasn't for that. Like Bloodflowers said, drugs effect people differently, maybe you guys could handle it.